Sephirot, Nidhogg, Sophia Mount from Totem Exchange when?

When will it be implemented?

Actually, why not implement it straight away with the release of each new primal?

Just like the weapons itself, i mean.

Is there a reason why there's a "holdback" time on implementing totem-for-mount exchange?

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Originally Posted by Lunavorsa

Is there a reason why there's a "holdback" time on implementing totem-for-mount exchange?

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To retain the rarity of the newer primal mounts, when the trials are still current content, and people are already running them to obtain the weapons.

They added the Bismarck, Ravana and Thordan birds to the totem exchange vendor while Sephirot was still the latest trial. The next addition will likely be Sephirot and Nidhogg, possibly in 3.45.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

To retain the rarity of the newer primal mounts, when the trials are still current content, and people are already running them to obtain the weapons.

They added the Bismarck, Ravana and Thordan birds to the totem exchange vendor while Sephirot was still the latest trial. The next addition will likely be Sephirot and Nidhogg, possibly in 3.45.

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I understand about the rarity part but the RNG rolls were too tough... T_T

I'm already on my 75th sophia run. Only seen the bird 3 times, and rolled 2nd place for all 3 of them, it's excruciatingly painful lmao.

I do think the effort in accumulating 99 totems would have been enough for -really unlucky- warriors of light to exchange for a mount while the trial is still relevant. The holdback feels like a stinker given to you just because your luck isn't good enough.

I wouldn't expect them to release before 3.55. Nidhogg is only a patch old and still more than capable of wiping groups even at ilvl 250. As for why they're holding them back, they want people to keep farming. Only Sephirot is really "old" at this point. I constantly see Sophia parties in PF and even the occasional Nidhogg. Increasing the bird drops means once people get them, they'll likely have no reason to touch any of them again.

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Originally Posted by Lunavorsa

I understand about the rarity part but the RNG rolls were too tough... T_T

I'm already on my 75th sophia run. Only seen the bird 3 times, and rolled 2nd place for all 3 of them, it's excruciatingly painful lmao.

I do think the effort in accumulating 99 totems would have been enough for -really unlucky- warriors of light to exchange for a mount while the trial is still relevant. The holdback feels like a stinker given to you just because your luck isn't good enough.

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75? Lol. You better be glad that exchange is even there in the first place.

330 Bismarcks. Never forget

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

75? Lol. You better be glad that exchange is even there in the first place.

330 Bismarcks. Never forget

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*salutes with tears in eyes*

Have done my 40th yesterday, and never see the bird drops =(

79 sophia clears for me, seen 2 birds which i didn't win.

Won bird in my 1st kill :D

I got to 126 soph ex clears before I decided to wait for the totem buy. Also "ensuring rarity" doesn't really work for me as a reason, since 5/6 of my fc members got their bird within 25 clears (guess who number 6 is... ;-; ). We need the totem buy now.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

I wouldn't expect them to release before 3.55. Nidhogg is only a patch old and still more than capable of wiping groups even at ilvl 250. As for why they're holding them back, they want people to keep farming. Only Sephirot is really "old" at this point. I constantly see Sophia parties in PF and even the occasional Nidhogg. Increasing the bird drops means once people get them, they'll likely have no reason to touch any of them again.

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3.55 would be way too late to add the Nidhogg bird to the vendor.

I'd expect them to be adding the Sophia and Zurvan birds to the totem exchange vendor in either 3.55 or 3.56 (2.x primal mounts droprates were buffed in 2.56), as a further incentive for players to continue playing the game. You have to keep in mind that the entirety of the 3.5 patch (3.55 included) will be around for longer than the other patches. Going by the current patch cycle, we'll likely see 3.5 mid or late january, followed by a space of almost 5 months until the expansion's early summer release.

I would expect them to add the Sephirot, Nidhogg and Sophia birds to Bertana's shop in 3.45, if they were going to continue releasing them in three's. They likely will wait to add Sophia's until a later patch, however. It would be nice if they'd let you purchase the mounts with 99x totems right away, since I personally am against the RNG nonsense (seen way too many bad players get the mounts). Being a skilled player and having done 112 runs of Sophia and losing on 11 birds, I'd much prefer something that requires effort as opposed to something that's sheer luck.

I got the Sophia bird on my 90th clear so I'm pretty happy about that. The only bird I need now is Sephirot and I'm holding onto 99 totems because Sephirot farms have been impossible for months now. It's a fun fight and I love it but people on my server are absolutely terrible at it and no one is doing it via RF.

1ST clear on sophia bird drops i lot 91 but a 99 beat me. My rule on mounts is i like to get it but won't farm it its just to frustrating.

130 clears on sophia, seen whistle drop only twice, rolled single digits. Abysmal drop rate

There's a certain rush to get 99 totems now because you know the server RF is gonna lax up as the patch ages. You still have players doing mechs properly now, give it a month or 2 and everyone's gonna try to ignore mechs and "push dps"

Thats why i'm gonna try to get my remaining 24 tokens over this weekend and forget about ever looting the mount from the fight T_T

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Originally Posted by LORD_METATRON

Won bird in my 1st kill :D

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Go away D:

Yep, just sitting on 99 goddess totems now, waiting for the whistle to be buyable. Since I bought a weapon as well I'm at roughly 109 clears, seen the whistle maybe 3 or 4 times, didn't roll over 30 on any of them, so yknow, whatever. I was far luckier with ravana (about 25 clears), bismarck (60), and eggnog (50), thordan took about ~250 though (I kept spending my tokens on weapons to desynth, I deeply regret that when they later added the whistle for 99 tokens. Managed to get my bird before I had a stack again though). At 64 fiend totems however, not many people pf that anymore and I do not trust rf for sephirot ex...

Would be nice if they added seph, eggnog, and soph birds in the shop in the next patch... feels like it might be a tad early for sophia bird to be added, but maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised... though I think we'll all be sorely disappointed instead.

But if you count strictly on the time of implementation. you could say that when they implemented the 99 totem policy, Thordan is considered relatively new i guess, if you compare it to Ravana and Bismarck of course.

So i'm really really hoping they'd give sophia her 99 totem too. Please SE

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

3.55 would be way too late to add the Nidhogg bird to the vendor.

I'd expect them to be adding the Sophia and Zurvan birds to the totem exchange vendor in either 3.55 or 3.56 (2.x primal mounts droprates were buffed in 2.56), as a further incentive for players to continue playing the game. You have to keep in mind that the entirety of the 3.5 patch (3.55 included) will be around for longer than the other patches. Going by the current patch cycle, we'll likely see 3.5 mid or late january, followed by a space of almost 5 months until the expansion's early summer release.

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Not really. Thordan was added in 3.35-- nearly a year and a half following his release. If 3.55 were released in say, April. That would be roughly the same timeline. Nidhogg is only four months old. They aren't going to make totems available that fast since no one will touch him afterwards. As for patch cycles, I personally estimate we will see them as follows:

3.5: January 10th
3.55: April 25th
Stormblood: Sometime early July

If they do a minor patch in between, thus making it 3.55 and 3.56, then we'll probably see Nidhogg totems around February. I doubt anytime before.

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Originally Posted by Amnesiac

I would expect them to add the Sephirot, Nidhogg and Sophia birds to Bertana's shop in 3.45, if they were going to continue releasing them in three's. They likely will wait to add Sophia's until a later patch, however. It would be nice if they'd let you purchase the mounts with 99x totems right away, since I personally am against the RNG nonsense (seen way too many bad players get the mounts). Being a skilled player and having done 112 runs of Sophia and losing on 11 birds, I'd much prefer something that requires effort as opposed to something that's sheer luck.

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The reason they don't is your 112 runs likely meant jumping into Party Finder. If you were guaranteed a bird after 99 attempts, you'd now have no reason to touch Sophia EX. With the cross server PF being implemented in 3.5, we'll be pulling from everyone on our respective data centers. Basically, they want you to have some measure of bad luck to assure you'll keep doing the content. Once its old enough people have generally moved on, they then buff the rates to get people back in and offer an alternative method to beat RNG since it isn't relevant content anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Not really. Thordan was added in 3.35-- nearly a year and a half following his release. If 3.55 were released in say, April. That would be roughly the same timeline. Nidhogg is only four months old. They aren't going to make totems available that fast since no one will touch him afterwards. As for patch cycles, I personally estimate we will see them as follows:

3.5: January 10th
3.55: April 25th
Stormblood: Sometime early July

If they do a minor patch in between, thus making it 3.55 and 3.56, then we'll probably see Nidhogg totems around February. I doubt anytime before.

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Either way, all of them will likely be on the totem exchange vendor by 3.56, just like all the primal ponies had their drop rates increased in 2.56. This way, players will have even more incentive to farm for these birds, and to keep playing the game, since the entirety of 3.5 will be around for about 1.5 months longer than the usual patches.

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Originally Posted by Aquaslash

75? Lol. You better be glad that exchange is even there in the first place.

330 Bismarcks. Never forget

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I cannot believe I'm still alive but,

400 Thordans. Never forget

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

The reason they don't is your 112 runs likely meant jumping into Party Finder. If you were guaranteed a bird after 99 attempts, you'd now have no reason to touch Sophia EX. With the cross server PF being implemented in 3.5, we'll be pulling from everyone on our respective data centers. Basically, they want you to have some measure of bad luck to assure you'll keep doing the content. Once its old enough people have generally moved on, they then buff the rates to get people back in and offer an alternative method to beat RNG since it isn't relevant content anymore.

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I understand they need some way to keep the content relevant, it's just an absolute bother to carry DPS only to lose over and over again, a lot of the time to players who do poorly, like dying half the fight. It'd be nice if they made it more competitive, maybe that might even help keep the content relevant (i.e. A leaderboards for fastest clears).

I have an idea, why not just make it require 9'900 totems straight off the mark, no RNG drops. ninety nine hundred clears (maybe minus one stack of 99 if it would make trading impossible). That'd keep the content relevant for quite some time right?

EDIT: Or bundle it into an achievement for getting say 5'000 clears of Sophia Ex, and then the guy at Old Gridania gives you the mount.

In a not so serious sense, when you can trust party finder/raid finder to actually be able to farm it..because I've seen some shit lol

I lost the count after 350ish Ravana Extreme but I can assure you it was easily over 500. I used most totems to desynth. When the totem>bird thing happened I dropped the Rose Lanner after 3 fights

I am still not sure why 99 tokens would not be keeping the content relevant? I mean even with the tokens a person still has to run the same content 99 times..If you calculate that a fight takes 7 minutes to beat, which is unreachable for most, you would be 693 minutes in this fight to have all the tokens that means 11 hours! This is purely the fight itself. Now this might be achievable with a great static and a higher ilvl but most of the time you will have a waiting time, than depending on the people it might be a success or not..and so on. This makes the time you need to get those 99 tokens way higher..Lets not forget that not everyone can play lots of hours per day or only want to fight against one primal all the time. Even with the tokens for the other primals I still see parties for farming them so even those are still relevant.

I just cant see much negative to having them from the beginning since, there will always be people that get it really fast and some run it hundreds of time..its just much more fair for those with really bad rng because imo running something like Sephi Ex 99 times is still quite stressful..

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I have an idea, why not just make it require 9'900 totems straight off the mark, no RNG drops. ninety nine hundred clears (maybe minus one stack of 99 if it would make trading impossible). That'd keep the content relevant for quite some time right?

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You do know that just again taking 7 minutes for each fight this would mean someone has to run this content 69300 minutes...1155 hours..that is not reasonable in any way, especially since this would be for only one bird..I am quite sure that this would kill content way faster than anything because there is quite the different between a carrot on a stick and something impossible other than for people with an ungodly amount of time..Even 5000 runs makes this around 580 hours..

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Not really. Thordan was added in 3.35-- nearly a year and a half following his release.

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Sorry, that's not correct. Minstrel's Ballad: Thordan's Reign released in Patch 3.1 in November 2015. Patch 3.35, which allowed people to turn in Heaven's Ward fragments for the round lanner whistle, released in July 2016. That's actually eight months and not a year and a half.

Sephirot extreme released in Patch 3.2, February 2016, eight months ago. I'd expect to see a totem turn in for him at the next patch. And I really, really hope we get it, because my 99 totems are waiting.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

You do know that just again taking 7 minutes for each fight this would mean someone has to run this content 69300 minutes...1155 hours..that is not reasonable in any way, especially since this would be for only one bird..I am quite sure that this would kill content way faster than anything because there is quite the different between a carrot on a stick and something impossible other than for people with an ungodly amount of time..Even 5000 runs makes this around 580 hours..

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Of course, the numbers can be tweaked, but I think they need to be higher than 99, and remove the RNG drops for it. That way those who get it on their 2nd run otherwise, have to keep going back to the content. That is the main thing I want behind my idea, the removal of the RNG drops and make it a progression based thing only. The 9'900 clears, was me being my "Think big, REALLY BIG" self again. LOL

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

I have an idea, why not just make it require 9'900 totems straight off the mark, no RNG drops. ninety nine hundred clears (maybe minus one stack of 99 if it would make trading impossible). That'd keep the content relevant for quite some time right?

EDIT: Or bundle it into an achievement for getting say 5'000 clears of Sophia Ex, and then the guy at Old Gridania gives you the mount.

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That sounds even worse! D: I'd rather deal with the RNG/sit on 99 tokens for a couple months than run a duty 5,000 times for a mount. Talk about major burnout!

I have cleared over 30 times just from doing Sophia here and there when I'm bored. The whistle has dropped twice. I rolled an 18, and a 15 both times.
My 18 roll...was the second highest roll out of the entire party. The person that beat me rolled an obscenely high number (somewhere in the 90s), and was a complete jerk the entire run to the party for no reason. Of course they get the bird. >.>

Ok, i just got my 99th totem and i only saw 3 Birds in the entire 99 runs.

It's just really sad.

These birds aren't rare...i see them so much I am sick of them lol

They should just release the token thing from day one

Meanwhile nightmare from 2.X content has never been seen ever...