Could the range on healer LB3 be bumped up, or at least be given a visual indicator of its range as it's activating?
The biggest problem I see with it lately isn't really the fact that it gives weakness, but rather that people have no visual indicator of its range like ranged DPS get with their LBs, and therefore you end up getting people not paying heed to where they activate it and end up only reviving half their party with it... this happens often enough to the point where I'm not sure people even realize its range is limited. That, or sometimes people are just spread so far apart that the healer can't possibly cover everyone with it.
For the record, tanks get a 50y LB (whereas healers only get 30y). Sure, healers have a little more freedom to move than tanks usually do, but that doesn't exactly affect the positioning of one's party members, especially when they're usually dead and can't just {Gather together.} for that healer LB3.
Healer LB3 adjustments? Great! One more though...
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09-24-2016, 07:30 AMFynlarHealer LB3 adjustments? Great! One more though...
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09-24-2016, 08:23 AMAirget
With Magic and Range, the only ones who actually see the visual are the other players. It's mainly a notifier to let the tank know not to move the mobs from the location.
This wouldn't work for Healer LB3 because it's pretty much an instant cast that activates around you. So there is no need to show a visual to something that occurs in a split second. -
09-24-2016, 08:39 AMFynlarWell, with the caster LB at least, you have to pick the area it hits yourself (which is also a great boon that healer LB3 does not have), and you get to see the range it'll hit there, so that's not really an issue.Quote:
With Magic and Range, the only ones who actually see the visual are the other players. It's mainly a notifier to let the tank know not to move the mobs from the location.
Even if it was there for a split second, it would still help to teach players that "hey, the range on this isn't unlimited, maybe I should pay more attention to my positioning when I use it"Quote:
This wouldn't work for Healer LB3 because it's pretty much an instant cast that activates around you. So there is no need to show a visual to something that occurs in a split second.
That or they could just read the tooltip, but who does that? Moreover, it saying it has a 30y range doesn't necessarily give healers a good indication as to just how wide that is. I don't think healers even have any 30y range spells to practice with, and you can't practice with LBs when playing solo, obviously.
But that's why I think they should just up the range on healer LB, preferably to match the range of tank LB, but even something like 40y would be okay too. -
09-24-2016, 09:56 AMKaisha
I'd prefer they remove the 10 second animation lock first.
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09-24-2016, 11:16 AMFynlarIf they were going to do that I figure they would have already.Quote:
I'd prefer they remove the 10 second animation lock first.
But the (IMO) lack of range of the healer LB3 is something that I feel is more likely to have just slipped through the cracks rather than an intentional design choice, which is why I was compelled to make a thread on it. -
09-24-2016, 04:08 PMMomomiMomiThey could simply make it so activating it gives you a ground marker centered on yourself that you activate just like any other ground marking ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airget
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09-24-2016, 07:10 PMCulfinrandir
To be honest, LB3 for a healer is such a last resort that it should be range independent. All party members should be revived, providing they are in the same "room" as the caster.
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09-24-2016, 09:43 PMFynlarWell, that'd be nice, but they probably have to have SOME sort of range limit on it.Quote:
To be honest, LB3 for a healer is such a last resort that it should be range independent. All party members should be revived, providing they are in the same "room" as the caster.
50y like what tanks have would suffice nicely in most cases -- that's pretty much approaching "you'd have to be trying to NOT hit someone with this" territory. -
09-24-2016, 10:15 PMLaurimaso much this! few times I've fired off a LB3 only to be killed by the stupid animation lock shortly afterwards ><Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaisha
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09-24-2016, 10:26 PMMilesSaintboroguh
Well it's either you use it and sacrifice yourself to the next attack or hold onto it for dear life trying to decide when to use it and you eat an attack anyway, causing a wipe.
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09-24-2016, 11:38 PMKite19Ehm every healspell has a range of 30y :xQuote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
but yeah, would be nice to have a bigger range, it's not always feasable or possible to go to the middle of the room and hope to rezz everyone :x -
09-25-2016, 05:46 AMCulfinrandirWould that cover all arenas? What I'm concerned about is the "line of sight" bull poop that affects many spells etc. I have no idea if limit breaks are line of sight dependent but if they are that needs to be removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
I've been doing a lot of FATEs for Yokai as a new class - Archer/Bard which is so different from a caster. What I've noticed is that many times something is untargetable due to "line of sight" when it's only the flat of the foot is behind a rock or log. I can see 95% of the beast but can't attack. >_> -
09-25-2016, 05:48 AMCulfinrandirUnless it is an auto Fairy Embrace which, for reasons unknown, definitely dropped range when 3.0 was launched. I still don't think it has been acknowledged that it happened. I haven't solo healed for a month or two so assume it was fixed way back when first noticed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kite19
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09-25-2016, 06:28 AMJatoiGod, yes. I have to be careful how I'd time it or else the whole party is boned. There were times where I even died right afterwards as well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaisha
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09-25-2016, 07:09 AMAegisKiddoI love SE continuous contributions towards cheese strats, I can only thank them for reaffirming sac strats being legit; with cooldowns reset into the mix, I now dub all 'Alexander savage raids' as "sac strats the raid tier". I can't wait to see the cheeseQuote:
Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh
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09-25-2016, 07:17 AMMilesSaintboroguh
I don't know if people really will "cheese" raids with this when you can just avoid the whole thing with a DPS limit break and not screwing up.
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09-25-2016, 06:07 PMFynlarTalking about radius here, not range, blah blah blah. There isn't any 30y radius AOE healing spell that I'm aware of.Quote:
Ehm every healspell has a range of 30y :x
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09-26-2016, 12:28 AMKarstenSOr give it the same range as tank LB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynlar
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09-26-2016, 12:46 AMFynlarYeah, already suggested that as a templateQuote:
Or give it the same range as tank LB?
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09-26-2016, 02:29 AMNaria
A range indicator would be nice but I'd prefer a range expansion. There have been a few times that no matter where I stood, I would not be able to hit the whole party with LB3. Not to mention the times that I've seen another healer use the limit break and not realize it has a range in to begin with.
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09-26-2016, 03:58 AMThunda_Cat_SMASHLast I checked, the longest range for any GCD ability is 25y, healing spell or dps oriented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kite19
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09-26-2016, 04:25 AMErryKhttps://i.gyazo.com/2b4d9efb48155e36...945545825d.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH
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09-26-2016, 09:38 AMThunda_Cat_SMASH
Huh. Guess they changed it since I last checked in 2.3.