Sole Survivor is poop.

That's right. Sole Survivor is a poop skill. In its current state, it pales in comparison to the mighty edgelord skill it COULD be.

Sole Survivor can only be cast on ENEMIES. Now, sure, it gives you a huge chunk of HP and MP back, but really now -- who cares about HP and MP? It's the fact that you can't cast it on your friends which makes this skill blasphemy. I bet my fellow edgelord friends can relate to my anguish; there are times when I sense a party member's impending doom, yet I can do nothing but watch as they are KO'd and their soul flies from my grasp. Their SOULS ARE BELONG TO ME, for why else would I have them in my party!?

So this is my suggestion: Make it so that us mighty edgelords may cast Sole Survivor on our own party members. That would make for some serious fun times, as casting sole survivor on your friends is pretty much like saying "you dead, bro".

P.S. If it was possible to cast Sole Survivor on yourself, that would make for some interesting interactions between Dark Knight's skillset -- specifically with Living Dead.

While I love Sole Survivor, I can't help but smile at the idea of using Dragoons as free health potions.

Then you get banned for harrassing the DRG that can't dodge aoes by using it on him on cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Launched

Then you get banned for harrassing the DRG that can't dodge aoes by using it on him on cooldown.

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Yep, this is why using it on party members is never happening.

Though using it on yourself might be kinda neat. Might save your AST a GCD if you aren't running WHM for Bene. Dunno if it's really worth the dev time, but don't imagine it doing any harm.

I like this suggestion a lot, because it would make it more useful in boss fights (in boss fights without adds it actually becomes useful), it is funny, and matches the description of the spell better than how it currently works.

As satisfying as properly timing SS/mercy stroke is, being able to self target it would be the coolest thing ever.

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Originally Posted by ArdorGrey

As satisfying as properly timing SS/mercy stroke is, being able to self target it would be the coolest thing ever.

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Yeah, a self-targetted Sole Survivor would not only interact in an interesting way with Living/Walking Dead, but it would also reinforce the "undying" theme of the Dark Knight.

Its a great move I love using it to help with heals and it restores your MP

The thought of it being applied to yourself as a sort of nope button is amusing, but I would love to see it keep the PVP trait of increasing damage to the target.

i was just thinking that it would be cool if you could maybe stack sole survivor like wrath/deliverance and then unleash it somehow, some kind of lore like gathering souls of the fallen.

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Originally Posted by DestroyerOfLargePlanets

So this is my suggestion: Make it so that us mighty edgelords may cast Sole Survivor on our own party members. That would make for some serious fun times, as casting sole survivor on your friends is pretty much like saying "you dead, bro".

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I remember at one of the first places DRK was really showed off (that castle event somewhere in Europe) it was reported that Sole Survivor could be used on party members. I was so excited for the ability to give my friends the mark of shame.

Plz SE.

The real question comes to what benefit would DRK have by placing Sole Survivor on himself? Living Dead still needs to be healed up within 10s, and the current ability for placing it on enemies is A LOT easier than trying to Mercy Stroke. If it had to have another use in DRK's Toolkit, what would it be?

The challenges of DRK are mainly Attaining and Keeping Aggro(as goes with generally playing any tank), and MP/TP Management. It makes it considerably harder to master once you obtain Dark Arts, which opens up a lot of avenues for your own utility(i.e. +30% Magic Damage reduction Dark Arts Dark Mind) and Dark Arts Souleater. However, managing MP is probably the hardest part of the class. What I would think Sole Survivor could do is possibly reduce a small amount of Dark Arts' MP Cost on the next application to Souleater, C&S, etc. so that you can use Dark Arts a bit more often when needed since MP can go pretty fast if you're using it for Dark Arts DPS most of the time.

..Though that's just my opinion and idea. I'm open to criticism if you have it.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

The real question comes to what benefit would DRK have by placing Sole Survivor on himself? Living Dead still needs to be healed up within 10s, and the current ability for placing it on enemies is A LOT easier than trying to Mercy Stroke. If it had to have another use in DRK's Toolkit, what would it be?

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Maybe they think that if you're not healed and Walking Dead wears off, your death will give you back 20% of your HP max...I guess...

I personally was along the lines of you pop both at the same time, and once your walking dead your "dead", which automatically gives you a chunk of HP back to help the healers.

Its a great skill on paper, but it'd be nice if it that extra bit. Like it got the PVP trait, or if it actually popped off you got the CD reduced.

My hero, you can soul survivor me any time ;D

Tossing it on the slow guy who can't dodge AoEs during Titan Ex would be advantageous. I approve of this.

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Originally Posted by Rhaja

I personally was along the lines of you pop both at the same time, and once your walking dead your "dead", which automatically gives you a chunk of HP back to help the healers.

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Except that living dead doesn't allow your HP to drop to 0, thus preventing Sole Survivor to activate.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Maybe they think that if you're not healed and Walking Dead wears off, your death will give you back 20% of your HP max...I guess...

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That would be OP though. It would cheese tankbusters in a similar way to Holmgang, and DRK already has Living Dead as an invulnerability move. As an aside...

SS cast on a target OTHER than self:
- Returns HP/MP when target dies.
- Returns HP/MP when target transitions from Living to Walking Dead. (ie: DRK casts SS on another DRK)

SS cast on self:
- Returns HP/MP when target (self) transitions from Living Dead to Walking Dead. Purpose: To help healers top you off. (Slight buff)
- Will NOT replenish HP/MP if KO'd. (ie: Sole purpose is to aid healers in topping you off after the Living Dead > Walking Dead transition).

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Except that living dead doesn't allow your HP to drop to 0, thus preventing Sole Survivor to activate.

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wrong.

walking dead is the effect wich doesn't allow your HP to drop to 0.

but to activate walking dead you actually have to die under the effect of living dead. and because you died you could activate the effect from sole surviver.

1. *Tank swap coming*

2. *WAR-bro MTing*

3. "I wonder how many vuln+ stacks...?"

4. *Sole Survivor*

5. *Take voke off hotbar*

6. *Popcorn*

7. *Profit, HP and MP*

Just lower the recast and I'd be happy. But I like

Corpse explode, when victim dies, kabloom nearby enemies take damage and the SS debuff is spread to them (at full duration). It's called Another Victim right.. Game of dominos anyone?

I'd be happy with adding the PVP debuff of sole survivor to PVE.

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Originally Posted by Tint

wrong.

walking dead is the effect wich doesn't allow your HP to drop to 0.

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Your HP still don't drop to 0 when Walking Dead activates.
But, if you want to be technical, Living Dead prevents you from being "KO", and Sole Surviror activates when the target is "KO".

To sort out the Living Dead->Walking Dead Mechanic, it's way different from Holmgang than you may think. Holmgang just straight up prevents you from having your HP reduced to 0, unless a certain attack ignores the status and does damage anyway(enrages, etc. that ignore all Invincible/Undying states such as Hallowed Ground and Living Dead).

For Walking Dead to become active, the Living Dead state must be active and the PC would've had to take >=(CurrentHP) damage, not counting any type of shield. Their HP would fall to 0, but the Walking Dead state becomes active before it sets your character in the Defeated state, granting you 10s to recover HP equal to your MaxHP before 10s runs out. Your HP is set to 1 when the Walking Dead state becomes active, and is also considered an Undying state similar to Holmgang(until the timer runs out).

This. Is. An amazing suggestion. Amazing.

When I first read about the skill before getting it, I had assumed (given the skill name) that it would only be usable on party members. There was a small part of me that was disappointed I couldn't.