So Why Is It Always The DPS Who Withdraws?

So I've just done Navel (Story) for the first time and it took FOUR attempts to get a party through Duty Finder, every time it was one of the DPS who withdrew?

I of course signed up to this Duty specifically (as Healer) but I am assuming normally the other three players selected for the group are all using Roulette. Is it possible for someone to 'know' before hand the duty the Roulette has selected so they can drop out even before starting?

Given the fact I often see DPS complain about long queue times, not without reason I'm sure, I'm bemused why so many drop out when the queue pops.

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This is not at all the first time I've seen this effect, but it's certainly the most 'failed' pops I've seen in a row.

Not sure. I remember back when I was leveling my classes, if DF popped and it was a story-mode primal, it was like winning the lottery. All of the DF experience in 5 minutes.

It's because the DPS do have the longest queues, so they may end up doing something else while they queue, and then end up missing it.

I generally assume most of the time that they aren't choosing to withdraw.

The que times for DPS are usually a lot longer, so most of the time people tab out to read forums or whatever and miss the que pop.

The only other reason I can think of is if they were hoping to get an "In Progress", maybe?

I've seen DPS withdraw, I've seen healers withdraw, I've seen tanks withdraw. You simply, through the luck of the draw, got four DPS that withdrew.

There are two reasons I can come up with for withdrawals. The first, is they are AFK. That's the withdrawal that you see them take forever to Accept, and they never do. The second is they are fishing for In Progress stuff. They don't know that you are trying to do The Navel, they figure they ar going to get something like Aurum Vale and would rather find something that has been mostly beaten to join.

No, you cant see which duty you'll get when going in with the roulette.

To answer your second question: I've got two theories - due to long queue times, a dps is more likely to let the timer run out because they went to do something else. And second: Say you have an hour on your hand, which is enough to run a dungeon, so you queue up and then... the queue takes ages. You're nervously keeping an eye on the clock, maybe begin to get ready for work and when the queue finally pops you have to choose if you can make a dungeon before work or not.

Okay, I 'get' that long times means people get involved in other things and then miss the pop, but that's simply creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, surely?

I've only every played healers in this game, apart from a short-lived tank which I quickly learned isn't my forte ;) , so haven't faced queue times of any great length so haven't had to figure out what I'd do in case of extended queue times .. I was just curious as to why this happened, and yes I have seen the tank not accept once or twice but that has been pretty rare in recent times.

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Originally Posted by Pintsized

Okay, I 'get' that long times means people get involved in other things and then miss the pop, but that's simply creating a self-fulfilling prophecy, surely?

I've only every played healers in this game, apart from a short-lived tank which I quickly learned isn't my forte ;) , so haven't faced queue times of any great length so haven't had to figure out what I'd do in case of extended queue times .. I was just curious as to why this happened, and yes I have seen the tank not accept once or twice but that has been pretty rare in recent times.

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Level a DPS and experience the 40 plus minute ques, then you'll "get" it better and this won't be a question anymore. DPS que times need to be sued. Not attacking you either, text does a horrible job at emotions. Or I just suck and come off as rude. >>;

I'm so glad I don't play DPS anymore......

There are also 1 tank, 1 heal and 2 dps. So even if everyone withdraws with equal probability (25%), you have 25% change of tank or heal withdraw, but ~50% for dps (any of two)

Perfect example of why DPS "withdraws". When I started this que the average wait time was 7 minutes...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...que%20time.jpg

.... I really want to go make coffee. The second I start the coffee this b**** will pop.

It isn't. I've seen tanks and healers fail to confirm plenty of times as well.

I don't know what I do differently than others, but when queuing on my smn, it takes less than 5 minutes. Longest I waited was 7 minutes for satasha on my alt (lancer) since that was the only dungeon I had unlocked to that time lol. To be honest, my queue times as tank/heals is mostly longer than as dps and it's always the 2nd healer that withdraws from the duty.....

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Say you have an hour on your hand, which is enough to run a dungeon, so you queue up and then... the queue takes ages. You're nervously keeping an eye on the clock, maybe begin to get ready for work and when the queue finally pops you have to choose if you can make a dungeon before work or not.

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As main DPS,this is the truth.

So hey, I wrote a story the other day about DPS queues. I walked from Idyllshire to Outer La Noscea over the course of seven and a half hours waiting for Odin queues, and got six total. And that was prompted by an Odin queue the day before I did that being 219 minutes long. Close to four hours.

So yeah that's why some people miss queue windows in DPS.

There's a penalty if you withdraw three times, so I doubt it is intentional for the most part. DPS are almost always the last to commence their queues because they are away so often while waiting. More often than not, they miss the queue while doing something else. It also almost always repops instantly when this happens since there is usually another DPS waiting for their turn to pop up.

All other possibilities are likely rare occurrences, but when combined throughout the day can it make it seem like something is up with the DPS in queues. But I assure you, they are not fans of missing them. :)

I wonder this too, it drives me mad. It's the worst with the 24 man instances. Every single time 14/15 over and over. Do they just queue up then lob their controller out the window?

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

I wonder this too, it drives me mad. It's the worst with the 24 man instances. Every single time 14/15 over and over. Do they just queue up then lob their controller out the window?

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I have the same problem sometimes. I don't understand the ones that with draw the second the Que pops. Makes me wonder why they even queued in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Pheryx

I have the same problem sometimes. I don't understand the ones that with draw the second the Que pops. Makes me wonder why they even queued in the first place.

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Those likely wanted to get in progress.

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Originally Posted by Pheryx

I have the same problem sometimes. I don't understand the ones that with draw the second the Que pops. Makes me wonder why they even queued in the first place.

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I have been guilty of this a couple of times when on dps. I will start queuing for Syrcus Tower etc and then go do something else. Thirty mins later it pops and I have forgotten I am even in the queue for it and now busy with something else.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

I have been guilty of this a couple of times when on dps. I will start queuing for Syrcus Tower etc and then go do something else. Thirty mins later it pops and I have forgotten I am even in the queue for it and now busy with something else.

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To add to this, I've fallen asleep mid queue more than once >.>;;

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

To add to this, I've fallen asleep mid queue more than once >.>;;

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Lol I have done this too :P

Trial roulette as a dps is extremely quick, so if they withdraw it won't hurt them. Be glad it's dps withdrawing and not the tanks

It's not uncommon to go run FATEs while waiting in the interminable DPS queues, and not necessarily doing them on the job registered for the DF. You're not allowed to change jobs while you've got aggro and sometimes running far enough away from FATE mobs to drop hate takes a while. Especially if you're in a zone with native mobs with aggro for that level. I can't tell you how many times I've been trying my damnedest to get away from the FATE to barely get changed in time to accept the duty.

People also craft a fair amount while waiting things out and then have to weigh the costs of abandoning a potentially pricey craft or taking a strike for ditching out of queue.

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Originally Posted by Taika

It's because the DPS do have the longest queues, so they may end up doing something else while they queue, and then end up missing it.

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I swear to god that that queue NEVER pops until I step away from the monitor to go to the bathroom. As soon as I do? BAM HERE'S YOUR DUNGEON LOL

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Originally Posted by Derio

Trial roulette as a dps is extremely quick, so if they withdraw it won't hurt them. Be glad it's dps withdrawing and not the tanks

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Remember that while you queued through the roulette, not everyone in your party did, that one person withdrawing could have queued to the duty directly and could have been waiting for a long time.

Solo queueing for some obscure trial like ultros or big keep is gonna make you wait until the roulette is done filling every other duty that has been waiting for fillers, and that can take well past 20 minutes depending on the time.

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Originally Posted by cakesphere

I swear to god that that queue NEVER pops until I step away from the monitor to go to the bathroom. As soon as I do? BAM HERE'S YOUR DUNGEON LOL

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Back when I was playing on my old, crappy laptop the queues would never pop for me until I changed locations. It would take forever to load into a new zone, and for whatever reason even longer when I was in a queue. So of course the moment I would decide to risk it and go somewhere it's pop on me and maybe 1/3 of the time would I load in quick enough to catch it, lol.

I don't get the "DPS queue are longer", these days, everytime i queue as DPS the dungeon pops within 5min oO (except for things like 24 men raid).
Sometimes i even spend more time in the queue as a healer ^^"

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Originally Posted by Celef

I don't get the "DPS queue are longer", these days, everytime i queue as DPS the dungeon pops within 5min oO (except for things like 24 men raid).
Sometimes i even spend more time in the queue as a healer ^^"

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It depends on where and what you queue of course, but I typically have between 15 and 8 minute wait for things like expert/60s roulette, about 8-5 minutes for things like Alexander and get the occasional insta-pop for 24 man raids. 24 man raid aside, I can half the queue time by queuing as healer instead and pretty much get insta-pops as tank.

Waiting on my ninja alt for the Zeta, (50s) dungeons always take well over 20 minutes. I frequently fill the entire rest of the book in the time it takes me to get into the dungeon, FATE waiting aside. The same applies to dungeons another alt required for the MSQ - copperbell normal in that case. Ironically, the queues are lower when I queue at off hours.

As a DPS i have learned one thing, and that is to do other things while queuing. Most often I level crafts or gatherers via levequests, and if I am in the middle of a levemete sometimes I will not get there in time because I think that if I am just quick enough I might manage to get it done in those 30 sec.

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Originally Posted by cakesphere

I swear to god that that queue NEVER pops until I step away from the monitor to go to the bathroom. As soon as I do? BAM HERE'S YOUR DUNGEON LOL

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Or if you're partying with friends and one says "brb" or "afk for a sec." XD

The other day I ended up withdrawing twice in a row for Haukke Manor as a tank.


I had gotten it in leveling roulette as a dps, and the tank left after the first boss.
Decided to try and hop out and queue in progress to fill the tank spot myself.

It gave me two fresh pops while I had in progress checked....
The third pop gave me the previous instance though.

A lot of the time it's the tank that instant declines the pop.