Returning to FFXIV, torn between BRD, SMN or sticking to my old SCH

Hello again FFXIV's community !

First of all I'd like to apologize for any mistake in english. I'm writing this post as ideas come to my mind.


I've left FF 14 a few months ago (around 3.2 or so). And I got back to wow as a healer in mythic raid (mistweaver monk lover).
But with the Uni', relationship and so on, I decided that it was more reasonable to play a bit less, and I was afraid I couldn't have that fun in WoW.
I know I'd have a greater time chilling in Eorzea ;)


But now that I have returned in my ex CL (and some IRL friends in it), they have a hell lot of healers.

I've only played SCH so far and always been excellent with it (because I only knew how to handle the fights with it, so managing cooldowns and the pet wasn't a big deal with macros).

But after doing some Mythic Raids in WoW, I had a look at savage runs of Alexander and found the fights a lot more dynamic and stressful than the normal ones (and I loved this feeling).
But two things are bothering me a little :
- I don't feel like i'd enjoy always dps and spend more time dps than healing in most fights. (Well it isn't entirely true because on most AS fights, healers dps essentially the first 3 mins and then almost only heal from what I have seen)
- On Zodiark there are so much WHM than healers spots are often taken.


That is why I'm eventually thinking of switching to dps.
Because I know that rotations and priority systems in FF XIV are complex and I definitely love challenging classes.

I ended up watching some logs, and being torn between :
- SMN (which seem to be godlike in AoE and still one of the strongest in single target). But I put all my points in spirit :(
- BRD (VERY GOOD bards seem pretty rare and I think that this class has a very good potential)

-> I tried MCH because people told me it was hard to play and I wanted to play this "unpopular class", but I did not like this RNG system.
-> I saw that BLM has probably one of the most complex rotation, but i didn't feel like becoming a turret ^^


If anyone could confirm, and dissipate any of my doubts on healers (at a higher level), or help me choose a dps class, I'd be really happy !


Have a good day Eorzea !

Nb : didn't know if I had to post this in DPS or healers section...

Hmm since the last stat weight update both smn and brd common builds are about hitting hard (1st sub stat crit) and being fast (2nd sub stat sps/sks). i guess your right at least on Zodiark i haven't seen good Brds for a while. and heading for their full potential is kinda of deleting the whole playstyle you are used to until 52 out of your mind. same thing for smns your playstyle will change with DW trance mode from doting to raw burst dmg. so both cls will end up in very different playstyle as you are starting them with. if you are already used in micromanaging a pet i would give it a try as smn. after all smn is my main cls im currently building up my brd as well ;p

looking for a challenge you might get in touch with the Mnk... remember the "hitting fast and strong" thing? Mnks are the reincarnation of "DMG"... their utility skills, stat-weight, gear and base points are heading for just one goal: 35% crits in longtermfights - which currently is the maximum crits can push your dps for. Their rotations need a lot of practice cause of their different stances and positioning but if you manage them you will be always on top of any other dps cls.

You can buy a certain somthing at your Grand company to reset all points and can switch from 35 MND to 35 INT. Doesn't cost too many seals either.

And how is the BRD rotation in term of complexity ?
If becoming a great BRD is challenging, I think I'll definitely give it a try :)

BRD doesn't have a real rotation, it's more of a priority system. Starting with your opener that'll do massive damage and then you're basically down to heavy shots until you get stuff up again or have to reapply your dots via iron jaws or have to refresh your straight shot buff or straight shot proc'd. So yea you're basically using 3 GCD's.

yeah and you have to learn about other cls skills as well... for maximizing your song-utility. f.e. there was a change that Ifrit (and Titan) make magical dmg now... so they are buffed by Requiem... i doubt that much Brds are aware of that yet... aside from that yeah it's about priority... not about a constant rotation.

If it were me I'd probably try out SMN since it's "closer to home" from SCH. Then I'd give it a fair shake in the content I wanted to run, and after a while honestly ask myself if DPS is as fun, or even more fun, than healer. If you think healer is more fun, stick with it. Do noooooooot play a class you don't enjoy as much, it just ain't worth it.

That is why I tell you that I want to try things as a dps to see how much I like it.
SCH makes you think when you play, so I want to have the feeling I think when I play.

Maybe MCH is better in that point that BRD then ^^ (but I find BRD weapons so cool xD)

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Originally Posted by Edenael

Maybe MCH is better in that point that BRD then ^^ (but I find BRD weapons so cool xD)

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Then go BRD, you won't regret it :)

Pure DPS have nothing on their mind other than dps, dps dps.. While support roles like BRD, MCH and NIN have other things to worry about.

Pure dps will not give you manta even if they had it. They will not go out of their way to give you dragon kick or use skills to recover TP. Simply they will not do anything outside of their dps rotation unless asked to. While support roles must use their abilities whether asked to or not. Because if they failed to do so, they will simply get "It is your job, you should read the situation and know what to do without people telling you."

c'mon Yeol... this is just as subjective as your post in the other thread... all DPS got utility skills - you can't differ them to pure dps and support dps - you should differ them in experienced (everybody should use their utility skills somehow) or ignorant (not using them cause of what ever reason)

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Originally Posted by Neela

c'mon Yeol... this is just as subjective as your post in the other thread... all DPS got utility skills - you can't differ them to pure dps and support dps - you should differ them in experienced (everybody should use their utility skills somehow) or ignorant (not using them cause of what ever reason)

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I'll give you an example... What is worse running with MNK that is not using mantra or giving dragon kick V.S BRD not using any of his songs?
No one will care about the MNK as long as he is dpsing, while everyone will notice if BRD doesn't use his songs.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

I'll give you an example... What is worse running with MNK that is not using mantra or giving dragon kick V.S BRD not using any of his songs?
No one will care about the MNK as long as he is dpsing, while everyone will notice if BRD doesn't use his songs.

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i don't know how your static goes but we definitly use Mantra on EVERY run... so yeah you lose this argumentation.

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Originally Posted by Yeol

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If there is a MNK then there will always be dragon kick up since it's part of the DPS rotation. They will always use invigorate since it pushes their own DPS. And to be fair, most DPS can't do that much outside of their own DPS anyway besides those 1-2 utility skills and I can tell you right now, none of those are even needed or required in anything outside of savage and even in savage, especially in this tier, healers can just do it all on their own and still DPS most of the time.
First and foremost BRD MCH and NIN are DPS in the first place. You can support all you want, you still have to push your own DPS. You can't just slack off completely because you used Mages ballad. Don't make it sound like you don't have to do proper DPS.

You also seperate support DPS from Pure DPS, yet the only jobs that can actually give TP to others are the very supporter jobs you have listed. But you say pure DPS wont use tp recovery skills, which only the support DPS actually can do. Yea a Monk won't use Goad because it CAN'T. As for invigorate which is just a personal TP recovery, read above. If they starved TP then the fight is long, there is much to AoE or they fucked up and really didn't use or have invigorate in which case it's all on them but this is not considered utility. This is personal and if you don't have or use invigorate you absolutely should learn to because it's a requirement in playing your job properly.
Other than that it sounds to me like you really don't actually know the other jobs that much so you should stop spreading hate and misinformation on them.

Go SMN ^_^

Fun, engaging and brings out good dps.

@Cherub
I've never said we should not do proper dps because we fill a dps role after all. Good BRD/MCH will keep high numbers even with MP/TP penalty.
And yes at end game all jobs must use their utilities like you mentioned and they will try to time them depending on the fight whether it was AoE heavy or not.

I don't disagree with what you said but don't frame me with things I did not mention, that is not right.
And I am not spreading hate, I was talking about what you see in general during dungeons and not end game with your static.
During dungeons if NIN did not use goad or BRD not using song you will notice it. That is my point.

@Neela
When did I mention end game? /think

in dngs you doesn't need any kind of utility to get through at all - especially regarding brds you could be happy if anyone plays a requiem on one or another boss, but ballad or tp songs in casual manners? never saw a random brd doing it without directly being asked for it – c'mon... you are just trying to defend yourself in a strange way now...

@Neela
Believe in what you want, you have miss understood me. That is all what I am going to say ^^

I understand Yeol's point. We're waiting of the monk to full dps actually. He's not increasing anyone's dps or not much while bard really have a support role ( all his ballads).

And bout' the original post, if you're used to play sch, I'm afraid any of the other job will ask you as much as brain as SCH does. ( objectively, sch is, to me, the hardest job to play optimally in raids, not saying you gotta be a god to play it tho)
But yeah, bard's dps is pretty awesome since the buff ( do not listen peeps saying mch's dps is higher, in fact, when both are in the same party, brd should be above)

Smn is.... Perfect yeah, and very fun ( and very close from sch)

lol funny thing as a bard I'm asked to use mantra on ex fights right before huge group damage, bards never sleep.

I'd go with smn - many people didn't like bard changes, I think mch edges them out at this point in time, and while sch is in a great spot right now... it's already been targeted for the nerf bat in 4.0 - any healer that isn't ast is not something I'd pick right now because SE is all about handing ast anything they want right now.

Go with SMN they will be adding egi glamour next patch and when the new expansion comes out depending on the changes they make to the combat system monk might be a worthy contender to switch over too.