Regarding Bans and such.

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08-02-2016, 07:56 AM
OniKimoto

Regarding Bans and such.

I'd like if GMs would do a thorough investigation before they decide to ban people based on "reports". I feel it's very unfair and misleading to ban people simply due to the fact a majority said a "player" did something "wrong". How can one be certain, that it is not an entire FC or "best friends" sending in reports just to remove someone from the game without factual evidence and I am speaking about this from my own personal experience with Gms and receiving various/mixed responses regarding harassment and such.

Any thoughts?
08-02-2016, 09:59 PM
Nyghtmarerobu

Unless you yourself can go back and check your actual in-game chat logs, I doubt you can say that a ban is "wrong". The GM's do their job, and I fail to believe that people get banned wrongly. People tend to forget information when things happen that could get them into trouble. You can see that in other forum posts here, as well. "Oh I was banned for 3 days for harassment, but how could I, I'm generally nice to everyone!!", and then of course it was the one time they told someone to go shove a **** up their ***, and they got reported for it, and forgot about it.

tl:dr - You prolly still deserved your ban, and should let the gm's gm, that's why they're gm's.
08-02-2016, 10:42 PM
WeekendSoja

this reminds me of a thread about kicking people for under-performing, I wrote that age-old arguement about differing play styles and someone said you can find resources online regarding kick violation bans "everywhere" I casually searched and all I could find were reddit topics and YouTube videos of people getting banned for dropping F-bombs 100 times in a span of two hours in /shout.

This guy may also just be a lucky duckling but I have a Static member go into DR with his friend just to have numbers, and this is to kick under-performers out asap. I can no longer count on my hands and feet how many times I've heard the command on TS to kick someone and he says he's never even been warned...

Back on topic, if you don't want to be banned save the silly and inappropriate talk for voice chat and be all proper and polite in game chat lol
08-04-2016, 02:35 AM
Bacent

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Originally Posted by OniKimoto

I am speaking about a situation that happened to an FC mate..

So you made this because of an FC mate's ban? It's....not really your place to? You'll only ever get what happened to them, in their eyes. You won't 100% get the picture, and it's better to not stick your nose in it.
08-04-2016, 02:46 AM
OniKimoto

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Originally Posted by Bacent

So you made this because of an FC mate's ban? It's....not really your place to? You'll only ever get what happened to them, in their eyes. You won't 100% get the picture, and it's better to not stick your nose in it.

I'm not sticking my nose in anything, but suggesting for GMs to review evidence more thoroughly, got nothing nice to say then comment elsewhere..

Also, I know exactly what happened as another member was there and I know for a fact they have no reason to lie about the situation that happened.
08-04-2016, 02:47 AM
OniKimoto

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

Unless you yourself can go back and check your actual in-game chat logs, I doubt you can say that a ban is "wrong". The GM's do their job, and I fail to believe that people get banned wrongly. People tend to forget information when things happen that could get them into trouble. You can see that in other forum posts here, as well. "Oh I was banned for 3 days for harassment, but how could I, I'm generally nice to everyone!!", and then of course it was the one time they told someone to go shove a **** up their ***, and they got reported for it, and forgot about it.

tl:dr - You prolly still deserved your ban, and should let the gm's gm, that's why they're gm's.

I'm convinced you did not read my post, therefore making your comment irrelevant. I never stated they were in the WRONG. I am asking for them to review chat logs etc etc versus telling me that they go based off the number of reports, not factual evidence. Further more, my FC mate was not banned due to profanity and even so I was told by a GM profanity has nothing to do with being banned.

Please read more thoroughly. I am just giving suggestions to GMs because I'm getting mixed answers.
08-04-2016, 03:09 AM
Nyghtmarerobu

So what, you're friend didn't offend multiple people? Look, people take things differently, and no matter what you say was or wasn't the case, they got banned. The GM's do a pretty good job here, and I have some personal storys about it. You're friend got on the wrong end of the hammer this time, they just need to be more careful.
08-04-2016, 04:53 AM
OniKimoto

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

So what, you're friend didn't offend multiple people? Look, people take things differently, and no matter what you say was or wasn't the case, they got banned. The GM's do a pretty good job here, and I have some personal storys about it. You're friend got on the wrong end of the hammer this time, they just need to be more careful.

I'm not saying GMs do good or bad, I know it's mixed. I'm asking them to be more thorough in their investigations. My friend/member got banned because his macro was "points and laughs <t>" yes, it's pretty immature and stupid. However, during people reporting him for "spam" they failed to report themselves for verbally bashing and abusing him. That's the bit of the situation without going into further details. I just feel like banning him because of his macro is a bit over the top, especially since in game people deal with bullying, harassment, slander, gil buyers/sellers. I just feel more can and needs to be done.
08-04-2016, 05:04 PM
Bacent

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Originally Posted by OniKimoto

I'm not sticking my nose in anything, but suggesting for GMs to review evidence more thoroughly, got nothing nice to say then comment elsewhere..

Also, I know exactly what happened as another member was there and I know for a fact they have no reason to lie about the situation that happened.

And you want faceless people to take your word for it. This is the internet, and sorry to be 'that guy', but friends always believe their friends and such, and unless everyone on the forums was there as well to see it happen, I can't entirely believe you. Friends look better in a friend's eyes, even if they're being a jerk to someone.

And sure they got banned for being a dipstick about something, but you don't know the whole thing. You don't know what the GMs can/can't see when they know when/where something went on. They can see chat logs when they know that much info.

Though again, you weren't directly involved about this, this really shouldn't be your place to say if the GMs did/n't do something right.
08-04-2016, 05:35 PM
OniKimoto

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Originally Posted by Bacent

And you want faceless people to take your word for it. This is the internet, and sorry to be 'that guy', but friends always believe their friends and such, and unless everyone on the forums was there as well to see it happen, I can't entirely believe you. Friends look better in a friend's eyes, even if they're being a jerk to someone.

Though again, you weren't directly involved about this, this really shouldn't be your place to say if the GMs did/n't do something right.

Asking to be more thorough and stuff isn't really saying "they didn't do something right" lol. I mean it's quite obvious you're not really reading my posts. Therefore I'll just ignore you now because you're clearly missing the entire point. Also, I've always been a fair person. I just don't believe people on a whim even my friend, but I know for a fact people were using excessive profanity during that raid for his "macro" get over it.
08-04-2016, 05:38 PM
OniKimoto

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Though again, you weren't directly involved about this, this really shouldn't be your place to say if the GMs did/n't do something right.

And as far as it being my business, what business is it of yours for me inquiring or asking GMs to be thorough? Are you a GM yourself? No. Also this is what the suggestions/feedback is for.
08-06-2016, 03:06 PM
Suetan124

The gm's do a very good job. I've worked with them on several occasions. They wouldn't have banned your friend without just cause. What you see in FC chat and what they tell you, doesn't necessarily include anything like tells, which is probably what got them banned. They don't just get a complaint and swing the ban hammer. They do a detailed investigation. I've even had to include timestamps in my supporting evidence before. You're friend got banned for a reason.

Remember, you as a player agreed to SE's terms of service which clearly state that harassment will not be tolerated. First occurance results in a warning, second is a 3 day ban, further occurance can mean a permanent ban.
08-06-2016, 08:31 PM
OniKimoto

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Originally Posted by Suetan124

The gm's do a very good job. I've worked with them on several occasions. They wouldn't have banned your friend without just cause. What you see in FC chat and what they tell you, doesn't necessarily include anything like tells, which is probably what got them banned. They don't just get a complaint and swing the ban hammer. They do a detailed investigation. I've even had to include timestamps in my supporting evidence before. You're friend got banned for a reason.

This wasn't tells. It was in a raid. Ppl were in alliance chat verbally bashing/insulting him for his macro so yeah. My FC mate legit got banned for the reports regarding his macro. I was told GMs do not ban based off profanity, they go based off volume of reports. Unless that Gm is/was lazy. I refuse to believe all GMs do their job accordingly after all they are human. Also, I've had good GMs too. Asking for some to be more thorough isn't against ToS or should offend anyone honestly.