[Spoiler] 'The Beast that Mourned'

Major spoilers for various quests in this post;

Just a small question; why is it that Ga Bu summoned Titan in the room instead of primal-ised variations of his parents? I thought the crystals, when activated, created your heart's desire, like with how Bahamut was summoned by his sister/partner (I can't mind her name) when she was in distress?

Surely he would have summoned them? I mean, even Gilgamesh managed to summon Enkidu when he was longing for his best friend.

I just thought it was strange.

Plot hole detected! :o

I know the story will never be perfect but.... That's a massive plot-hole, especially when three or more quests, two of which are MS quests involve such a thing...

Yeah, I was expecting to see him summon his parents but I guess they needed some player traffic on Titan HM.

He wouldn't have summoned his parents, their souls were likely dissapated in the Lifestream after their death, there are many example of primals not representing the souls of the original being it is representing(shiva the primal was not Shiva the person, Bahamut the primal was not Bahamut the Dragon, Even King Thordan the primal was not the real King Thordan, but a being conceived by Thordan the 7th) in fact, that might be how every primal functions.


He wanted his parents to be alive, true. But their souls are not entities like primals are, nor are they noteworthy people known by many. But Ga Bu knew about Titan, and he was an entitiy that could come back to answer his prayers. His distress ended up being the catalyst for Titan's awakening. As it was however, Titan was still a child's god, as such he was manifested through anguish and confusion of Ga Bu losing his parents.

I'm not saying the primals are the people themselves, they're forms of whoever you want to summon. Shiva, Bahamut, they're shells. His parents would have been summoned just as easily, just like Enkidu, who was formly just a bird. :| Shiva herself was just an elf... until uh.. vore happened.

Hell, with enough crystals, I could become a primal following Shiva's law.

EDIT: People kept referring to his chicken, I did the quests I know it's a bloody chicken. I was referring to the primal he summoned.

I think it's some sort of Tsanahale, took me ages to find their name, FFXIV has very poor info' websites. >_>

Considering Ga Bu's been calling Titan all kinds of "Father" during that part of MSQ, and he's completely lost to desperation in that very moment, he'd probably subconsciously plead Titan for help, I figured? As much as he wants to stop that summoning to save his parents, that whole situation derailed completely and he's just a kid.

So why not plead that deity you've been taught is good and great and benevolent to Kobolds like you to help you squish these people (no matter if they're Kobolds) that hurt your parents and when he's done ask for your parents back? Titan does call Kobolds his children, after all, and he's always been summoned to punish people that hurt his children - in the previous incarnation/s we've seen in the story it was always against them Overdwellers because they're nasty, but this case is just... really really twisted, so it does make sense that a child would plead his deity to help him subconsciously.

(I think I wouldn't have lived through him summoning his actual parents as primals, though, I was already hysterically sobbing into discord when we all noticed what exactly Titan was saying in that Titan HM)

I mean it probably just is a plot hole but... I like this explanation, personally.

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Originally Posted by Lokier

I'm not saying the primals are the people themselves, they're forms of whoever you want to summon. Shiva, Bahamut, they're shells. His parents would have been summoned just as easily, just like Enkidu, who was formly just a bird. :| Shiva herself was just an elf... until uh.. vore happened.

Hell, with enough crystals, I could become a primal following Shiva's law.

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Not just per Shiva... But the Knights of the Round as well...

But as for why Titan got summoned instead of his parents? Simple, Primals are bullshit.

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Originally Posted by vanitaslaughing

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See, I did consider that at first, but during his pleading (which did make me teary too, don't worry) he doesn't mention Titan even once. Had he said "Father, help me" or "Titan, please...", you know something, anything during that scene I'd have come to the conclusion he was thinking about the Crag, but it just seemed like his entire mind and being were on his parents, he didn't even care that Titan had been summoned and was wrecking everything. >_<

Maybe it was just a poor translation, maybe in Japanese they have him say Titan? I listen in Japanese but with english subs, but I didn't pay too much attention to what was being said, I do notice though, that sometimes, they don't translate properly. An NPC can be saying someone's name clearly but the dialogue window doesn't bring that up.

I was also kinda expecting Titan to revive them like what he did here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2QFM2a8PQ

The process of summoning a primal, and creating one are two separate things.

as for Greg, well, I don't know if he truly enters into the scheme of things other than "Hildebrand's kooky adventures." but he did know of Enkidu as a being before running into the green chicken who he named "Enkidu".

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Originally Posted by Nerisu

I was also kinda expecting Titan to revive them like what he did here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO2QFM2a8PQ

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Aw, that would have been nice. :(

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Originally Posted by Kallera

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I say bird because I don't know what they actually are... I'm sure FFXIv has like 50 names for them throughout the game like they do with every monster in this game, lmao.

I don't think Ekindu was any kind of god though, if you've done the new Xelphatol dungeon you'll have found a bunch of them trying to blow you up, so they don't seem to be any sort of godly being or anything, just birds.

Also take into account that GREG is several years old, is a demigod entity of sorts, a weaponsmith of weapons, and has all that Enkidu was memorized in his heart to the point with just crystals he called back his friend through sheer willpower and that the Primal apparition itself was benevolent and loyal to GREG.

Oh he didn't run into a green chicken. He painted the chicken green himself.

Guys, I've done every Hildibrand quest, I know it wasn't a chicken. XD

The summoned Tsanahale is what I was referring to, had to gut FFXIV databases to find that, lol.

Now that you said it, its quite strange that it was Titan that got summoned...especially since we learned that the primals are not the real deal but images made up by the believers. I mean that was the whole point about Shiva and Iceheart. I also found the teleportation a bit strange..the old rule was that it takes time and concentration to teleport and yet the WoD, the twins and others could instant teleport away..so maybe they sometimes are forgetting their own lore a little?

And I agree with Nerisu, I was really hoping that he would sacrifice himself for the parents, thus showing everyone that they are not necessary bad. But I was disappointed in the whole fight, Yoshida said that it would be a new way and that he liked how they done it..and yet it was just Titan HM with some dialog change.

I totally forgot to read the dialogue, now it's lost in time and space, lmao. Poor choice making dialogue change when i'm busy trying not to die on titan, lol.

He was summoned because a Kobold was crying out for help and Titan, Lord of Crags, God of Kobolds, Father to his people, was all ready to go. Literally was about to summoned just before we burst in.
He might be just a monster to be killed to us, but to the Kobolds Titan is God.

Enkidu doesn't really count, I mean Hildy falls hundreds of feet face first into the ground and just shrugs it off. I'm not sure anything in that storyline is meant to be taken seriously as far as the lore is concerned.

Ga Bu said earlier in the quest that he loved Titan as well. He summoned Titan to help him because he was in distress because Titan is his god and he's the deity he turned to for help. He wasn't trying to summon his parents. He was summoning anything that might help him, and inadvertently he summoned Titan and transferred his own mind into the primal(notice he fell unconscious as soon as Titan appeared and then woke up after we defeated him and Titan was speaking exactly as the kid was). There's absolutely no reason to think he wanted to summon his parents so I don't see what the issue is.

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The issue is I see the entire thing differently from you. :)

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Originally Posted by vanitaslaughing

Considering Ga Bu's been calling Titan all kinds of "Father" during that part of MSQ, and he's completely lost to desperation in that very moment, he'd probably subconsciously plead Titan for help, I figured? As much as he wants to stop that summoning to save his parents, that whole situation derailed completely and he's just a kid.
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Pretty much this, the child wanted to stop their Leader from summoning Titan because of the malicious actions taken to Summon their deity. When the child saw their parents were dead, he wasn't calling/praying for help to use the crystals to bring his parents to life, he was begging for someone to help save his parents. So there is a difference in terms of what he wanted done, he didn't want Titan to become a part of his parents, he wanted something to help his parents and his cries for help ended up calling Titan because you could say he saw Titan as a secondary father figure whom he subconsciously thought would be able to help.