Vote Kick Abuse in Frontlines

Hello, last night I was vote kicked in frontlines (shatter) with seconds before our team won easily. Why is this allowed to be possible to happen? I ended up manging to speak with one of the people who was on the team and that person had no idea why I was vote kicked and voted no. I was actively communicating with my team and doing all I could think of to try and have my team win. This is the first time in anything out of probably something close to 1,000+ duties I've been vote kicked, I've only started pvping heavily actively like a week ago, is this something common?

It's not common at all. However, if you weren't being a team player that could be why. If it was really something you didn't do, then just tuck it under the rug and move on. It's like being struck by lightning, doubt it will ever happen again.

It used to happen in previous FL game modes, but there was usually a reason. Dissension between players who actually wanted to win versus players who were only there for tomes was the most common cause (with the dominant voice winning). AFK players, Bots, and well known tome farmers would often get kicked on sight. The only other reason I ever encountered was when a semi-formed pre-made would boot a third wheel to open a spot on their team ... but that wasn't at all common, especially not at the end of a match. All of these things typically would happen fairly quickly at the start.

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Originally Posted by Februs

It used to happen in previous FL game modes, but there was usually a reason. Dissension between players who actually wanted to win versus players who were only there for tomes was the most common cause (with the dominant voice winning). AFK players, Bots, and well known tome farmers would often get kicked on sight. The only other reason I ever encountered was when a semi-formed pre-made would boot a third wheel to open a spot on their team ... but that wasn't at all common, especially not at the end of a match. All of these things typically would happen fairly quickly at the start.

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Most common one on Aether across all 3 Grand Companies are lone wolf's. Unless people know you or you are visibly(changed from actively) contributing, and you didn't die more then what is acceptable (completely random). The boot happens quite often right near the end.

To the OP I can't imagine you have 1k+ frontlines and have not seen this happening. I have been pretty miserable in some matches and not been booted. But I have been healing another party that had no healer and been booted for not being near my party. Luckily that was before they changed the can't get back in. I qued back in and got a " You guys suck and I got the rewards so HA."

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Originally Posted by sykez

I was actively communicating with my team

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Depending on your 'active' method of communication, that could've incited the warrant for your dismissal. Enough people thought you deserve to be kicked so you obviously did something to annoy the people present.

Votekick stories have two sides, yet we can see only one side here. Need at least 4/8 players to vote Yes, so obviously at least half of the team wasn't happy with what you were doing. Maybe you were a healer and weren't with your team in a crucial moment. Or maybe you died 5+ times and lost some score to your team, who knows. People are so easily pissed off in pvp.

Judging by the fact that you're a healer someone died and had a minor stroke from the rage and blamed you. That's what i'm assuming at least.

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Originally Posted by Stormrider

Most common one on Aether across all 3 Grand Companies are lone wolf's. Unless people know you or you are visibly(changed from actively) contributing, and you didn't die more then what is acceptable (completely random). The boot happens quite often right near the end.

To the OP I can't imagine you have 1k+ frontlines and have not seen this happening. I have been pretty miserable in some matches and not been booted. But I have been healing another party that had no healer and been booted for not being near my party. Luckily that was before they changed the can't get back in. I qued back in and got a " You guys suck and I got the rewards so HA."

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hello, not 1k frontlines, I only have 120ish frontlines, half of them were forever ago, but in all of those I'd actually never seen someone vote kicked either, even if our team is losing, everyone is cussing each other out, and people are attempting to vote kick that person who's 0/6 and already given up. 8 man PvP is probably the only potential scenario I'd ever have to get vote kicked, and, you're probably right in regards to the lone wolf part. I was taking bases because my team didn't need me for certain ices since they were free due to their positioning. I understand that among players there's always different strategies players have and sometimes it's hard to "sync" with what everyone should be doing at a certain time. This would be like in league if you're split pushing and your team is yelling at you for not being with the team, when there's actually nothing going on that would require your presence there. I can't imagine how many players would try to vote kick a proxy singed if it was possible for not understanding what that person is even attempting to do.

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Originally Posted by SuperZay

Votekick stories have two sides, yet we can see only one side here. Need at least 4/8 players to vote Yes, so obviously at least half of the team wasn't happy with what you were doing. Maybe you were a healer and weren't with your team in a crucial moment. Or maybe you died 5+ times and lost some score to your team, who knows. People are so easily pissed off in pvp.

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I think there is something fucked up about the fact I can go in with a premade of 4 people and just vote kick someone at the end who sat in a queue for 40+ minutes that helped the team win because there was something particular I did not like about their play style and their mode of thought while receiving no punishment for doing so. I've moved past it, but the potential for it is sad, especially with gc locks, where all they do now is make you hate everyone on your team and the other team. The entire ideal of preconceived comradery is such a facade and all attempting to PvP here has done is make me want to just go back to league.

I've only ever seen votekicks and initiated votekicks because of communication. I don't care that you talk or don't talk in Frontlines. I just care if you're creating enough of a conflict in the chat channel that the alliance is wanting to fight you in chat more than they want to win the game. Otherwise, I've never seen a kick for any other reason than attitude.

Ive only seen vote dismiss for people who have dc'd and after time don't come back or people who leave. I have over 1k FL and i've never seen anyone kicked randomly.

The Flames on Primal are pretty proactive on vote kicks (eg, start insulting someone or the group repeatedly? Kick. Prolonged afk in the middle of the match without warning? Kick. Dying repeatedly intentionally - this actually happens we have a troll that literally does nothing but run into the middle of the area repeatedly and lets other groups kill him - Kick. And obvious prolonged DCs).

Despite it being used somewhat frequently, I have never once seen Vote Kick being abused by our GC in Frontlines. People in Frontlines seem to be less kick happy than those in, say, a 4 man dungeon run or 24 man raids.

I really doubt you were kicked randomly. I agree with Zay in that there probably was some point to it. Maybe you weren't being spatially aware or something.

I've seen some FL kicks. Most of them are failed healers.

I've seen a vote kick initiated for players who:
1.) Were AFK or barely moving from the same spot for a long time.
2.) Players who run off in the wrong direction by themselves, instead of moving with the group, and continually get killed. When the group says "Everyone move this way" and one player continues to not do that, they are sometimes removed.

I have initiated a vote kick a couple of times in Frontlines in these situations.
1.) A player was cursing a lot at the entire team. Sorry, but in our data center people just don't that kind of thing. We are pretty calm in PvP and even if we lose, no one blames each other. But there have been a couple people who begin to completely lose it when someone dies.
Needless to say, these vote kicks have never failed.

2.) A player who spams sound macros.
"East <se.3>"
"East <se.3>"
"East <se.3>"
"East <se.3>"

Like this.

Once is enough.

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Originally Posted by FinaSel

2.) A player who spams sound macros.
"East <se.3>"
"East <se.3>"
"East <se.3>"
"East <se.3>"

Like this.

Once is enough.

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Once isn't enough, even Four times isn't enough. Need a way to cover someone's screen (not really) with where the f*** they need to go.

I got kicked in shatter for doing pvp.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

I've seen some FL kicks. Most of them are failed healers.

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Yeah usually initiated by amateur dps who don't know how to provide assistance when their own healer is under coordinated attacks from the enemy, this is nevertheless a dumb reason

I made my first foray into PVP the other day as a SCH, via Shatter. Dropped heals/shields and DoTs as needed, PVP res'd + lustrated the other healers when they went down. Then someone complained about PVE revives(which I hadn't used) and blamed me, and then the healer I'd revived/healed up TWICE asked if I was even healing. Think it was a smaller premade group of friends. About a minute later: You have been dismissed from both the party and the duty.

Haven't queued up for PVP since then, and I don't think I will if that's how it is. Should I macro five lines of USED {DIVINE BREATH} ON DEAD PERSON so they know I'm not PVE reviving?

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Originally Posted by Katallen

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If that was really your first dip into pvp, that you cared enough to do enough research to know that pve raise was to be avoided is awesome. Really. Most of the time when I see a first timer it seems a safe bet that they dont even know they have pvp abilities xD

Ultimately, though, you gotta be kind of thick skinned with pvp. Shrug it off, take a break if it really gets to you, and keep going. Remember that the ones who talk the most *&$t are generally garbage anyways.

Always report if you feel you've been kicked for no reason. I had some "followers" who were always trying to kick me from duties (yes, there's people like that) and I reported them. They never tried it again, guess they got a warning from a GM.

If you're lucky enough, reporting them will make them getting banned for 3 days, but if you don't report they'll keep doing it to you/other people.

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Originally Posted by Katallen

I made my first foray into PVP the other day as a SCH, via Shatter. Dropped heals/shields and DoTs as needed, PVP res'd + lustrated the other healers when they went down. Then someone complained about PVE revives(which I hadn't used) and blamed me, and then the healer I'd revived/healed up TWICE asked if I was even healing. Think it was a smaller premade group of friends. About a minute later: You have been dismissed from both the party and the duty.

Haven't queued up for PVP since then, and I don't think I will if that's how it is. Should I macro five lines of USED {DIVINE BREATH} ON DEAD PERSON so they know I'm not PVE reviving?

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If the match was going south they might have been looking for someone to blame. People are idiots. Some times the dps is just better then what you can heal this isn't 2.0 where healers could laugh in the face of dps. Everyone has burst rotations and most decent players get a little bit of luck can burst you down.


The dot's might have been what caused the confusion about heals though. If the other healer was being so focused they might have saw casts but no heals and thought you had been casting a PvE raise. If the other healer is being focused it is best to ignore the rest of the team and try to bounce the dps between you and the other healer.

Also sometimes I never raise anyone. No one even mentions it except the people who complain the most and they get no raises anyway. YOLOs can eat the penalty.

There is "active communication" and just being plain bossy might of been the way you came across towards your fellow team members

Have seen healer get kicked more than any other job in pvp lol. While from personal experience Ive learned just not to expect cures at all and just dismiss it from mind (not being critical, just the nature of things) I'll be the 1st to admit healer's probably the most thankless job possible in 14-pvp. Keep in mind you are pretty much Santa Claus to those who still believe in him as far as pvp healing goes, that you carry the hopes and dreams of the lala dps in your pt and heaven forbid should you let those dreams die. J/k Don't let it get to ya.

I appreciate every good healer in PvP. It's very hard to heal in there but many healers I played with are so damn great.

The problem is... once people experienced those good healers who can save them, then the average healers will not be good enough for them anymore. People will notice the differences between good healers and average healers.