Revamp the armoire, which everyone has access to after a certain level. Instead of the current tabs of achievement, seasonal, etc., tabs would be by equipment (heads, arms, earrings etc.) and every piece of clothing will be stored there in list form and arranged via ilevel. Ideally it would have been also divided by class/job but that would be pushing it.
This way the current system won't be disrupted too much i would think.
The simplest solution to the glamour issue
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11-06-2016, 08:17 PMmaxxvoltage4The simplest solution to the glamour issue
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11-07-2016, 03:58 AMCinno
I've thought about this too. Allowing armor and weapons to be stored in the armoire, and when you attempt to cast a glamour on something, it pulls the list from items in your armoire instead of your inventory/armory chest.
It'd solve the problem, but since it would lose them money from extra retainer sales, dont count on it. :3 (Or any real solution to the inventory issue.) -
11-07-2016, 05:05 AMMyvar
It also would not address the issue of having different glamours for different Jobs that share the same gear, e.g. healers.
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11-07-2016, 05:06 AMFoxyAreku
There isn't a glamour/inventory issue. Just don't hoard everything you get, I'm a glamour addict and even I don't believe anyone needs 50 different kinds of shoes/gloves...
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11-07-2016, 05:13 AMCanadane
I'm with Foxy here. There's no issue unless you go out of your way to make one.
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11-07-2016, 05:23 AMFaileExperiment
The glamour system is pretty poor in this game. Ideally, glamour should actually work similarly to gear set feature. Creating and editing your glamour sets pulls from a catalog of all the items you've ever had bound to you, not your inventory. You could then equip this glamour set just as you do a gear set. That way, your glamour would apply to any armor you have on even when you switch it, because it's actually applying to the slot, not the gear itself. Creating and modifying glamour sets would also not require any kind of consumable nor have level restrictions, only the typical class/job restrictions. You would even have the option of tying a glamour set to a gear set, so they switch together automatically.
If for some reason you did want to include some kind of consumable use, I would make it where you need to use a consumable to add the gear to the glamour catalog, but not for making/editing glamour sets. I think consumables are lame to begin with, but there are strangely those who live and die by them.
This system solves most of the current issues people have, like inventory space, general ease of use, and glamours that force you to apply them to different jobs other than the ones you actually want. It's already there too, in the form of gear sets, so aside from the glamour catalog, SE has all the pieces they need already. -
11-07-2016, 05:31 AMAlberelI think it's more a case of plenty of other MMOs on the market now are allowing players to store absolutely every piece of equipment they ever acquire in a wardrobe to be used whenever they like. WoW recently introduced an extensive wardrobe system that retro-actively took the appearances of every item your characters had ever owned in the past since release of the game. FFXIV is far behind the standard for the genre when it comes to cosmetics systems now. People are asking for this sort of thing because it is now a basic expectation. If MMOs want to put so much of an endgame focus on making yourself look good they need to give players the tools to facilitate it. A wardrobe system is essential to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
As it stands now, if a player wants just a single glamour set for each job that's 5-10 pieces (depending on if they bother with jewellery) x 12 jobs. You can double that if they glamour their crafting/gathering classes as well. The player has to keep hold of these glamour items permanently because every time they upgrade a piece of equipment they have to apply the glamour again. So for just 1 glamour set per class/job that's already a nearly full retainer. Now if a player wants to have alternate glamours for some jobs... well it adds up quickly.
For some players this is a BIG deal and the game doesn't facilitate that playstyle very well where other MMOs do. -
11-07-2016, 06:05 AMBlood-AkiWoW is over a decade old, and a dated game at that, FFXIV has only been out for 3 and a half years, Wow has had plenty of time to work out the kinks, and since it isn't nearly as graphically pleasing as FFXIV it might be much easier for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
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11-07-2016, 06:28 AMFaileExperiment
You could just as easily say that FFXIV has had that time as well. By releasing after WoW, and having had WoW's example all those years, there's no excuse not to do everything they did but better. A glamour catalog type system was asked for during 1.0. They've had more than enough time to implement something. Maybe they didn't have the resources or money or time, but that shouldn't affect player expectations.
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11-07-2016, 06:49 AMShippuuWoW only just added their transmog catalog a few months ago. So arguably if ffxiv was copying stuff WoW did when they relaunched then it makes sense not to have a glamour catalog. There's a lot more to it than just "make the system".Quote:
Originally Posted by FaileExperiment
The OP says his idea is the "simplest" solution but it likely isn't. Without knowing exactly how their character and item data storage works and how much memory is needed per character to store it all one cannot comment on how easy or simple it would be. -
11-07-2016, 06:52 AMHeliantheaeThems fightin words.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
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11-07-2016, 07:58 AMAlberelUnfortunately that's not a valid argument. If a game on the market wants to remain competitive it has to compete with the market as it is today. You can't use excuses like "it took WoW over a decade to add that". FFXIV is not competing with the WoW of a decade ago. It's competing with the WoW that just launched an extensive and exhaustive cosmetics wardrobe feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blood-Aki
As for graphics, that has nothing to do with the issue. The problem is data storage in terms of keeping track of what glamours a player has acquired. It's also an invalid argument though. Given the number of MMOs that offer wardrobe features now it is clearly a solvable problem. We already have the exact feature in question as well: the armoire. It simply needs to be expanded to store everything, rather than a limited selection. -
11-07-2016, 08:16 AMZumi
A glamor book that logs the appearance of every ever piece of gear you have owned. Then you can go use the appearances in the book when you want to glamor your gear.
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11-07-2016, 11:15 AMHaelseMikiro
The only mandatory thing that SE has to do with a glamour log is that it has to be stored server side, similar to retainer inventories etc, that we actively request from the server. SE avoids doing rollbacks in FFXIV by backing up the character data for EVERY person logged into the game approx. every 15 seconds. Staying near that target time for character backups is one of the biggest challenges the devs face with doing things such as increasing our inventory and Armory spaces. Their hands are kinda being forced with 4.0 because the Armory itself is already on it's last leg fitting gearsets for 13 combat classes, 3 DoL and 8 DoH. And we'll be getting a minimum of 2 new main hand weapons. If you're carrying around a relic/anima for a job that you already have a better weapon for, you've probably already had to resort to moving something from your Armory into your inventory just to change gear. Having a maxed job (ie WHM) while having a job with shared gear in the leveling process(ie 35 AST) causes huge pains with your Ring inventory also, as you now need to carry 4 healing rings.
Even if we ignore examples such as WoW, games like DC Universe have offered one of the finest examples of such a system ever (you can open and adjust your glamours ANYWHERE, auto saves every equip ever equipped I believe) and they've been doing that on a F2P model for years before WoW started theirs.
I'm sure we'll get one eventually. SE used to tell us that cash shop proceeds were directly funding the EU datacenter. It's time for a new goal I believe. -
11-07-2016, 11:31 AMEulI am that person... I made like 7 Coeurl beach brief with different metallic dye so I don't need to buy the dye again...Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
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11-07-2016, 01:25 PMAtoliYou are obviously not addicted enough then :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
The details make a good outfit. Everyone can throw on a nice-looking body piece with whatever other gear they have lying around.
What seperates the glamour enthusiast from the casual is the dedication of having every single piece of an outfit in perfect harmony.
So yes, there is a big issue here that need to be solved, and that is the total lack of an adequate way to store glamour.
Which, btw, is a basic staple of pretty much all modern MMOs which makes it that much worse that SE doesn't have even an remote fix for that.. -
11-07-2016, 02:51 PMNezeriusYea, let me just toss all these CT/ST/WoD sets that I like, I'm sure it won't take a large amount of time and RNG to get those back. Those expensive replica armours and weapons? Guess I can toss those too, after glamouring them once, who cares about the amount of gil that has cost to obtain them, right? These allied seal sets that I've collected? Might as well toss those too, because it only takes ages to farm up enough allied seals anyway!Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
/sarcasm
You're either not a glamour addict, or you're already running with more than two retainers. The latter would just prove the point that there's an issue.
Besides, Yoshi-P already acknowledged the inventory issue, so it's kinda silly to say there's no issue. -
11-08-2016, 12:36 AMLineageRazor
While space IS a problem, I think a more serious problem is the fact that glamour is tied to gear, rather than to job. I don't WANT my DRK to have the same look as my PLD, or my MCH to look like my BRD.
Space issues are manageable, even now. The shared gear option, though, is not - not unless you're willing to undergear one of your jobs for the sake of having a different look... -
11-08-2016, 01:58 AMLunaFayeI got all of them and even have 5 alts, so I have a total of 6 characters + maxed out retainers, and still no space... Glamour/Crafting mats take up so much space it isn't even fun anymore and you're absolute right, I do not need 50 pair or shoes or gloves, however just like IRL it's nice to have 2 closets full of shoes just in case I do NEED them one day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nezerius
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11-08-2016, 02:13 AMCelef
Regaring the armoir, I still don't understan,d why you can store the lvl45 job stuff and not the 50....they should fix that before trying to add other things in it ^^"
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11-08-2016, 02:26 AMDukeGr
4.0 main features :
1. Glamour Wardrobe
2. Expanded Storage
3. Expanded Inventory
4. Crafting Storage
5. Cloud Cross Platform Interface Saves
6. Ability to Glamour items with different appearances based on job
I can only hope... -
11-08-2016, 02:29 AMNaria
While what the OP is asking for would be ideal I'd at least like them to expand what the armoire can hold prior to Stormblood. Even if they would just allow you to store all froms of AF (Augmented af, i90, i200/210), the fanfest costumes, mogstation costumes, the wedding costumes and the butler/maid outfits it would be a great help at freeing up inventory. I am surprised that the promo/mog station items and the af sets haven't been added.