I have recently gotten my ninja to 60, but I am not really sure if I am performing well enough.
So far I have only done normal dungeons, but I hope to got to raids and EX fights as ninja in the future.
When I play as WHM, I really only think about: "Is everyone alive? Yes. Good. Time to DPS."
But I rarely think about how effective my DPS is.
As a ninja, at first I asked: "Is stuff dying? Yes. Good.", but unlike a healer, I can't simply think this way at level 60.
I need to be able to meet DPS checks and I need to be responsible for making dungeons move quickly.
For example, I was doing Nidhogg EX and A5 Savage as a WHM with mostly FC members.
In A5 we couldn't kill the final add fast enough, and we couldn't meet the time limit.
In Nidhogg EX, the group had trouble killing the 3 adds repeatedly.
They were talking about how DPS isn't enough. Even though I was WHM, I DPSed as in between heals. Despite that, we still couldn't make it in time.
It was FC members and friends, so it never got heated but, I began to realize that I really need to know how much DPS I am doing when I play a Ninja.
How do I know if I am contributing enough DPS? Using enmity isn't effective because I used Shadewalker and other jobs have their enmity reducing skills too.
So, how can I tell?
How can I tell if I am doing enough damage?
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08-24-2016, 06:42 PMFinaSelHow can I tell if I am doing enough damage?
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08-24-2016, 06:45 PMKitfox
Parse. /10char
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08-24-2016, 06:58 PMKhalithar
Aside from parsing it's good to know if you're doing your rotation correctly. The nice thing about this game is that every dps has exactly one rotation and only one optimal way to play them with no RNG (outside of procs of course). There are guides here on the forums that discuss the correct rotation. There are a few other ways to know if you're doing as much damage as possible and that's the things outside your damage rotation as a nin, are you keeping huton up? Are you keeping all your DoT's applied? Are you using your oGCD abilities that deal damage? Are you keeping up your slashing debuff if no warrior is present? Are you doing your positional attacks correctly? Are you using your ninjutsu for damage? Suiton for your Trick Attack/Sneak Attack? Doton? Raiton? Etc.
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08-24-2016, 07:08 PMChaozK
The easiest way to tell without using a parser is to see if you can clear the stone sky sea dummies. They have one for every relevant fight like A5S.
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08-24-2016, 09:49 PMFinaSel
Thank you for the advice.
I have heard of "parser" but I don't really know what it is for sure, and I think it is a 3rd-party program or something. I don't really want to use anything that could get me in trouble. Better safe than sorry. (Just how I feel).
Yes, I keep Huton up and keep Shadow Fang Applied, and Mutilate if I think the mob isn't going to die soon.
Armor crush on the flank and Aeolian Edge from behind.
I keep Dancing Edge up, but I still sometimes use it by accident even when a warrior is present.
I'm not sure which is better for 4+ mobs; Katon or Doton. I usually put down Doton first, then use Kassatsu and then Katon, but not sure if it optimal way.
I always use Raiton for Single Target, unless boss and Trick Attack is available. Then, I use that first.
I am still getting used to the timing of Duality and Dream within a Dream. Should I save them for after I've used Trick Attack? Or just use them whenever they are up?
I have never been to Stone Sky Sea. Do I need to go with a party? -
08-24-2016, 09:56 PMCookieMonstaWe actually cannot tell you how to get this parser in case we get banned. Try searching Reddit or plain Google.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel
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08-24-2016, 10:08 PMseekifiedAs for this, you should do it the other way around. Doton is special - Kassatsu will make every tick crit for Doton's whole duration. So Katon > Kassatsu > Doton and then spamming Death Blossom is the best AoE you can do as NIN.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel
But yes, Stone Sky Sea is the only "official" way of finding out if you're doing decent damage or not. -
08-24-2016, 10:14 PMFrizze
No, you dont need a party for Stone Sky Sea. I seem to think there was a short quest in Idyll, then the guy outside offers to fly you up and set up the dummy you want to test. And you were right, a parser is a third party program that tells you how much damage you do. But you can do that without a program. People have figured out how much HP the SSS dummies have, so beat one and divide how much damage it took by how long it took. Boom, you know your rough damage. Or just look at whether or not you can clear the dummy in question. If you didnt, you were low.
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08-24-2016, 10:34 PMCampiThat's not correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by seekified
This makes only sense, if the mobs live longer then ~21sec during the doton time
Most of the time the mobs die earlier, so it's better to use katon
There are many ninjas who cast doton at boss mobs. which is completly wrong.
@Fina
You should watch some guides about your class and try Stone Sky Sea. So you will know, if your dps is high enough or not. -
08-25-2016, 12:37 AMFinaSel
Excellent advice. Thank you!
I did open SSS, but have never actually been there. I will definitely check it out. I'll try using the method to get an estimate of my damage by using the method described.
I never cast Doton or Katon on boss mobs. Always Suiton for TA or Raiton.
If it seems like the mobs will be living a long time, I will use Katon + Kassatsu + Doton, but if things are moving quickly, I'll use Katon + Kassatsu + Katon.
As for a parser, I don't want to use anything that even has a small chance of causing trouble. So I won't look into it. -
08-25-2016, 01:28 AMccrocker58
http://dtguilds.enjin.com/shastasninguide
I've been using that guide for my NIN. Seems to work pretty well for me. -
08-25-2016, 03:56 AMFunkyBunchIt's often good to cast Fuma Shuriken instead of Raiton because you can clip your GCD (slowing your rotation) unless you time it absolutely perfectly and with the slashing debuff up it does almost as much damage as Raiton.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel
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08-25-2016, 04:42 AMReniusWTH does this mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitfox
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08-25-2016, 04:55 AMMimiluThey're saying a parser program can help tell the OP see their damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renius
The /10char is because each post requires 10 characters (letters, numbers, symbols).
"Parse." is only 6 characters. -
08-25-2016, 10:25 AMJudge_Xero
If you can complete the SSS A8S Dummy at i225 then you know your class decently well.
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08-26-2016, 03:24 AMvp_cmc
If you want to do it a legit way, you can try SSS, then post your results (hp remaining or remaining time) to http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/
Non legit way is more convenient, and you can measure yourself (and others, but let's not start about this) in real encounters, but never talk about it. People who ask "what is my parse?" are trolls that will report you the moment you try to help them. -
08-26-2016, 07:01 AMAwful
All I can say is:
-Practice, Practice, Practice I can't say this enough about DPS or people who seriously want to improve i'm constantly trying to find ways to squeeze in more DPS as a smn in every encounter I do.
-Look up guides, rotations/priorities (and learn the difference)
-Do stone sea and sky
-Learn fights inside and out if you're a blm or melee know when to go ahead and use positionals or don't move at all, if you're a smn learn to manage your stacks effectively
-Know what you can get away with, if you have a solid healer who'll let you take risks in raid content let em know and synergize -
08-28-2016, 06:44 PMIlanA parser won't cause you any problems with SE if you don't post your parses into the chat and if you don't discriminate players because of their dps.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel