How much "output" stat do you need to get additional gathering chances?

Has anyone done any testing on this? If trying to max output on my miner gear is not going to be enough to add any additional gathering chances, then I may as well try to maximize perception instead.

I'm a level 35 miner at the moment.

Hamster, you're an adder - I recommend picking up a Gridanian Doublet from the Order. The +20 Output will generally do it for you, but feel free to tweak with other things like gloves for a few more points to get the extra attempt if that doesn't do the trick.

This isn't tested, but I've got the feeling that it's around 25-ish in output.

But maximize Gathering before you maximize Perception once you start mining in Grade 5 areas - chance of success isn't something you want to neglect.

You're advising hamster to get a gridanian doublet, something I'd like to get as well. Are you supposed to have the job up to the level requirement of the item before you can buy it with seals?

There's a good thread about output in the Botany forums:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...49-Output-capp.

Seems the max amount of gathers you can make at a node is 8, so once you have enough output to get 8 gathers, it's best to pump up some other stat.

I tested it Renta its Output+20-21 for 5 attempts @ level 35. If you want 6 attempts your gonna have to go past my output+48 to find out, it's all I could muster up with the gear available at 35.

Just to state.. im not sure the output number for lower levels.. but at lvl 50.. minimum Output 115 will net you 8 attempts

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Originally Posted by Grudgebringer

Just to state.. im not sure the output number for lower levels.. but at lvl 50.. minimum Output 115 will net you 8 attempts

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To be exact, it's actually 114.

It might be different for BOT or miner.. or even depending on base stats? I fully tested this about a week ago and 114 was still giving me 7.

/shrug My testing was done at the beginning of March, and I can't give firsthand info for miner, but after posting the 114 number on BG, I got a response from a 50 MIN that came to the same results.

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/991...ead/page26#506

I didn't test base stats either, so you might be onto something there. Not a huge deal either way.

Yep.. either way at 114 or 115 you can start to put stats elsewhere. My LS and I have been trying to test VIT/MND effect on gathering as well as ability Proc. So far we are leaning towards a VIT/Perception build

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Originally Posted by Grudgebringer

Yep.. either way at 114 or 115 you can start to put stats elsewhere. My LS and I have been trying to test VIT/MND effect on gathering as well as ability Proc. So far we are leaning towards a VIT/Perception build

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Im doing a MND/Perception build myself, I tried VIT perception already...so now im onto MND.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Im doing a MND/Perception build myself, I tried VIT perception already...so now im onto MND.

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What is your setup without food?

I have 153 perception, 273 mnd. (I SP tarred belts, normal electrum earrings/raptor choker, and wear +1 SP wrist instead of hq mnd) Otherwise I could use a +1 earring and a +1 raptor belt for 3 more perception.

Before I ran a 160 perception build and while I was getting about 12 hq ores per stack of 99, I am noticing master of rock proc'ing a lot more upping my hq yield to about 19 hq ores per stack of 99 normal.

I want to say it proc's about 1 in 3 nodes, where as before it was proc'ing about 1 in 5.

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Originally Posted by Reonlasbard

You're advising hamster to get a gridanian doublet, something I'd like to get as well. Are you supposed to have the job up to the level requirement of the item before you can buy it with seals?

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The GC store will sell you anything you want if you have the seals, have the required GC rank, and, if it's Unique, you don't already have one in your inventory. Whether or not you can use it is your worry. You can buy it whenever, but you don't have one of the six classes it requires at the required level of 25, you won't be able to equip it.

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

What is your setup without food?

I have 153 perception, 273 mnd. (I SP tarred belts, normal electrum earrings/raptor choker, and wear +1 SP wrist instead of hq mnd) Otherwise I could use a +1 earring and a +1 raptor belt for 3 more perception.

Before I ran a 160 perception build and while I was getting about 12 hq ores per stack of 99, I am noticing master of rock proc'ing a lot more upping my hq yield to about 19 hq ores per stack of 99 normal.

I want to say it proc's about 1 in 3 nodes, where as before it was proc'ing about 1 in 5.

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im at 145 perception 160 with food(which i usually do). I have mind ring and mind materia, ill have to double meld my glasses to gain a lil more. Also i can prob scrap my gatherers ring for a mind ring since my output is around 125.

just checked my mind is 235 so a lil extra materia and HQ rings and ill be good, ty for the info.

The best in slot items I have found for miner are as follows

Head - Felt Coif of Toiling +1 (26 percept) You can slot mnd
Chest - Woolen Doublet of Vit (18 percept) You can slot vit, HQ only increases the magic craft/vit (depending if you want vit) and not the percept
Waist - Raptor Skin Survival Belt +1 (14 percept)
Legs - Raptorskin Culottes of the Mind / Ul'dahn Culottes (8 percept) / Linen Bottom +1 (8 percept) You can slot Mnd/Piety on the non company pants (it's the cheapest atm)
Feet - Raptorskin Workboots of the Mind / Linen Gaiters / Dodoskin Espadrilles +1 (5 percept)
Earring - Electrum earring +1 (6 percept)
Neck - Raptor Choker +1
Wrist - HQ mnd/vit wrist
Ring - HQ mnd/vit ring with your company ring

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

What is your setup without food?

I have 153 perception, 273 mnd. (I SP tarred belts, normal electrum earrings/raptor choker, and wear +1 SP wrist instead of hq mnd) Otherwise I could use a +1 earring and a +1 raptor belt for 3 more perception.

Before I ran a 160 perception build and while I was getting about 12 hq ores per stack of 99, I am noticing master of rock proc'ing a lot more upping my hq yield to about 19 hq ores per stack of 99 normal.

I want to say it proc's about 1 in 3 nodes, where as before it was proc'ing about 1 in 5.

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Current set up is 147 Perception, 285 Mnd. Once I hq my toif of coiling (have the mats now) then itll be 151 Perception and 285 Mnd. My goal is to reach the 300 mnd mark, but im going to have to either

1) drop my perception from 151 to 144
or
2) Double my hq felt coif of toiling, which will cost me lots of money if im unlucky lol!

So we'll see how it goes aha. I might switch out my linen bottoms for my raptorskin culottes of mind just to test the difference between having 300 mind and 151 perception. Ima try for that double meld first. If I fail then we'll see.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

Current set up is 147 Perception, 285 Mnd. Once I hq my toif of coiling (have the mats now) then itll be 151 Perception and 285 Mnd. My goal is to reach the 300 mnd mark, but im going to have to either

1) drop my perception from 151 to 144
or
2) Double my hq felt coif of toiling, which will cost me lots of money if im unlucky lol!

So we'll see how it goes aha. I might switch out my linen bottoms for my raptorskin culottes of mind just to test the difference between having 300 mind and 151 perception. Ima try for that double meld first. If I fail then we'll see.

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I couldn't muster the courage to double my +1 coif so I just threw a 20 mind in it.

I could drop my crafting ring and wear another +1 mnd but I dont like lowering percept anymore then it already is

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Originally Posted by Meatdawg

I couldn't muster the courage to double my +1 coif so I just threw a 20 mind in it.

I could drop my crafting ring and wear another +1 mnd but I dont like lowering percept anymore then it already is

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Well I just had a friend try to make two for me, but one blew up, so i just single melded it. So 285 mnd 151 perception, which is 166 perception with my food. Honestly I wouldn't mind having 160 perception with food, which means I can drop about 6 perception. Hmm I just meld some culottes and see how that works. It wont get me 300 but ill at least be over 290. That might not make much of a difference tho, fml.

Guess ill have to double meld that hq dolabora after all lol. FFFFFFFUUUUU

I've slowly started building up MIND and I definitely noticed the proc with Master of Rock go up. Just got my MIND to 301 and test tomorrow. But at 296 MIND I can reliably count on it proccing at each node. It's very rare to see it not proc...like 8/10 node is a proc.