I've done a quick search for this subject but it hasn't been discussed in at least a year so here goes.
G4 Carbonized Matter is too obscure to obtain. I'm *not* saying that it's difficult to get, because it's a simple gather from lvl50 nodes, *but* it only appears at set times & in Mor Dhona. On the other hand, G5 Carbonized Matter is spattered all over Heavensward nodes & can be obtained from NPCs by exchanging Unidentifiable Items that you may not need.
Given that Tier V materia is much easier to obtain than ever before it's definitely time that G4 Carbonized Matter became equally as obtainable. Ideally, at this stage in the expansion, it should be available via retainer ventures (at 20-30 per hour). Arguably G5 should be also added by now. At the very least G4 should be on far more gathering nodes, even lvl50 HW 'standard' ones.
Grade 4 Carbonized Matter
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10-03-2016, 07:33 PMCulfinrandirGrade 4 Carbonized Matter
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10-03-2016, 08:38 PMPROBOUND
It should have been added to the gathering retainer ventures (46-50) a long time ago. Same goes for Clusters. x5-10 per hour wouldn't be game breaking. It would just follow the pattern of what they did with Gold/Darksteel Ore and G3 Soils.
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10-04-2016, 12:30 AMOoglieBooglie
While it is true that the G5 Carbonized Matter is on a lot of the heavensward nodes, THEY ARE BY NO MEANS EASY TO GET FROM THEM. They are rare hidden items to the point where you're lucky to see it once in an hour or two of gathering, unless you use the 3 hq chain skill to get it. Even then, you'll have used 3 gathering attempts just to find the thing, so you'll have anywhere from 1 to 3 hits and that's it for the node.
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10-04-2016, 02:26 AMPROBOUNDIts very easy to get G5 carb matter in comparison to G4 its almost laughable. All you need is 700 GP. Toil > Kings Yield > Profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie
It doesnt make sence that we can gather stacks of G5 per hour but have to settle with such small amounts of G4 even though technically they are required to pentameld far more than G5. -
10-04-2016, 05:44 AMEspritduo
The fact that Grade V Carbonized Matter is usually considerably cheaper and in larger supply on the MB than Grade IV should have been a sign to SE that some adjusting needs done. We need TONS of Grade IV now for overmelding, but not nearly as much Grade V. I find myself far too often just using my supply of Grade V to meld Grade IV materia when I run out of IV Matter during a melding session and that isn't right.
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10-04-2016, 11:47 AMOoglieBooglieWhelp, now I feel like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROBOUND
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10-05-2016, 03:43 PMplatorepublic
It's very cheap to use materia melder anyways... there is no point to buy carbonised matter on the MB unless it is cheaper to use materia melder.
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10-05-2016, 04:01 PMLegion88Most people do overmelding with Grade IV Materia, cause even they trow the V at us like candy it is to valuable to lost them by the extrem low success rates for overmelding. Overmelding cant be done through the materia melder NPC, so you need carbonized Matter IV for overmelding on Crafters and Gatherers gear or early progression with crafted battle gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by platorepublic
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10-05-2016, 06:52 PMCulfinrandirIt's completely free for me to meld myself - providing they make it easy enough to get the damn G4 Carbonized Matter! XDQuote:
Originally Posted by platorepublic
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10-06-2016, 05:05 AMplatorepublicAh ok. Fair point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Legion88
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10-14-2016, 03:06 PMBloody
Please realize that you can use a higher grade of carbonized matter than the materia you are trying to meld, so people who overstock on g5 can use it to overmeld the g4 materia....
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10-16-2016, 08:52 PMGriffeyTo get 700 gp you need fully melded ironworks gear and probably food. You also need to use a cordial to get your GP up or wait a couple of in game hours for it to regen.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROBOUND
Yeah, how is this easier than waiting for 4 in game hours to get a guranteed stack of 15, more with bonus, with only 500gp and no consumables? -
10-17-2016, 08:38 PMPROBOUNDThe comment (and this thread) is mainly targeted at max geared (best in slot) gatherer's and the issues they are currently facing relating to carb matter. If you don't have the things you listed, then you will not understand the issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffey
Easy is a subjective term i agree. Whats easy to some is not easy to others. But for the purpose of this discussion, to make all things equal, we are assuming you are a max geared Gatherer.
Weather your aware of it or not, you've actually just highlighted one of the major issues. The fact that a max geared gatherer with the latest Best in Slot melded IW set and 700gp with a pocket full of cordials has no advantage in gathering G4 carb matter vs. someone who just hit lvl 50, is wearing NQ quest reward gear and hasn't even purchased Heavensward.
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10-18-2016, 02:05 AMChameleonMSSeem fare to me, as G4 carb is only a lv50 (no star) item. Thus, any gatherer with lv50 gear should be able to get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PROBOUND
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10-25-2016, 04:03 AMNiwashiBut as a no star item, shouldn't it be available from regular level 50 nodes? Why is it limited to unspoiled nodes, which are otherwise just for starred items and clusters?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChameleonMS
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10-28-2016, 12:41 PMDarker_Midnight
Because it used to be end-game melding matter in ARR before HW showed up. They never really changed the system for gathering it.
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10-28-2016, 06:06 PMCulfinrandirThat's the point, they changed almost everything else to compensate, except for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darker_Midnight