SpS on SMN anima?

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11-03-2016, 02:50 AM
Konungarike

SpS on SMN anima?

Working on the customizing step of my anima. I've put 120 points into Crit already, and am thinking of going heavy on the Spell Speed.

From what I've gathered, Det is preferred over SpS on the SMN anima, but only by a small margin..?

So I'm thinking of going heavy SpS for the quality of life. Having ever so slightly shorter casts will do wonders for how comfortable I am in instances. I also have no intention of touching current Ex/Savage content. I've only ever bothered with Ravana and Bismarck so far.

TL;DR Can I put upwards of 120 SpS on my SMN anima, keeping in mind I don't intend on doing hardcore raids?
11-03-2016, 06:48 AM
Jukebox12

would've have to much SpS even if your doing Hardcore raids. it better to go DeT
11-03-2016, 07:35 AM
Brindyr

You can check in this site https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/stat-weights/

The difference on DET and SS is not huge. I'm going into CRT and SS.

In my DTW rotation I can output 6 R3 a tridisaster, a R2 + Fester and then a Deathflare and in my opnion it is worth.
11-03-2016, 08:00 AM
Jukebox12

Fester ruin 2 Deathflare. gains a more of a boost with det then SS and i can get get 5 R3 a tridisater a R2 and fester before deathflare. A extra ruin 3 isn't worth the dmg
11-03-2016, 09:22 AM
Griffey

If you're not into savage then by all means go spell speed. As Brindyr already mentioned the difference in dps is marginal and SS has a lot of utility. Sometimes it means the difference between getting that spell off before the running away from aoe or taking a hit to the face, for example.
11-03-2016, 06:11 PM
Neela

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

A extra ruin 3 isn't worth the dmg

it absolutely is. smns should even use ruin III here and there out of trance while waiting for cds if your mp management is good. ss boosts dots as well and hardcasting ruin III, shadow flare or emergency res with low ss kinda sucks. but yeah since i saw the stat-weights changes im just waiting to see the whole ss vs. det discussion going to the next level ;3
11-04-2016, 08:47 AM
Konungarike

Thanks for the input everyone! I'll put SpS on it in good conscience then.
11-05-2016, 02:57 AM
Neophyte

SS is better. With current gear, which has many ss/acc and crit/det pieces (despite pants and one other 270 gear i think) you end up with enough DET anyway if you focus on crit maxing and acc cap.

With new AP weights I go for Crit/SS, melds included. Last raid tier most crit-gear was Crit/ss, so I'm used to it.
11-05-2016, 03:02 AM
Neophyte

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

Fester ruin 2 Deathflare. gains a more of a boost with det then SS and i can get get 5 R3 a tridisater a R2 and fester before deathflare. A extra ruin 3 isn't worth the dmg

You get 88 + 330 + 440 with that. 220 + 440 + 300 (if you can't get fester off within DWT) is better.
11-08-2016, 04:10 PM
Jukebox12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neophyte

You get 88 + 330 + 440 with that. 220 + 440 + 300 (if you can't get fester off within DWT) is better.

somehow your math is incorrect.
11-08-2016, 04:12 PM
Jukebox12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neela

it absolutely is. smns should even use ruin III here and there out of trance while waiting for cds if your mp management is good. ss boosts dots as well and hardcasting ruin III, shadow flare or emergency res with low ss kinda sucks. but yeah since i saw the stat-weights changes im just waiting to see the whole ss vs. det discussion going to the next level ;3

yeah but is it really needed alot of SS can become a hassle with mp management. please correct me if i am wrong but 1/3 dmg is you 1/3 dmg is DoTs and 1/3 dmg is pet. so is it really worth losing the Det that could increase your pet damage. I never said anything about out of DwT. Ruin 3 is awesome out of DwT but is it worth it if you cannot mp manage. Almost most of your hard hitting Attacks (doesn't include DoTs) are fester painflare deathflare Ruin 3 and Ruin 2 (ruin 2 is just there don't even try to deny Ruin 2)
11-08-2016, 04:24 PM
Jukebox12

oh that extra Ruin 3 only beats if deathflare doesn't Crit
11-08-2016, 04:34 PM
Jukebox12

just a quick quick whats the Spell speed needed to increase DoT dmg.
11-08-2016, 04:57 PM
Neophyte

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

somehow your math is incorrect.

You are in DWT with 2,5-3s left and 1-3 AF stacks available:

Ruin2 (88) + Fester (330) + Deathflare (440) + Ruin (80)
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Ruin3 (220) + Deathflare (440) + Ruin2 (80) + unbuffed Fester (300)

same MP cost, same ammount of GCDs, same ammount of used AF, 0.1-0.2s GCD loss because of clipping in Deathflare without instacast, but 112 more potency.
11-08-2016, 06:16 PM
Neela

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

oh that extra Ruin 3 only beats if deathflare doesn't Crit

...i just woke up so maybe i don't get it right but in which way does crit influence the skill before it?
there is no way that an extra ruin lll grands you dps loss... or did i miss something? o.O'

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

yeah but is it really needed alot of SS can become a hassle with mp management.

edit: you need around 750 ss for the extra spell and honestly it's not that hard to get your mp-management clear even with high ss...
currently (thx to my anima again) i have 1263 ss (round about) and as long as i have not to emergency res grp member multiply times
(which shouldn't happen that often) im totally fine with my manapool... i even can switch egis midfight for blazing shield and switching
back for raw dmg/dps checks while using con. so have you ever tried a build with 1k+ ss? honestly i doubt it...
11-08-2016, 09:46 PM
StouterTaru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

just a quick quick whats the Spell speed needed to increase DoT dmg.

It's in the neighborhood of 70 SS for 1% increase in DoT tick damage.