Paladin 4.0 - more AoE or still single target?

Hey just curious if you guys think paladin in 4.0 will have similar AoE capabilities in 4.0, or if it will remain a tank that specialises in single target? Ive seen some asking for a spammable damage aoe, and some asking for shield oath to smack people back, vengeance style. Perhaps its more in paladin's style to keep flash as the only spammable and have a couple more oGCD AoE's, allowing for a quick AoE lead and flashing to get a bit more aggro, but not spamming so enemies get blinded for the maximum amount of time.
Just a question after running unsynche dungeons with WAR and DRK vs PLD, where DA abyssal drain and bloodbath overpower do a lot for more for self sustainability in AoE situations. ofc im no good on paladin having rarely played, but as its no better than the other two in any situation (outside of CC which doesnt work against many bosses)

PLD has AOE capabilities? ( ' - '

I'll say the same thing for every "PLD AoE thread"
They should bring back Shield Swipe on GCD and made it a conal AoE (With balanced TP cost and potency...).

There was an equivalent skill called War Drum in 1.x.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

PLD has AOE capabilities? ( ' - '

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sorry i was counting circle of scorn as an AoE. its DoT though, i'd like at least something to synergise with bloodbath in an aoe situation at least

I like to imagine in 4.0 there will be fresh lvl50 job quests (just post 2.55 MSQ, no HW necessary). And in one of PLDs new quest, Aldis approaches the WoL and is like, "My bad dude, I should have taught you this back like at level 20." And the reward being a PLD AOE tool. Specifically Phalanx, as an AOE/Sustain stance, it cost like 120 TP to activate, and doesn't interfere with SwO/ShO.

While active some WS potencies are halved but made AOE, can block from the Flanks, TP regen, CoS 30% recast reset on block. Savage/RoH cone aoe @ half potency, Riot/Goring column aoe @ half potency. Serves some purpose for single target as a sustain tool like AST Lightspeed.

Not really picky, won't be salty if it's just an Unleashed/Overpower/AD that is given to PLD, but something unique like the above would be appreciated.

Really though, what other priority would SE add to PLD toolkit in 4.0?

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Probably Clemency II... ..Flash II...
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Originally Posted by Ashur

sorry i was counting circle of scorn as an AoE. its DoT though, i'd like at least something to synergise with bloodbath in an aoe situation at least

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Circle of Scorn starts with a 100 potency hit which does trigger bloodbath.

Thinking about things, one of the simplest ways to boost Paladin AoE output could be to increase CoS's initial potency, DoT potency and decrease the recast timer to 15s.

A potency of 200, DoT of 50 and recast of 15s would make it roughly 30 potency per second per target. Though that would mean that Paladin AoE is more sustained damage rather than burst damage.

The initial hit triggers bloodbath sure, but thats such a tiny, tiny amount. especially when the DoT aspect doesnt do anything with bloodbath. I Don't want paladin to necessarily have a spammable AoE like everyone else, flash works for that but reducing CoS's recast is one thing, perhaps adding more oGCD skills or DoT aggro generation would be interesting. Consecrated ground, harming enemies who step inside (a ground based DoT), or just some insta-cast AoEs with a cooldown. can used bloodbath to burst up a bit of health with all at once, then wait til they come off cooldown using general defensive buffs. This basically leads to a class where you'll go in, build up a load of aggro, then spend your time hiding behind your shield and focusing on defence until youre ready to retailate. My only problem with that is it may be hard to balance for single target boss fights, where a paladin OT may pull aggro using their oGCDs as they would, or as mt it would play similarly to drk with building a huge aggro lead and then just going through dps rotations.

Circle of light. A blinding ground aoe. Any enemies inside the circle will ignore enmity and focus on the player inside. If two or more players are inside the aoe, enemies will attack player with highest enmity. Basically it blinds the mobs to the existence of anyone outside the circle.

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Originally Posted by bardaboo

Circle of light. A blinding ground aoe. Any enemies inside the circle will ignore enmity and focus on the player inside. If two or more players are inside the aoe, enemies will attack player with highest enmity. Basically it blinds the mobs to the existence of anyone outside the circle.

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Ooh could even put a traited mana regen effect on pld so they could spam more flash

I think the aoe tank route is DRK.
Most likely PLD will get party buffs like Divine Veil.

I actually had an idea for a new Paladin ability that I would like to share, but before I do I would like to say that I think there is room for SE to get more creative with abilities without going too over the top.

It would be called Sacred Ground. It would place a small radium AoE field around the Paladin, much like Doton for Ninja, and it would have two effects. The first is that party members will receive a small potency regen effect while within the field, building upon the "White Mage" part of Paladin. The second effect applies to enemies. Any enemies standing within the field that are hit by Flash will receive damage, thus introducing a creative way for Paladin's AoE enmity generator to inflict damage without putting damage on the ability itself. And due to the regen effect provided by Sacred Ground it would still have value even in situations where AoE damage isn't necessary. The "dumbed down" version would be for it to regen allies and deal DoT to enemies, but I would prefer to have it interactive with Flash as that can allow for controlled AoE damage spikes.