Ornate ironworks crafting set listed in patch notes

Ilvl 190. Yet another crafting gear set upgrade? Wasnt expecting this.... recently spent a fortune melding...

I believe it's the 5 meld slot at 100%

The one you can get with Khloe
Ben since you can't lose materia it's cheaper to max meld it

Beside there is now à way to have materia V for Crafter without spiritbond
Thanks to the materia gobelin of idyllshire and the mhachi demi materia

What is this craft V materia method u speak of? Im familiar with the mhachi matter V materia....is there a craft option now also?

There is some new item called Mhachi Demimatter.

[Can be exchanged for select non-combat-based varieties of materia V.]

It probably means Crafting and Gathering ones.

for sure this new 190 gear MAX STATS will be lower than the 195 gear max stats; by necessity of course; since SE already promised the max 195 would be the highest gear until 4.0; and how ridiculous would that be to introduce 195 one patch and he very next big patch make a cheaper version with similar max and 100% material melding slots???

i guess this will be just alternative gear for the ilvl 200 gear which can be get for red scrips, so it means the stats because it is lower level and its not HQ version but you can meld materia.
which give you more flexibility to meld the stats which fit to your needs mostly.

for the mastercrafters like me :rolleyes: will be this gear not necessary.

i even not belive they will be 5x 100% slots i guess its only 2x like the normal battle gear.

regards hobbit

It's the Wondrous Tails versions. There are Ornate versions of all the i250 battle body pieces as well, which lines up with what we know about the gear. And thank god it's only the left side gear, no accessories, no belt, no tools. The only Ornate crafting piece anyone who melded their gear will actually want is the body piece, since all the other pieces (hat, gloves, pants, legs) are easily max meldable even without 5 guaranteed slots.

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Originally Posted by Espritduo

It's the Wondrous Tails versions. There are Ornate versions of all the i250 battle body pieces as well, which lines up with what we know about the gear. And thank god it's only the left side gear, no accessories, no belt, no tools. The only Ornate crafting piece anyone who melded their gear will actually want is the body piece, since all the other pieces (hat, gloves, pants, legs) are easily max meldable even without 5 guaranteed slots.

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they are not gonna make a lower ilv body piece have more stats pre melds than the next ilv up (its not even he case with 195 vs 200); so in order for 190 to EVEN match 195 gear AFTER melds they would have to share the same caps and as is YOU CAN'T MAX 195.....so what makes u think u can max 190 AND BEAT OUT 195 petamelds????

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Originally Posted by javid

for sure this new 190 gear MAX STATS will be lower than the 195 gear max stats; by necessity of course; since SE already promised the max 195 would be the highest gear until 4.0; and how ridiculous would that be to introduce 195 one patch and he very next big patch make a cheaper version with similar max and 100% material melding slots???

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The only crafted DoH/L gear that's i195 are the mainhand and offhand tools, and I don't see any new versions of those in the patch notes.

The new ironworks gear will be the same ilvl as the currently available crafted gear, with the same melding caps, and the only difference being that it has five 100% materia slots.
It's also supposed to be really rare, so there's no point in worrying about it.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

The only crafted DoH/L gear that's i195 are the mainhand and offhand tools, and I don't see any new versions of those in the patch notes.

The new ironworks gear will be the same ilvl as the currently available crafted gear, with the same melding caps, and the only difference being that it has five 100% materia slots.
It's also supposed to be really rare, so there's no point in worrying about it.

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oooh the same?? then its a glam or a achievement kind of thing??

ohhhhhhh i been check the nodes again so now i belive, they will be a new upgrade item with named Ornate which can be upgrade all the currently crafted gear up for more 100% slots.

means the normal crafted left side gear Gathering or Crafting ilvl 190 (only tools are ilvl 195!) or even the new Battle gear ilvl 250 can be upgradet to Ornate gear which give like more 100% slots.

so excited lets see what the patch tomorrow will give us! :rolleyes:

regards small hobbit

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Originally Posted by SmallHobbit

ohhhhhhh i been check the nodes again so now i belive, they will be a new upgrade item with named Ornate which can be upgrade all the currently crafted gear up for more 100% slots.

means the normal crafted left side gear Gathering or Crafting ilvl 190 (only tools are ilvl 195!) or even the new Battle gear ilvl 250 can be upgradet to Ornate gear which give like more 100% slots.

so excited lets see what the patch tomorrow will give us! :rolleyes:

regards small hobbit

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If this is the case a lot of people will be VERY sad and angry because most serious crafters spent millions of gil trying to pentameld their equipment.

I thought it had been made fairly clear that the "Ornate" gear was a Wondrous Tails reward (shown on JP screenshot as "SP" gear variant of the Heavy Metal Cuirass of Maiming (that is the Ornate Heavy Metal Cuirass of Maiming)). I can't see an ornate upgrade item in of itself anywhere in the notes to suggest otherwise.
So the only difference between the (likely) rare Ornate Ironworks crafting gear and normal (crafted) Ironworks gear is that the Ornate variant has 5 100% slots, thus allowing sensible and affordable use of more Tier V materia to cap the stats on an item. For example the Ornate Ironworks Apron of Crafting is the same iLevel as the crafted Ironworks Apron of Crafting (i190). Therefore it's stats will be the same, meaning that prior to melding it is indeed inferior to the Augmented i200 Scrip gear. However following melds the i190 becomes superior to the i200, and with 5 100% slots for example:
Ironworks Apron of Crafting HQ (Unmelded): 254/80/4.
Augmented Hidekeep's Apron: 270/90/4.
Ironworks Apron of Crafting HQ (2x Tier V (100%), 3x Tier IV (Overmelds)): 277/91/4.
Ornate Ironworks Apron of Crafting HQ (5x Tier V (100%)): 287/94/4.

Clearly the Ornate then becomes the most powerful because it is entirely cost-effective to exclusively use Tier V materia, hence making sense to keep it locked behind the heavy RNG inherent in Wondrous Tails (see: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...diculously-low )

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Originally Posted by RosalindDex

I thought it had been made fairly clear that the "Ornate" gear was a Wondrous Tails reward (shown on JP screenshot as "SP" gear variant of the Heavy Metal Cuirass of Maiming (that is the Ornate Heavy Metal Cuirass of Maiming)). I can't see an ornate upgrade item in of itself anywhere in the notes to suggest otherwise.
So the only difference between the (likely) rare Ornate Ironworks crafting gear and normal (crafted) Ironworks gear is that the Ornate variant has 5 100% slots, thus allowing sensible and affordable use of more Tier V materia to cap the stats on an item. For example the Ornate Ironworks Apron of Crafting is the same iLevel as the crafted Ironworks Apron of Crafting (i190). Therefore it's stats will be the same, meaning that prior to melding it is indeed inferior to the Augmented i200 Scrip gear. However following melds the i190 becomes superior to the i200, and with 5 100% slots for example:
Ironworks Apron of Crafting HQ (Unmelded): 254/80/4.
Augmented Hidekeep's Apron: 270/90/4.
Ironworks Apron of Crafting HQ (2x Tier V (100%), 3x Tier IV (Overmelds)): 277/91/4.
Ornate Ironworks Apron of Crafting HQ (5x Tier V (100%)): 287/94/4.

Clearly the Ornate then becomes the most powerful because it is entirely cost-effective to exclusively use Tier V materia, hence making sense to keep it locked behind the heavy RNG inherent in Wondrous Tails (see: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...diculously-low )

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if all you say is true then the first guy I was unjustly trolling is most correct.... most serious carfters already have all the current 190 gear and max melds; all but body & tools can already be capped so the only ornament worth investing in (if you didnt' already petameld V's on current) is the Apron.

And if there is a glam difference

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Originally Posted by javid

for sure this new 190 gear MAX STATS will be lower than the 195 gear max stats; by necessity of course; since SE already promised the max 195 would be the highest gear until 4.0; and how ridiculous would that be to introduce 195 one patch and he very next big patch make a cheaper version with similar max and 100% material melding slots???

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You may be a bit mistaken.
Only the ironworks weapons are 195. Regular ironworks pieces are 190.

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Originally Posted by javid

most serious carfters already have all the current 190 gear and max melds

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I doubt it. Some pieces are max'd sure, because the caps were low.
But because there wasn't anything to craft that was all that difficult (before this patch anyway) it would be gil-foolish to penta-meld the pieces that can't be capped. And I suspect many "serious" crafters therefore didn't bother, instead choosing to save their money and materia for post-patch melds.

Of course, if you just felt like blowing gil on bragging rights, and penta-melded your chest piece for that reason, hey, it's just a game, so why not?

There's no upgrade to Ironworks gear. The Ornate Ironworks Gear is the same thing but with 5 guaranteed melding slots, rather than the fewer slots on the normal gear. It can only be got through the incredibly rare chance of "winning" Wondrous Tails.

The real new crafter gear is the offhands & accessories in the Handmaster/Landmaster series that can now be bought with Blue Scrip Tokens & upgraded to Augmented using the Goblin Cups/Dice from Red Scrips.

Hope that clears things up.

I'm salty about the now upgradable i180 gear. I turned mine in for GC seals once my Ironworks were all pentamelded. I wanted my retainer space. If the stats don't give me a noticeable edge I will skip it. Fingers crossed. :(

The i200 Augmented Accessories are still garbage same as their i180 counterparts were even with the addition of one extra stat each (e.g. the earrings are +5 Crafts as well now). The i200 offhand is definitely a viable option though

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Originally Posted by RosalindDex

The i200 Augmented Accessories are still garbage same as their i180 counterparts were even with the addition of one extra stat each (e.g. the earrings are +5 Crafts as well now). The i200 offhand is definitely a viable option though

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Agreed, I really wish they would open the augmented gear to a few materia slots and then forbid over melding just to make them competitive with IW gear.

If I'm not mistaken, Ornate body pieces CAN be traded and sold. This means that they might not be as unavailable as folks might think. A certain percentage of the playerbase WILL manage the three-line win, and many of them will choose to sell the crafter body piece for a mint. There won't be a ton up for sale; probably less than a dozen on a highly-populated server - but for a wealthy crafter, it could be an option.

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If I'm not mistaken, Ornate body pieces CAN be traded and sold. This means that they might not be as unavailable as folks might think. A certain percentage of the playerbase WILL manage the three-line win, and many of them will choose to sell the crafter body piece for a mint. There won't be a ton up for sale; probably less than a dozen on a highly-populated server - but for a wealthy crafter, it could be an option.

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Assuming you wanna meld 3x materia V in the overmeld slots, you can value the chestpiece at the cost of (1/.17 + 1/.1 + 1/.07) x the price of the cheapest Materia V (control/craftsmanship) on your server on average. 5.88~ + 10 + 14.28~ = just over 30 Materia Vs
If Craftsmanship V's are going for 1mil I wouldn't pay more than like 35mil for it, and I assume it's going to be listed for more since people are scared of overmelding. It'll be interesting to see the price of it as I haven't seen one up yet