Leve menus are vexing my essence

The leve system is the leve system. I have come to terms with it. I have not however come to terms with the system for actually getting leves. Since this game finds numerous other ways to squander my free time outside of "fun time" perhaps you friendly developers could find it in your heart to take my feedback under advisement.

This post is specific to the crafting leves, as I do not participate in the other leves, thus, I can't really expand on their interface. I do recall it being similarly annoying and essence vexing though.

1. Do we really need a menu showing each job?
2. Do we really need a sub menu showing 3 sets of levels?
3. Do we really need non descript cards that don't tell you anything without clicking on them to pop up yet another sub-sub-sub menu?

How about just laying it out there? When you click on the leve npc he brings up a big menu. On that menu it lists entries as follows

Job - Level - Leve Name - Reward - Location

Lets use a visual aid. Imagine a menu that looks slicker than this ASCII example:

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Job----------Level---LeveName-----------------Reward----------------Location--------------
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Goldsmith---40-----Unimplemented Dreams--10 Electrum Ingots----Camp Clandestine--
Goldsmith---35-----Wishful Thinking-----------3 Gold Ingots---------Camp Far-a-way----
Weaver------20-----Obtuse Ideas--------------12 Moko Grass---------Camp NoLevesHere
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You get the idea. This would effectively eliminate several menus and make a singular menu much more informative, expediting something. Since you guys shouldn't have to build a new server to change menus, this feels doable.

My challenge to you developers is to do this, please.

+1 for the good idea and for the thread title.

I'm in support of this. I really don't like having to open up each individual leve 'card' just to see what level the leve is, only to half the time discover that the level is too low and unuseable.

Crafting leves ahoy
Entering the sub-sub-sub
Vexing our essence

(haiku inspired by Cpt. Picard)

+1 Hopefully, something like this will be implemented quickly...

Hm, I think the best way to respond to this would be to answer your questions so.

1. Do we really need a menu showing each job?
Yes, not everyone is leveling every craft class and not everyone is on their craft class when they obtain leves so being able to select which hand craft you want makes it easier to go through the list. Judging from what you're suggesting it sounds like you want the menus to look like the Market Ward item search function which to me would be an eyesore. Not only would you have to go through the list to find your craft but it would just look messy.

2. Do we really need a sub menu showing 3 sets of levels?
Before there was only 1 list of up to 8 leve cards. The reason it changed to three was so you had a better chance at doing leves in your leve range, before it was pretty much you had maybe 2 leves that were in your leve range out of 8 and then you would have to wait for a leve reset to occur before you had a chance at doing more. With how it's setup now it's a lot easier to get leves in your leve range and they at least condensed it into 3 rather then doing every 10 levels.

3. Do we really need non descript cards that don't tell you anything without clicking on them to pop up yet another sub-sub-sub menu?
The cards are Descriptive in the sense that they let you know whether it's in the town or at a camp. Honestly the best strategy to do would be to always grab the card that is inside town til you aren't being offered ones with a decent xp rate. Then you can grab the other ones that need to be sent to camp to reset the leve cards and start the process all over again.

But ya, the change in question just sounds like it would make things look ugly cause what I"m getting is this. I currently have a majority of crafts at 20 and two past 35. With that in mind my menu would have the following:

10-16 Alchemy/Armorer/Blacksmith/Culinary/Leatherworker/Weaver option for a total of 60-96 line of quest info.
15-24 Carpenter/Goldsmith 30-48 leve option

In total I"d have 90-144 lines of information when choosing a leve. If it's done alphabetically then I might have to hit the next button once or twice just to see my weaver leves.

In a sense you might actually end up creating more unnecessary menus when the way it's setup now allows one to condense it to their craft focus. Another thing to keep in mind, while I'm not 100% sure about this but I believe it's impossible to do something like grab a goldsmith leve for camp horizon for the rank 1, 20 and 40 range since you can only do one of those at a time. Basically what I'm getting at is because of the way it's setup every time you picked a leve that sent you to a camp the list would most likely have to refresh itself to remove the camp that you just selected for that craft.

Personally speaking though I spent 34-36 using leves to reach 36 goldsmith and found the menus to be quick and easy to go through, I pick the 20 range, checked out to see if the ones in town were good, did them, then repeated the process. When they fell flat I would either wait or grab the camp ones, which ones? I'd just look til I saw the ones I wanted, for me there isn't much delay when checking each card so I don't really have an issue with having to look at the card to see if it's the leve I wish to do.

I think local leves should be picked up in the actual guild.

I also think each guild should have "sub-stations" where you can pick up leves in non-guild cities to do work in your trade for the local population, as a representative of the guild in question.

Terrible idea, I completely agree with Airget. Rows and rows of information versus going through 3 lists, which honestly make sense.

Job >> Level range >> Leve description >> Accept/Deny

It's not even slow.

Note: I could dig what Wynn said.

And we need more level ranges other than every 20.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I think local leves should be picked up in the actual guild.

I also think each guild should have "sub-stations" where you can pick up leves in non-guild cities to do work in your trade for the local population, as a representative of the guild in question.

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That seems reasonable too. Put guild leves in the guild. Just do it with minimal menus right? :)

Your thread titles were funny the first time... now you are trying too hard

Agree this needs to be done.

Better still, move all leves that are relevant to one camp to an NPC at that camp.

For example go to Camp Horizon.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2lj2mom.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Agree this needs to be done.

Better still, move all leves that are relevant to one camp to an NPC at that camp.

For example go to Camp Horizon.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2lj2mom.jpg

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Wouldnt work for locals, because some of those have to go to an npc in the city, and I for one would find it worse having to run round all NPCs that "could" give leves, it would work for Battle leves and possibly DoL but i havent done those so I cant comment on DoL.

Also to the OP, I would prefer the locals sorted into submenus than have to scroll through a list of

lvl 1 BSM xxx leve
lvl 1 BSM xxx leve
lvl 3 BSM xxx leve
lvl 5 BSM xxx leve
(I'll skip a few)
lvl 40 BSM xxx leve
lvl 1 ARM xxx leve
etc etc

When all I want is a few GSM leves, then there is the good old, limit it to 10 leves, then I may never see my GSM leves, your system will never work and you are just trying too hard now, but atleast there was a suggestion in this post not just "this is broke fix it now before I have a tantrum"

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Wouldnt work for locals, because some of those have to go to an npc in the city, and I for one would find it worse having to run round all NPCs that "could" give leves, it would work for Battle leves and possibly DoL but i havent done those so I cant comment on DoL.

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Thats the problem with local leves some are in town some are at camps.

So perhaps the best solution would be for each crafting guild to have its own leve NPC, then all current leves could be changed so they are handed in at various NPC's in town. (Nobody wants to run around 4-5 camps handing it localleves anyway)

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Also to the OP, I would prefer the locals sorted into submenus than have to scroll through a list of

lvl 1 BSM xxx leve
lvl 1 BSM xxx leve
lvl 3 BSM xxx leve
lvl 5 BSM xxx leve
(I'll skip a few)
lvl 40 BSM xxx leve
lvl 1 ARM xxx leve
etc etc

When all I want is a few GSM leves, then there is the good old, limit it to 10 leves, then I may never see my GSM leves, your system will never work and you are just trying too hard now, but atleast there was a suggestion in this post not just "this is broke fix it now before I have a tantrum"

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The suggestion above would solve this issue also.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Thats the problem with local leves some are in town some are at camps.

So perhaps the best solution would be for each crafting guild to have its own leve NPC, then all current leves could be changed so they are handed in at various NPC's in town. (Nobody wants to run around 4-5 camps handing it localleves anyway)



The suggestion above would solve this issue also.

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That could work, tbh I never liked the fact that local leves are supposed to be done in town, but then you have to go to camps to get mats and get the reward, I really dont mind the adventurers guild giving them out, but let me take em all to npcs in town not at camps. The craft guilds handing them out would make it easier, and better from a lore perspective where npcs ask the guild for an item, then the guild gets its crafters to make them and deliver them but it would require alot of changes in the text files where npcs mention the adventurers guild when they give you mats.

I've never really understood the whole concept of the GuildLeves, esp. with regards to Crafting & Gathering.

It somewhat makes sense with Battlecraft Leves with the whole "Echo"'s of the past and reliving the great battles of Eorzea but the quests themselves are not very epic and really just amount to typical "kill X number of mobs for reward".

Leves (like much of FFXIV) were an interesting concept but implemented poorly and ultimately just a silly and tedious way of doing NPC Fetch Quests. The silliness and tediousness is amplified when it comes to Local Leves.

It really makes no sense at all that a Crafting Guild would create these ornate stained glass Leves just to get you to make 2 pairs of pants. Lore becomes Bore when things make no sense and actually impede player progression, not to mention Fun.

I feel that Crafting Leves should be scrapped and replaced with good old fashioned Quests given out at the various Crafting Guilds. Make the dozen or so denizens of the Guilds useful by offering (Story Driven) Quests and RECIPES!...Please give us more recipes. This trial and error crap (esp. on materials) is not cutting it.

Now that we have ample Fast Travel methods, there is no longer a need for a generalized, all-purpose, one-stop-shop Adventurers Guild Counter. Make us make an effort to level our Classes and Jobs. Personally, I would prefer traveling to and interacting with my Guilds a lot more than I do now.

Even if they keep Crafting Leves as they are now. moving them to their respective Guilds would help to streamline the UI Menus. Yoshi has stated that GuidLeves will be treated as Solo Content so what is the point of the Adventurers Counter? I understand it is supposed to be for convenience but it's really just tedious, monotonous and boring.

Would it be possible to add star difficulty for crafting leves like they do for battle? That way it adds more leves per craft by being able to pick the difficulty while also boosting exp gained.

Can we not just hold up a stack of guildleves like holding a hand of cards in Poker, and just flick through it with next to no loading time?

So there are a number of good ideas in this thread.

It appears that we can mostly agree that the current manner in which local leve's are obtained is sub-standard.

So developers.. Understanding and hoping that you drop a nuclear bomb on leve's altogether in 2.0, in the meantime, while we wait a year to get to that happy place, can you add a menu reduction and change of method of acquisition of local leve's onto your depreciated version of FFXIV that we are playing.

I do like the idea of list as proposed by the OP.

A compromise and a significant UI adjustment would be choosing the craft first, then a list of leves are displayed in ascending order by level displaying the information such as leve name, level, reward, and turn in location.

The leves could be picked up with a checkbox/multi select option, akin to how trading in regional leves worked for this selection process, then accept leves en masse. An option should still exist for those that like reading leve details.

Ideally a sort option should exist to do descending and ascending sorts on any of columns.