Is it just me or is the gear in these chests (and the other chests to a lesser degree). Not worth the time and effort. For the chests you need to kill an NM, which you usually need a full party of 50s to kill, then it will SOMETIMES drop a key to one person, who then opens the appropriate chest and has a CHANCE to get the item inside......
This becomes even worse when you go after the boss chests because it takes more than one full party of 50s to kill. So the party that does not claim has no chance of getting anything from the boss, not even the achievement for killing it. And the aforementioned dropping and chest loot system applies again.
I think that for one there should be an alliance system if some parts of the game require more than one party to accomplish, and either make it so the boss or key monster ALWAYS drops a key, OR the chests ALWAYS yields the item it is supposed to. in the case of the boss chests the boss should drop more than one key since there is more than one chest. The way it is now you can bring 16 people to farm items, and do that for 3+ hours and get NOTHING. Massive time sink.
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11-06-2011, 07:43 AMShosasosaStronghold Boss Chests
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11-06-2011, 07:58 AMShosasosa
Also wanted to add why its not worth the time. The gear you get isn't that much better than gear you can craft so spending tons of time on getting these items isn't even worth it. The gear provides stats that cannot be added with materia, but since untradable items cannot be melded, its only really "look at me" gear.
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11-06-2011, 08:13 AMMANTASTICYou have a chance to get a key from the mob, and then a chance to get the piece you want from the chest. And if you're competing against another group, you have a chance of a chance of a chance! Good times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shosasosa
Whoever designed these areas does not understand the concept of risk versus reward.
Ways of making this shit less...shit:
A) Killing the key dropping mobs gives all who participated in the fight a token of some sort, x amount of which can be exchanged for the desired gear piece. You can even keep the keys the way they are now if you do it this way, and instead of sometimes being rewarded with gear, your group randomly gets an extra reward instead.
B) NMs drop the gear directly, removing a layer of random.
C) More mobs drop keys, NMs always drop keys. Increase the availability of the keys, decrease the cockblock that is waiting for repops/claim.
D) All of the above. Mobs in the area drop keys for the chests, which would work the same as it currently stands. NMs drop the gear specific to their chest and a token specific to the stronghold (ex: natalan token, etc). NMs may or may not also drop a key.
I'm personally a fan of option D, but whatever happens, its important that the effort of players is always rewarded in some way. -
11-06-2011, 09:30 AMRaldo
I would like to throw in my vote for option D as well, from the options listed in the above post.
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11-07-2011, 07:52 PMTeiaIt seems like someone down the line grabbed an FFXI style design, since the whole system is basically set up for the maximum amount of grind with the minimum possible chance of reward. Which makes it seem out of place compared to some of the new stuff that's downright generous compared to what we had before.Quote:
Originally Posted by MANTASTIC
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11-08-2011, 03:38 AMKioteI won't argue against the armour not being the best, But trying to get it is a great to way to grind materia for your superior crafted armour lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Shosasosa
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11-08-2011, 03:44 AMCycloptichorn
Leave it tough and hard to get - what else to top-level people have to do right now??
I like the rarity, I'm still being surprised by seeing new sets of armor on people in Ul'dah. -
11-08-2011, 08:07 AMKiara
Hi Shosa, Mantastic,
Totally agree.
It's very clear that SE added this system as a Time Sink... IMHO, to buy them time before 1.20 hits.
The Beastmen Fortresses (Strongholds) are a fun diversion for a bit, and a good EXP place as well. They could have easily implemented some of the ideas you mention, but seeing Ifrit's broken loot system and the Beastmen Fortress Chest Key System / Rarity, they're definitely Time Sinks.
It certainly is keeping some people busy that want to try this, but after a while, it becomes old, really fast.
Here's to hoping they remove some of the bad Time Sink factors when more content comes online. -
11-08-2011, 10:51 AMMANTASTICQuote:
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http://i.imgur.com/XtJTc.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiara
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11-12-2011, 03:49 AMNeko_Yanagi
Personally, I've liked key farming. It has something that this game has been lacking... Challenge. I don't want something to be so easy as "let's go kill this nm, get the drops for everyone, and leave within 30 min." And some of the gear is awesome, especially when they allow materia socketing in unique/untradables.
Only thing I agree with is the need for an alliance system. Rotating NM claim works, but it a alliance system would prevent ninja claiming. -
11-13-2011, 09:51 AMVexerus
Alliance system would be nice for sure. However each of these NMs can be farmed with just one party. Here's an example of a 1 party kill at Natalan.
Key drop rate sucks and chances of getting an item from chest is even worse. 0/20 hurray! -
11-13-2011, 02:11 PMShosasosa
Neko the gear is good, but its not as good as the effort it takes to get it. The only thing it allows is stats that you cant add with materia. for example you cant get enmity on a body piece but the sorcerer's robe gives you -5. the other stats are also unique to that piece except the MP which is less than felt or vintage robe. the only reason to have these pieces is to max out on a specific stat for a set or something. like Vex just said they killed the Natalan boss 20 times and got nothing. Even in XI when u went to Dynamis Xarc, all those pieces were really good cuz they gave u stats you couldnt get anywhere else, but even on a bad run you would still get 3-4 pieces and say you had something to show for it, on top of the currency. With this system all you get is random armor and crafting materials that can be bought for cheap from the wards. the Effort to reward ratio is way out of balance.
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11-13-2011, 02:29 PMzaviermhigo
The whole sets aren't worth the time but certain pieces are good for certain situations, you can't put enmity minus materia on your head, you actually can only put it on your belt, and I'm sure most of us know. Some of the gear which drops out of the stronghold chest have enmity stats on gear you couldn't otherwise get with materia, nor could you get more enmity +/- with materia, the best situation would be to stack the belt and the few gear pieces from the stronghold chests with enmity stats on them when it's needed. The rest of the gear is rubbish. Effort wise I can see that, I assume they wanted us to go in there with 2 parties of 8 and trade off on drops, that is a lot of collective action :/ I'm sure a party of 8 50s fully materia'd can do it themselves, to get a few pieces here and there, but its still not worth the effort. Personally give us an AF set, Yoshi-P I'm talking personally to you, none of this "oh depends on what is artifact to you?", you know what the heck we mean when we say artifact, classic gear, with moderately good stats, medium level of difficulty for obtaining the gear. Then make gear that drops with lots of effort from stronghold bosses better than gear with 1 piece of materia, but not better than a gear piece with 2 materia, risk/reward, how hard is that.
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11-13-2011, 05:31 PMShosasosa
thats pretty much what im saying. The amount of effort to obtain these moderately above average pieces is higher than obtaining relic "not artifact" gear in XI, and i dont wanna hear that you cant compare the 2 games, cuz it has the same races, same name, and a lot of the same developers.