Final Dragonsong Tale posted.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../#sidestory_08

Will edit in thoughts after reading it.

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It was a great read, very interesting to see that letter and learn more about the exchange between Haurchefant and his father. It also appears whoever posted it accidentally posted the story twice in a row.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

It also appears whoever posted it accidentally posted the story twice in a row.

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This was likely intentional. The first is for male player characters, and the second is if your character is female.

As for the story, I'm glad we got to see more about the Warrior of Light's #1 fan. It's a good way to end these side stories, even though it doesn't give us too much new info besides Haurchefant's relationship with his father.

I think the whole business about the deeds to Dragonhead is to give some backstory to the incoming Ishgard Appartment Housing. One of the Dragonhead NPCs has been saying since the end of 3.0 that Haurchefant wanted us to be able to use the Falling Snows as a permanent base.

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Originally Posted by FJerome

I think the whole business about the deeds to Dragonhead is to give some backstory to the incoming Ishgard Appartment Housing. One of the Dragonhead NPCs has been saying since the end of 3.0 that Haurchefant wanted us to be able to use the Falling Snows as a permanent base.

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The "Greystone Mansion" does have a nice ring to it, haha!

On topic, though, I thought it was a good way to end the stories. And I always like when the writers inject just that little bit of character into the Warrior of Light. Because so much of their character is decided by our responses, even a little comment by the writers sounds much more impactful.

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Originally Posted by Khalithar

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../#sidestory_08

Will edit in thoughts after reading it.

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It was a great read, very interesting to see that letter and learn more about the exchange between Haurchefant and his father. It also appears whoever posted it accidentally posted the story twice in a row.

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I think it was a goof with the function to switch between male and female WOL. The previous story lets you switch genders.

You seriously trying to tell me they use ravens to convey messages in Westeros Eorzea? Is this backed up anywhere in-game? Should've just used pigeons like real life and FF6-life,

Shouldn't need birds of any kind, really. Linkpearls seem to be known to NPCs and commonplace. Got a little bit caught up in the medieval atmosphere, and forgot that Eorzea essentially has telephones!

I wasn't too impressed with this offering. The bulk of it was in showing us how much Haurchefant regarded us as a dear and true friend - as though that hasn't been hammered into us thoroughly already. The most interesting bit was the fact that his old man was apparently reluctant at first to provide us refuge - there certainly was no hint of that in any of our dialogues with him in-game so that, at least, was something new, and it lends support to the idea that the man is a capable politician, able to greet someone warmly and cordially whom he was not-so-long ago willing to leave out in the cold.

All in all, I found this batch of Tales to be a bit disappointing. They didn't provide a lot of insight into characters that we didn't already know or strongly suspect. Even the first, which I consider the best, didn't tell us anything about Charibert that we didn't already know - that he's a sadistic psychopath. It, at least, had the excitement of a duel to keep it afloat!

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

forgot that Eorzea essentially has telephones!

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I believe you mean ... shellphones.

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The Warrior of light, Slayer of Gods. Rider of Dragons. Savior of Ishgard. We are giving Dany T a run for her money.

SE how often do you want to stomp onto my broken heart...Q_Q? While its nice to see all those little story parts about Haurchefant, its also really heartbreaking to know that not only he will be gone from the story of this game after Heavensward (maybe some small mentions here and there) but that he will also be forever gone from the game too. :(

I kinda feel like his death is milked now since they know now that a lot of players liked his character. :/ Probably will stop reading anything about him in the future since its still hurts way to much (strange since I normaly get over such things way better). Please SE..if you have no plans to ever bring him back alive..please let him just rest in peace don't ever use him as any more means to invoke even more drama and sadness in our characters..

(Welp at least give me the chance to kick that servant, for loosing something precious as that letter..)

I am pretty disappointed that the last story was pretty much about Haurchefant, again. Yeah, it confirms that his mother loved Edmont and vice-versa and that she willingly left to preserve his honor and that it wasn't easy to convince Edmont to let the WoL in Ishgard, but this could have been mentioned in one of the other stories that featured him

Though it seems as if "The Game" is still a thing in Ishgardian politics

Would have been nice to hear about Hilda and folks at the Brume now that there's a House of Commons to represent them. Or even Hraesvalgr's brood and how they feel in all this.

Hokay - All caught up! (All languages, etc.)

Again, nothing all that different; no greater revelations. However, despite the lack of new information and focus on character feelings, we've been reading little confirmations of our assumptions into each entry, so I'd like to do that once more. What struck me here was the relationship between Haurchefant and Edmont from the son's point of view.

To rewind a bit, since 3.0, it's been looking as though SE was channeling Jon Snow with Haurchefant (at least, the tale Eddard Stark would have had us believe). Artoirel tells that Edmont always had a soft spot for his bastard son and wouldn't really refuse him anything, and the former count was obviously devastated by his death. Edmont, like Eddard, was obviously a man of duty and honor, so it's hard to imagine that he would have undertaken an affair lightly or in the absence of love. I wouldn't have expected, however, that as far as Haurchefant was concerned, the two never really broke the ice.

Based on Artoirel's comments, I had assumed that Haurchefant knew that if he pressured his father he would eventually accept that it important to him and give in. Rather, it seems that Haurchefant's passion and logic had less to do with persuading Edmont than the fact that he felt strongly enough about it to break the barrier that had always been between them. However each had felt, and however each had assumed the other had felt, the pair had always communicated concisely as lord and knight, and here was Haurchefant opening up about his feelings and truly petitioning his father as his son do to act as their house should act.

Much of the Tale seemed to re-tread over "Haurchefant may not have said everything he felt, but you know. You know." yet again.

But that part got to me.

Still, It still seems odd to me that last year's theme was repeated, but by wandering through small events seemingly invented for the Tales to show how people feel rather than exploring any pre-existing events that lacked hows or whys. Sure, it's probably too soon to go whipping out Tales from the Fall of Ala Mhigo or Tales from the Ala Mhigan Resistance or anything... But it's surprising that we went through 8 stories without hearing anything of how Hilde went about organizing the rabble and keeping the peace. And I think it'd have been really interesting to see the fall of Val through Krile's eyes or dig into Urianger's thoughts on his interactions with Elidibus as we drum up the Warriors of Darkness for 3.4+. They were great reads, and I'm grateful they continued to put them out for the anniversaries. It just seems a bit odd, lol.

Yet another reflection on Haurchefant feels a little anticlimactic compared to the Lolorito story we got last year, but I guess milking the cow 'til it's dry is better than simply leaving the cow in an oubliette to starve to death, forgotten and alone as people stomp about on the trapdoor. But I'm biased like that.

We should go beat up Lolorito and take Heartstrike to revive Haurchefant so we can open the Crystal Tower again with Nero and a contingent of peaceful Garlean Magitek Engineers. This will solve everyone's problems. Bonus points if we fit Ascians in there.

Honestly, I'm getting a really bad feeling the WoD are going to do something to us that tears apart our relationships with everyone. Or changes our perceptions of them. All these confirmations of seemingly small, but important, feelings...feels like it's foreshadowing something really bad

Eldibus gave Urianger a Red Behelit, and he's going to offer the other Scions in sacrifice to become an Ascian.

I think I would have liked the story more had it been either of Haurchefant’s brothers that found/read the letter while visiting Dragonhead. MSQ made it clear they weren’t all that close with him and they didn’t think highly of us (at first). Through Haurchefant convincing the Count to let us into the picture, they were able to grow into better men themselves - like the letter said they would. It would have been nice to see some reflection on their part.

I miss Haurchey, but I already knew we were besties.

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Honestly, I'm getting a really bad feeling the WoD are going to do something to us that tears apart our relationships with everyone. Or changes our perceptions of them. All these confirmations of seemingly small, but important, feelings...feels like it's foreshadowing something really bad

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That would be pretty refreshing and cool - assuming that the consequences are far reaching and long lasting. Unfortunately I can't help but fear that we'd just get another climax that results in things working out very well for almost everybody involved.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Eldibus gave Urianger a Red Behelit, and he's going to offer the other Scions in sacrifice to become an Ascian.

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Okay Fen.... you've been Berserk binging again haven't you? Just put the Dragon Slayer down and nobody gets hurt.....

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Honestly, I'm getting a really bad feeling the WoD are going to do something to us that tears apart our relationships with everyone. Or changes our perceptions of them. All these confirmations of seemingly small, but important, feelings...feels like it's foreshadowing something really bad

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INB4

• Urianger betrays the Scions.
• Urianger tries to get the WoL to betray the Scions
• Alisale betrays the scions
• The Warriors of Darkness conjure up a clone of their counterpart (i.e. us) to tarnish our name
• The Ascians build up a cult of personality around us, and make us a primal (for the Warriors of Darkness to kill, or leave as a moral dilemma for the Scions, Hydealyn and the newly minted deiform)
• The Ascians cause a mass invasion of the City States feat. Primals, leaving a good majority of the populace as thralls.
• The Ascians reveal Ysayle and Thordian's tricks to Garlemald causing them to amp up their efforts and Attempt to bring the 7th Astral Era to a close and wipe out Eorzea and all her inhabitants in one fell swoop.
• Garlemald, for some reason does something other then genocide, but no less horrible. Be it mass brainwashing, attempting to remove sapience from Eorzea's inhabitants or going straight for the destruction of the Lifestream (and Hydaelyn) and the very concept of aether itself. (if the last part, then they will likely fail and just make a metaphysical mess)
• Another Villain. Worse than Garlemald and unrelated to existing groups pops up from nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

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Patch is called "Soul Surrender"...besides the jokes, it sounds like something *bad* is going to happen for sure

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Patch is called "Soul Surrender"...besides the jokes, it sounds like something *bad* is going to happen for sure

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Yeah, as "bad" as 2.5 was.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

The Warrior of light, Slayer of Gods. Rider of Dragons. Savior of Ishgard. We are giving Dany T a run for her money.

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I'll take any of these and all of these together as an in-game title please.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Yeah, as "bad" as 2.5 was.

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Well...at least there's only 30 days to wait for the answers we seek!

As long as that "bad" wont be just glossed over in the expansion and solved as a side thing...(yes I find the solution to 2.55 sad). You know if Patch 3.4 really will be about the WoD maybe they should have made the last story about Darklander and get us some inside on them..At least this would have been way better than another story that just makes me feel even angrier at SE for killing Haurchefant...

But hey at least its nice to know that he was not that good with papers :D...

Like Anonymoose, I was expecting more Scions from the Tales, but perhaps unlike him, I was pretty disappointed that we didn't get more than just Alphinaud and Alisaie. Not that I don't love those kids, but getting some insight from any of the other Scions like Krile would have been really great.

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I kinda feel like his death is milked now since they know now that a lot of players liked his character. :/ Probably will stop reading anything about him in the future since its still hurts way to much (strange since I normaly get over such things way better). Please SE..if you have no plans to ever bring him back alive..please let him just rest in peace don't ever use him as any more means to invoke even more drama and sadness in our characters..

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I don't know that we can call it milking when Haurchefant was already an important secondary character throughout the entirety of HW. In other words, if any single NPC was bound to get a story, it was him. I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him make a comeback in the future as our guardian angel, though I would personally prefer it if we didn't get that kind of magical boost.

@Tenkuu: Maybe milking might not be the best term to use there, but I just feel like they love to use him to create more emotional distress. He is the only character that got two stories as far as I can remember, we got a lot of items for him ingame and a lot of sad scenes about him. It just that I don't know how to feel about it anymore. He was my favorite character in the whole game and after his death Eorzea feels so dark and somehow it kinda threw me out of the ingame story. (Just cant enjoy it that much anymore) And now next to all that sadness the last story is about him again but we barely learn anything new. (And that lost letter is such a tease T_T)

I am happy that we got the minion and things like that and that they did not threat him like they did with Moen or Ysayle but at the same time I would love to trade those all in for him being alive. Maybe I am just too salty that they killed him...(Strangely Ysayle was my favorite female character and yet I am at peace with her death..)

At the end they taught me the lesson to never get emotional invested in another character again d^^.

Eh, Haurchefant doesn't have a two Tales uniqueness, imo. The predecessor to Tales from the Dragonsong War featured both a Nanamo and a Leivelleur twin article. (Tales from the Calamity)

While it's definitely true Haurchefant is the only person to receive two stories in the same series, he certainly isn't the only person to receive two anniversary stories. (If that makes any sense?)

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Originally Posted by Rocl

While it's definitely true Haurchefant is the only person to receive two stories in the same series, he certainly isn't the only person to receive two anniversary stories. (If that makes any sense?)

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Sorry should have been a little more clear with my post. I did mean it as "two tales in one series". :) True main characters like the twins and other scions might get more stories along the way but it was just a little strange to read two stories of one character in one series. I really love his character so it might sound a little strange, but I wished that they had featured another character in the last one, for example Hilda. (Maybe its just hit me so hard because it will probably be his last story that we will ever read :(..)

I don't know, I think you had the right term with milked - they're really trying too hard in their push to make you care for him.

For those who are relatively neutral or perhaps don't even like him for whatever reason (I find his advances creepy and the Japanese version outright disturbing), it's almost too much. Our character has shown more pain over losing Haurchefant than we did the entire Scions in 2.55 - and those are characters from 1.0.

3.0's ending and the end to the 3.3 sidequest were really more than enough. At this point it's almost like it's beating a dead horsebird.

Haurchefant gave a damn about the warrior of light. That's why they mourn his death. The scions seem to treat the warrior of light like an emotionless soldier that has a common cause while Haurchefant went above and beyond to make sure the WOL's needs were met and had strings pulled to make sure they could get asylum in Ishgard.

Haurchefant is a mixed case for me. I didn't think much of him in ARR and his cameo in the New Year's event creeped me out. When I found out what he was like in Japanese I was relieved that the English localization team toned him down to be honest.
I appreciated him a lot more in Heavenward. He proved himself as a true friend to the WoL in their hour of need. I don't know if I'd call all his stories milking-I'd say it's more like how we keep getting more stuff for Edda. SE knows that he has a large following in the fanbase and is catering to that.

As for the Scions, I see it brought up a lot that they don't care about the WoL as a person. Playing through ARR again on an alt I didn't really see that, except maybe from Alphinaud. Their relationships are professional but they always ask your character to go on these dangerous missions and thank them for risking themselves for Eorzea. They celebrate the WoL's victories and safe return both. They do fight alongside you on occasion and have their own parts to play in missions, though the structure of the story doesn't let them get much done on screen. Minfilia confides in the WoL about her worries for the future and thanks them for being a pillar of strength.
I think my favourite part of ARR is when you return to the Waking Sands after Praetorium and get a "hero's welcome" from the major npcs. Perhaps the WoL isn't best friends with the Scions but I never felt like they didn't care or only saw them as a tool.

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Well, being professional/just business is probably a better way to describe it as you have put it. It just never goes beyond that, which makes it feel like you're only on beck and call whenever they need help. Heck, most NPCs in general don't really treat the WOL any differently, at least from what I seen.

Which is what the 30-50 DRK quests touch up on, with the WOL's inner self getting sick of being treated as a thankless hero.

I can understand that it must be quite annoying to have so many scenes with him if you don't like him. At the same time he will be gone from the story from now on so you wont have to care about his character anymore. Really it would have been perfect (for me at least) if he was badly wounded on that day, we get some small scenes with him recovering and after HW ended he would have been another side character that might get some mention or not but would have stayed out of the story (maybe having a lasting wound or something along the way). But yeah since that will never happen now I am at one side happy about all those scenes, but at the other hand I am feeling like they truly just killed him of to have something tragic. (Since he has a lot of fans they would be able to make it quite tragic for a lot of players..and thus having some easy written emotional scenes in the game..okay..maybe I am really just salty...)

At least Ysayle did not only save us from a certain death which we ourselves could not have stopped but she also stopped the Garlean from going to Eorzea sooner...so she changed the course of the story...maybe thats why I can accept her death?

Dear SE..can I go into Alexander, turn back time and save him?? (One can still dream right?:p)

About scions:
I am with MilesSaintboroguh on this. We care and mourn him because he was one of the only true friends of the WoL. He saved our life not because we were Eorzea's hope but because he liked/loved us as a person. He was also always trying to cheer us up and took us in when nobody else gave us shelter. The scions might like us in some way too, but more as a fighter against the darkness and less like a true friend (imo). I mean everyone will feel different about them, but I was feeling more along the way of being a stranger that they needed, to fight against any primal threat and not truly as part of their inner team. They know each other for years and here I am, feeling like a fifth wheel. Alphinaud and Tataru are feeling more like friends now and are also one of my remaining liked characters in the game. (Which means that they might die somewhere along the way...:eek:)

They may thank you and are happy that we are unhurt, but do they truly care about our own happiness and our state of mind? Minfilia should know that we already have a lot of weight on our shoulders since a loss could mean the end of the world and yet she still leans on us even more and tells us her worries..how about asking us how we feel? Can we lean on them if we need it? They already sent us to dangerous primals, where one mistake could be our end and yet they give us more missions which they could have done on their own too. Really thats why it would be nice if the WoL ends up being badly wounded once..so that they might realize that we are only humans too..

Welp thats all quite off topic...but I like discussing about it. xD'''