Why can I not see in game how adding X points of Critical Hit or Determination affects my damage or how adding X points of Skill Speed reduces my global cool down?
It could be as simple as hovering over the stat in question and a box pops up showing you what your critical hit% and crit damage% are.
Can We Please Get Some Transparency With Stats?
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10-30-2016, 05:20 AMDarrtCan We Please Get Some Transparency With Stats?
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10-30-2016, 06:05 AMLegion88yes...please...Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrt
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10-30-2016, 07:23 AMGokuhanThis depends on your target, otherwise our ever-rising iLv would just constantly keep raising your crit chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrt
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10-30-2016, 07:24 AMKitingGenbuSame reason why we don't have bonus stats or set bonuses. Starts with the letter "L."Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrt
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10-30-2016, 07:26 AMPaladinleedssomething something limitations! Please look forward to it!Quote:
Originally Posted by KitingGenbu
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10-30-2016, 07:50 AMDarrt
OK for now maybe but with 4.0 dropping PS3 support is that really an excuse anymore?
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10-30-2016, 07:51 AMSaccharinIt has nothing to do with L it's hand holding, the same reason we can't have a (legitimate) parser.Quote:
Originally Posted by KitingGenbu
They wanted the game to be like a 'safe space' for players so they made far too many restrictions for 'our well being'. -
10-30-2016, 07:57 AMErdrickLotoI mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccharin
Not flat-out giving critical hit rates, how much a given stat affects damage dealt, or how much speed affects the rate your turn comes up is pretty common even in single-player RPGs.
It has nothing to do with limitations or hand-holding. It's just a staple of the genre. -
10-30-2016, 08:25 AMSaccharinFF14 2.0 was literally made to be very like WoW and they have had detailed stats for a while. interestingly enough they've went with the coddling approach to st sheets for their latest expansion but with them you can download a third party addon to restore it. With the introduction of savage they clearly want the serious raider and part of that is optimising your stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErdrickLoto
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10-30-2016, 08:31 AMErdrickLoto...Get your relevant numbers as big as possible? That's worked for me so far, I don't know about you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Saccharin
Granted, I don't raid, but - especially here on the forums - there's plenty of places where you can see which stats each job prefers. If you really want to see how everything works out, you might have to dig a bit deeper, but it's still findable. It shouldn't be a problem at all. -
10-30-2016, 08:45 AMZojhaFor the most part: Yes. But which stat gives you the biggest benefit is a bit more difficult to determine. Accuracy is probably the worst offender here - it's the most important sub-stat up to a point, then completely useless - and it's ONLY relevant in raiding/EX content. And there are 3 different caps for it - and they differ for each boss. Transparency where?!.Quote:
Originally Posted by ErdrickLoto
It should be noted that simply knowing your crit or spell speed percentages isn't going to tell you how much the stat contributes to your DPS. So the suggestion of this thread wouldn't actually help that. It would show how pitiful parry scales, but that's about it. -
10-30-2016, 09:01 AMLulu89
Link here you go.. and use the BiS Solver, hit Show Weights (Stats) add what stat you want and see if it boots your stat damage.... done.. moving on.
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10-30-2016, 11:57 AMRoth_TrailfinderIn the case of Accuracy, it does not have an actual cap. It has a point of maximum impact - which you note there are three different points and they differ for each boss - but that is encounter-specific, and front/flank/rear specific. Unfortunately, tooltips are written once, and then forgotten about, basically. They are not dynamic. They do not change based upon the content you are in, nor the value of the stat you are hovering over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha
So long as tooltips are static, not dynamic, the desired "transparency" will not occur. -
10-30-2016, 01:47 PMValkyrie_Lenneth
The weights are also different for lvl 50 as well. Heck, shields block for 7% more in lvl 50 dungeons, over lvl 60 content, and the shields are scaled down!
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10-30-2016, 02:39 PMLunarEmerald
One reason why they wouldn't show the crit chance is because not everybody understands rng. If they know for certain their crit chance is 30% for example then they will expect 1/3 of their hits to be crits. As soon as they go a long streak without critting, they start complaining that the game's rng is broken and should be fixed.
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10-30-2016, 10:52 PMPaladinleedsSimple, just set up the forums such that any posts about that are automatically deleted from the forums. That way they can complain, but the post just gets whisked off into the ether never to be seen again. Out of sight, out of mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by LunarEmerald
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10-30-2016, 11:00 PMAvin00
You also have to contend with the fact that different enemies have different magical and physical defence so saying x move will do x dmg is pretty useless without working out the intended targets resistances. I actually think obscuring the stat weights isn't hand holding and it's more of the reverse if you have to slowly increase accuracy to achieve the minimum using the striking dummies I would say that is harder than being told outright you need 600 (if you are a mage) accuracy because I know you are all too lazy to work it out yourselves.
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10-30-2016, 11:13 PMRemus
We won't get it. They already said the reason why stats are like that is because they want it to be stupid-friendly. Also they often change it so they tend to hide it.
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10-30-2016, 11:27 PMRiardon
I don't think this is a "limitations" issue. I think they do it on purpose and I see it in many many MMORPGs. They tend to hide the DPS algorithms and how exactly stats work and affect DPS because they want to keep balance by hiding the "golden" formula so you can experiment and they can also hide any weaknesses in class and combat system. They also tend to change those algorithms from patch to patch without saying what exactly they changed. I think many devs fear the abuse will come by exposing the whole system to players. People will go to the golden classes and gears and exclude all the others. So they hide it. If you are to expose everything to the players you have to be sure everything is balanced and there is no perfect balance in any game.
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11-13-2016, 01:31 AMShurrikhanObscurity rarely caters to stupidity. It caters only to those who want to roll around in it, or stand atop those who do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Remus
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11-13-2016, 01:57 AMFelisHave nothing to do with PS3 limitation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrt
Say you have 2 possible targets. one with crit resistance 150 and one with crit resistance 300.
Will you really check your tool tip for every target to see how good your crit chance is? Not to speak about the extra traffic which just to target something will create. Except maybe if every enemy stat will be client side to do the math with the character stats without internet traffic.
But maybe the devs can bring an analyse skill that show the player all the stats of the target and let him do the math himelf.