Crit and Skill speed on your tank?

I have settled for PLD as my tank. My crit with materia (at the moment) is at 771 and SS at 691. I am slowly gearing up all hellfire gear...the question I have is what is your current amount on those two stats? what is the max that I can have without going overboard?

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/V9X2

That link will show you the mostly best in slot gear and melds. Compare and contrast your gear and stats.

SS isn't super useful on Paladin because, the higher your SS is, the more clipping you're going to do on Goring Blade. Our damage rotation doesn't need SkSpd at all because it's so square, and the only potential benefit you'll get from having a ton of SkSpd is that you might be able to not let Goring Blade fall off if you ever need to use Flash, Clemency, or swap Oaths in the middle of your combos.

This isn't to say you should completely evade it (as with Parry), but PLD is the tank that gets the least benefit out of SkSpd. I currently have around 520 Skill Speed at IL 234, and I regularly clip Goring Blade by 2 seconds. I wouldn't recommend going above this.

My advice is for you to focus on stacking Determination instead of Skill Speed. Critical Hit is obviously the most important sub-stat. Also, if you're aiming for materia melds, always meld Strength materia onto the right side gear (accessories).

So with this: Str melds > Crit melds > Det melds > whatever. I'd say also prioritize Accuracy is you EVER find yourself lacking in that department, but it's highly unlikely no matter what gear combination you have.

For the record, I think my Critical Hit is at around 860, but I haven't finished getting proper gear and melds. By the end of this gear tier it should be sitting at around 990.

as i read the topic title i was like "oh yeah here we go" - but the outcome was not what i expected xD
Ferno just answered your question for stat weight already > regarding common builds.

i tried a full parry midas set lately just for fun (and believe it or not it was really funny for sure) and now im collecting endgear hellfire/wepping city to build a pure crit/aspd. so this is why i come in here to find someone of my likings – but well i hope you'll find the build which suits you the most ; )


Cheers
Yuni

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Originally Posted by Neela

as i read the topic title i was like "oh yeah here we go" - but the outcome was not what i expected xD
Ferno just answered your question for stat weight already > regarding common builds.

i tried a full parry midas set lately just for fun (and believe it or not it was really funny for sure) and now im collecting endgear hellfire/wepping city to build a pure crit/aspd. so this is why i come in here to find someone of my likings – but well i hope you'll find the build which suits you the most ; )


Cheers
Yuni

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I tried stacking as much Skill Speed as I could a while back, and I was super underwhelmed by the results, specially considering the amount of money I spent on Materia lol. My theory was that maybe stacking a lot of SkSpd would give me enough time for a Fracture in between combos, and potentially a DPS gain, but it... didn't. I was sad to see that alternative builds weren't really viable at all :(

well im totally aware of the backslack of alternative builds - but actually im not in raiding at all... so trying something different for casual pve is my playground :) – also im female so i said to myself just be more agil with surprising critical hits, than your male buddys who go for masculine raw power builds like ent/det ;p

I think with current gear you can get to like 2.22 gcd or something on tanks - maybe a little lower? I kinda want to do it just to go fast but I don't really want to burn all the materia just to run out of TP really fast. Stats suck in this game.

It is kinda coolio to get to like 1.7 gcd on dark knight with astro and stuff though.

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well im totally aware of the backslack of alternative builds - but actually im not in raiding at all... so trying something different for casual pve is my playground :) – also im female so i said to myself just be more agil with surprising critical hits, than your male buddys who go for masculine raw power builds like ent/det ;p

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I hear ya. I once tried stacking as much mind as I could to see if my Cross-classed Cure could be worth anything, hahaha. Spoiler: NOPE.

It would be really amazing for Paladin is SkillSpeed affected auto-attacks, though. Sword Oath damage would be great.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

I think with current gear you can get to like 2.22 gcd or something on tanks - maybe a little lower? I kinda want to do it just to go fast but I don't really want to burn all the materia just to run out of TP really fast. Stats suck in this game.

It is kinda coolio to get to like 1.7 gcd on dark knight with astro and stuff though.

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Isn't SkSpd much more beneficial for DRK, though? I haven't really dived into DRK meta, but I don't see how they'd be negatively affected by a high SksSpd considering they have Blood Weapon for TP reduction and no DoT linked to combos. Most of their damage coming from direct hits makes me think they'd like more SkSpd much more than PLD.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Isn't SkSpd much more beneficial for DRK, though? I haven't really dived into DRK meta, but I don't see how they'd be negatively affected by a high SksSpd considering they have Blood Weapon for TP reduction and no DoT linked to combos. Most of their damage coming from direct hits makes me think they'd like more SkSpd much more than PLD.

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SkSpt does work somewhat well for DRK, but only if, like other tanks, Crit and Det are at their cap. Then I would think SkSpd is a good alternative, since you need as much Crit as you can get for those sweet DA Souleaters/CnS. In my opinion, the tank that most benefits from SkSpt is of course WAR, to fix in as many GCDS as you can during your zerk window. Course, all of this is just my own conclusion, so take it as you will xD

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

Isn't SkSpd much more beneficial for DRK, though? I haven't really dived into DRK meta, but I don't see how they'd be negatively affected by a high SksSpd considering they have Blood Weapon for TP reduction and no DoT linked to combos. Most of their damage coming from direct hits makes me think they'd like more SkSpd much more than PLD.

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Well DRK actually has a really powerful DoT being Scourge (500 total potency once every 30sec). But since SkS increases DoT damage it IS beneficial to everyone with DoTs but its weight is still inferior to crit and det. It's just less detrimental to DRK than PLD because DRK takes a very long time to run out of TP now (I think it's the second most durable physical job right after WAR in terms of TP) and Scourge isn't a combo finisher unlike GB so you can use it in between any combo you want in order to re-apply it.

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Originally Posted by Esp

In my opinion, the tank that most benefits from SkSpt is of course WAR, to fix in as many GCDS as you can during your zerk window.

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Actually WAR doesn't need any more SkS than what you need in order to fit 9GCDs within your Zerk, which is do-able with something like 2.44sec GCD. You need more than 1000 or 1100 SkS in order to fit a 10th GCD and doing that would sacrifice wayyy too much det/crit for nothing really THAT important since you have all you need for the perfect burst in your 9 Zerk GCDs. Having more SkS than necessary to get 9GCDs will only lead you to be pacified at half of your next GCD after your 9th hit instead of right after the start of the animation, meaning that the pacification will hurt you more.

Basically what Freyyy said Sks affects Drks to a degree but not enough to warrant any kind of big change compared to Det and Crit I have 850 crit and 740 Det on my Drk with about 600ish sks I tried fitting more Sks and my dmg was lower than if I actually had the 60 det and 70 crit I was missing. On the page of Blood Weapon you need so much just to get 1 more GCD in Blood Weapon and that's sacrificing even more det and crit to meet that threshold.

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Interesting. I am leveling WAR on the side so it's nice to know how much I would need to hit that 9 GCDs. Least I know now how much is too much, that is if I ever get back to leveling it. xD

Many are against it, but I don't know if it's a mental thing or what, but since I've been doing Skill Speed, I've increased my effectiveness as MT by a bunch. Currently, my PLD is:

iLv: 226
Crit: 648
Skill Speed: 629

I also cannot go without Steamed Staff HQ, which gives...
Crit (cap 40)
Vit (cap 37)
Skill Speed (cap 16)

That's just me, though, until I find something else that works better for me. I am comfortable and relaxed now, and it shows when I'm in groups.

I was doing Determination for a while, but...I don't know... It wasn't really working for me. I'll probably just have to try it again one day.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

I've increased my effectiveness as MT by a bunch. Currently, my PLD is

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You realistically won't see much of a difference speed-wise as PLD when stacking SS, however as long as you don't run dry on TP you should see better results than Det for DPS. I stack Crit/SkS on my WAR, but that's largely because Equilibrium and TP-free Fell Cleave/Decimate/etc exist (unless, of course, the SkS piece doesn't have Crit).

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

You realistically won't see much of a difference speed-wise as PLD when stacking SS, however as long as you don't run dry on TP you should see better results than Det for DPS.

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Well the stat weights contradict this. Det > SkS for all 3 tanks. However, the difference between them is so ridiculously tiny that you won't notice any real difference in DPS anyway. As long as you're giving a priority to Crit while avoiding parry like plague, the second one isn't really important.

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Originally Posted by Fernosaur

I tried stacking as much Skill Speed as I could a while back, and I was super underwhelmed by the results, specially considering the amount of money I spent on Materia lol. My theory was that maybe stacking a lot of SkSpd would give me enough time for a Fracture in between combos, and potentially a DPS gain, but it... didn't. I was sad to see that alternative builds weren't really viable at all :(

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step 1, remove fracture, it's a major TP cost that over all gives you less DPS and might mess up your FOF combo with getting 2 COS and 2 GB in whilst it's active.