How best to make gil?

I'm a level 60 scholar/summoner, (with very few other classes even really touched), and I'm looking to find out how best to make some gil. During the course of my entire playtime from 1 to 60, I've made about 700k, however I hear people can make millions in a day with very little effort.

Googling hasn't helped me much, so I come to you lovely forum goers in hopes of a guiding hand.

Start crafting and be prepared to put the time in so you too can effortlessly make millions a day

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Originally Posted by Maxipep

Start crafting and be prepared to put the time in so you too can effortlessly make millions a day

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Any particular crafting professions? As I said, I have no experience really with anything beyond scholar/summoner

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Originally Posted by RapthorneLycaeus

Any particular crafting professions? As I said, I have no experience really with anything beyond scholar/summoner

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All of them (including gathering). And I quite mean that. All the classes are inter-connected with cross-skills and materials. However, if the thought of that makes you want to set yourself on fire and jump off a cliff - then there is a work-around. The typical leveling path is...

All classes to 15 for their main cross skills.
CUL to 37 for Steady Hand II
CRP to 50 for Byregot's Blessing

These will allow to to HQ most items with not much difficulty, regardless of what class you choose to stick with.

Ok, straight up, you're not going to find some sort of guide that tells you how to make millions a day with no effort. Even were that possible (I consider the gearing up and knowledge to tackle crafting as effort, even if the synths themselves wind up simple), nobody would tell you. It would be pointless.

I could go on a whole spiel about how money is essentially an abstract concept for goods and services and how the actual amount doesn't matter, but the short version is that how much people are willing to pay for something depends on how much they want it, and how annoying/difficult it is to obtain. Because of this, you can't just say "Oh, go make item X, it sells for Y gil." because the moment you tell the world that, guess what? Everyone starts making that item. This means there's a lot of them out there, quite possibly more than anyone would possibly wish to buy at that price. So people lower the price, because people may not want to pay 5k for it, but they may buy it for 2k. But then supply is STILL exceeding demand, so the price drops more to try and grab even cheaper buyers, until eventually the item sells for so little that most other methods make more money for similar effort. The only times this doesn't tend to happen is when there's severe limits on production. Things like rare drops or time-gated events.

In the end, the way you make millions of gil is as follows: Step one, have diverse methods. Have crafters, gatherers, and battle classes all well geared that you know how to play. Step two, pay attention to what people want, whether it's common raiding supplies or recent quest requirements, people need a reason to buy your crap. Step three is just to not spend money: Think about what you spend your gil on, and consider if it'd be less effort to make it yourself.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Ok, straight up, you're not going to find some sort of guide that tells you how to make millions a day with no effort. Even were that possible (I consider the gearing up and knowledge to tackle crafting as effort, even if the synths themselves wind up simple), nobody would tell you. It would be pointless.

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It's possible, just run new content that has rare drops and get lucky - dungeon minions, EX primal items, Aquapolis, Diadem, etc. Get lucky the first day or two of a new patch and watch those millions roll in for little effort.

If you want an actual little effort gil source, do targeted retainer ventures. There are several high demand items you can round up.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

It's possible, just run new content that has rare drops and get lucky - dungeon minions, EX primal items, Aquapolis, Diadem, etc. Get lucky the first day or two of a new patch and watch those millions roll in for little effort.

If you want an actual little effort gil source, do targeted retainer ventures. There are several high demand items you can round up.

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So, you're saying to go after things that are in high demand which... was kind of the point I ended on XD

My point was that you can't have a single item that you get forever to make millions off of.

Im going to start this just by pointing out that what some people consider "very little effort" others would classify differently. In other words, your mileage may vary. SO, with that out of the way...

If one was to distill down all the money making advice that exists for this game to its most basic component, it would be to get to know your local-server market board. Every server has its own market quirks, and each server has its own going rate for goods. Something that sells for 2 million on Shiva might only make you 50k on Hyperion. So take any advice you find here as general, and study your market to find how to specifically apply it. With that said, you need to have something in order to sell something, so therefore you need a means of acquisition. You're a level 60 scholar(and not much else by your own admission). Is that a raid-ish level 60, or a more casual level 60? Do you have good luck with RNG? Do you have friends willing to help a little for the cause? Have you leveled up your retainers? Are you someone who would/does pay extra monthly for more retainers? Are you willing to put some time and effort into crafting, gathering, or both? How long do you have to commit to this per day/week? The answers to these questions(and im sure a few others) will point you toward your personal best option for making gil. And for that matter, ask yourself why you want the gil to begin with. You can get away with spending basically no gil for huge portions of the game afterall. So lets break a few of my questions from above into points you might be able to use.

You're a level 60 scholar(and not much else by your own admission). Is that a raid-ish level 60, or a more casual level 60? So one thing you can do is take things you get naturally in the course of your adventuring, and sell them for profit. Your playing profile somewhat determines the level of access you have to different things. If nothing else, you can take the Eso's you get from any level 60 content and buy tradable crafting mats from the vendor in idyllshire then sell them on the market. Every level 60 has access to this, but many have other uses for their tomestones and thus arent competing with you.

Do you have good luck with RNG? So did you just win the minion that dropped in the chest at the end of that level 60 dungeon? That probly sells for a decent ammount. And did any of the crafting mats drop? Easy money.

Do you have friends willing to help a little for the cause? This also touches a little on the raid/casual line, but you could specifically run content to get certain drops with the intent to sell. For instance, the various primal fights all have rare crafting mats that you could profit from. This is harder to do solo and still likely requires a bit of luck, but it is an option to explore. As a bonus, you could be helping all your friends get their ponies/birdies. And orchestrion rolls are still pretty valuable on some servers too.

Have you leveled up your retainers? Are you someone who would/does pay extra monthly for more retainers? The people who have more then 2 retainers(and im on record as not being one of them) give 3 reasons that its a worthwhile expense. You can store more, you can sell more(20 extra slots each), and you can send them all on ventures to bring you back more. If your retainers are leveled then start by just looking at the targeted items you can send them after. Do they sell well on your server? Thats a starter income right there if you dont mind trading ventures for gil. For this example, targeted ventures are like a paycheck and quick explorations are like the lottery. The paycheck will be basically the same from one run to the next, while the lottery might be an absolute loss one play and a huge win the next. Even with only your 2 free retainers a 2 hour play session can see 6 ventures completed(log in, halfway, log off) and the resulting items listed for easy cash.

Are you willing to put some time and effort into crafting, gathering, or both? So this is the long game. Getting the most out of crafting will take much more effort than anything i listed above. The top end of crafting highly encourages(not required but makes everything MUCH easier) you to level all 8 classes to 50 for cross class skills and even further for cross discipline items. To keep your costs down, you may also need to level mining/botany as well to get some percentage of your own materials(fishing is mostly used in just culinarian recipes so its more skippable then the other 2). Ill save the long crafting guide, because others have already written them better then i could. The money making side of it will be to find things that sell well on your server and provide them. Some servers have good markets for leveling gear, some dont. Likewise, some have a market for leve-crafts that others really dont. However most servers will have a market for intermediate crafting materials. For example, if i want to make myself a new robe ill need to get some cloth first. I could go into the field and gather the silk, spin that into the cloth, and get the rest of the materials ready... or i could just buy the cloth on the board and jump straight to the final combine. You could make money on the robe im crafting for myself(a lot of crafters LOVE to see their own name on everything) by either selling the silk or the cloth at a rate i can accept. Now whether that means you being a botanist who gets silk, you being a scholar who orders your retainers to get you silk, or you being a weaver who makes cloth from silk he gets in either of those 2 ways(or even buys cheaply from the board) is potentially up to you.

For gathering itd work mostly the same way. Level up one or more of the gathering classes a little, look at what items you can get, look at the board to see what makes money, and spend some of your in-game time getting it to sell. Markets will change a little, but often the mats that sell the most often are the ones that are needed the most often - meaning they tend to be a little more stable. Gathering is super easy to do, if a little boring at times. On both the crafting and gathering sides, dont assume you need to be level 60 to make money. There are gathered items you can profit from that are obtainable within an hour of accepting the class, and ditto for some of the low level crafting mats you can make early.

Finally, How long do you have to commit to this per day/week? If the answer is a lot, feel free to try multiple methods to get your cash flowing. If your time is more limited, look for where you can maximize your time spent versus what you gain from it. And if you decide to start leveling crafting and gathering classes, remember that leves are your friends. Also remember that the ixali and moogle beast tribes give crafting exp(birds from 1-50, mogs from 50-60) for their daily quests. And while we're at it, remember that your army has a daily list of items you can turn in for exp and seals. Those are all ways to get more leveling done in less time on the crafting/gathering side.

tl;dr Lots of things you can try, find the approach that suits you!

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Originally Posted by Frizze

You're a level 60 scholar(and not much else by your own admission). Is that a raid-ish level 60, or a more casual level 60?

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The answer is newbie level, LS profile shows NQ Chermical gear.

OP,

Crafting for Beginner's:
First get all your crafters to 15 to gain access to all basic cross crafting skills.
Then get them all to 50 to gain access to full set cross class crafting skills. These skills allow you to reliably make HQ items with NQ materials.

Crafting is expensive, you pay with time or GIL.
Lower Gil with higher time, if you gather your own materials.
Truck loads more Gil, with way less time, if you buy your materials. Many, many base materials can be purchase from in game vendors at significantly lower prices than the Market Board.
Do the Beast Tribes to unlock additional vendors and materials.

DoW Gil Guide, you need GIL to pay for your crafting. At least until you have the skills to make items HQ that population wants to buy from you.

Caimie's Crafting Guide something every craft should read at least once.
Crafting simulator for practising different rotations without burning your materials
Unspoiled Nodes for end game gathering.
Emphemial Nodes gathering rotation.
Gear Guide for end game crafting.
Fisher Reference.
Desynthesis Guide

Crafting Rotations follow some basis rules:
1. The opener, Comfort Zone, Inner Quiet.
Each successful quality touch will increase your inner quiet stacks. Each increase makes you a stronger quality crafter. Inner quiet has no effect on completion.

2. Get your completion to within one Careful Synthesis II of 100%.

3. Use skills to restore/conserve your CP.
Comfort Zone, costs 66 but over 10 steps, restores 80, thus, +14 effect.
Hasty Touch and Rapid Synthesis, costs 0 CP as the expense of RNG.
Tricks of the Trade, restores 20 CP for each use.

4. Use skills to buff your skills.
Steady Hand (22 CP), Steady Hand II (25 CP), increase reliablitiy of your actions.
E.g. Pop Steady Hand II, the use Hasty Touch mutliple times. This will give you an 80% success rate on 5 quality touches costing 0 CP.
Great Strides doubles your next touch effectiveness.
Innovation increases your skill for up to 3 touches.

Ineguity II is generally only required for crafts above your own level.
E.g. Lv60** or Lv60*** crafts

5. Use skills to restore/conserve your Durabitliy.
Masters Mend, Masters Mend II, Manipulation, Waste Not, Waste Not II.
For Durability 70/80 crafts, Master Mend II is the most efficient.
For Durabiltiy 35/40 crafts, Manipulation is most efficient, followed very closely by Masters Mend.

6. The finisher, you have many, many Inner Quiet stack built up, time to use Byregots for a hugh quality jump.
E.g. SH2, Ingenuity II, Innovation, Basic Touch, Great Strides, Byregot's Blessing.
I use this for macro crafting.
E.g. SH2, Great Strides, Ingenuity II, Byregot's Brow (only on good), Innovation, Byregot's Blessing (only if Inner Quiet still up)

thank you for the in-depth, helpful responses, Chameleon of Frizze. :)

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

The answer is newbie level, LS profile shows NQ Chermical gear.

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Yeah, i could have looked at the profile and gotten a feel for that myself. I will admit to being lazy in my text-dump reply. As i was coming up with a response i hit on the idea of framing the advice as a series of questions the OP(or anyone else who read the post later on with the same question) could answer for himself with a variety of accompanying ideas based on those answers. And i specifically wanted to do a spread of ideas instead of a focus on just one. Im sure i missed a few good ones too, but it felt like a good start. One thing i didnt say but meant to: when checking prices on your market board you want to look for 2 things. How much something sells for and how often it sells. A shiny new blacksmith hammer might sell for millions, but if only one sells per month it isnt a great market to chase. Something that sells dozens of times a day for thousands each gives you a much better start on building up your bankroll.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

One thing i didnt say but meant to: when checking prices on your market board you want to look for 2 things. How much something sells for and how often it sells. A shiny new blacksmith hammer might sell for millions, but if only one sells per month it isnt a great market to chase. Something that sells dozens of times a day for thousands each gives you a much better start on building up your bankroll.

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Sage Advice which I live by too.

A lot of people will tell you to level your crafters, your gatherers, and your retainers. Most won't tell you the enormous amounts of gil you will pour into them doing so. IOW, if you need gil, leveling all these classes isn't going to do that for you. However, if you pace your leveling instead powering through with gil, you can level all of these classes and even turn a profit.

The thing is, a big reason to level all of this things is to become self-reliant. You will find that by the time you level all of these classes and get them geared, you don't really need gil as you have the means to acquire whatever it is your after yourself. Becoming a millionaire is kind of thing that just naturally happens from having so many ways to supply a demand.

Last, making tons of gil in a very short time can happen for non-crafters/gatherers as well. For example a lucky EX primal run can grant your items that crafters will pay generously for. Done with DF, toss a /shout to see if anyone wants the item, and done. In the end though, the way you make gil in this game is by making more than you spend. You simply have to find the method that works for you, and be ready to find more of them based on what you're doing at the time.

You dont even need crafters or whatnot. Just level your fisher with leves to 60 in a 2-3 days, get some cheap blue scripts gear and just go afkfishing in diadem for an hour and get your 600-1000k gil per hour.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

A lot of people will tell you to level your crafters, your gatherers, and your retainers. Most won't tell you the enormous amounts of gil you will pour into them doing so. IOW, if you need gil, leveling all these classes isn't going to do that for you. However, if you pace your leveling instead powering through with gil, you can level all of these classes and even turn a profit.

The thing is, a big reason to level all of this things is to become self-reliant. You will find that by the time you level all of these classes and get them geared, you don't really need gil as you have the means to acquire whatever it is your after yourself. Becoming a millionaire is kind of thing that just naturally happens from having so many ways to supply a demand.

Last, making tons of gil in a very short time can happen for non-crafters/gatherers as well. For example a lucky EX primal run can grant your items that crafters will pay generously for. Done with DF, toss a /shout to see if anyone wants the item, and done. In the end though, the way you make gil in this game is by making more than you spend. You simply have to find the method that works for you, and be ready to find more of them based on what you're doing at the time.

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If you are sensible you don't need massive amounts of gil to level crafts. Start with the gathering classes esp mining and grab all the mats yourself and sell off the HQ you want to keep the nq for levelling the crafts.

When u start the crafts don't just stay on one craft all the way to 60 or you are just asking to lose gil. Level all crafts to 15 next take CUL to 37 and then level all to 37. Finally take all to 50 getting all the skills will help you hq and make the leves cheaper and easier to do. Also level up your retainers to get mats you are short on or a pain to get. Beyond 50 carry on keeping them all closely levelled together many of the recipes will cross over and make it cheap to level.

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Originally Posted by RapthorneLycaeus

I'm a level 60 scholar/summoner, (with very few other classes even really touched), and I'm looking to find out how best to make some gil. During the course of my entire playtime from 1 to 60, I've made about 700k, however I hear people can make millions in a day with very little effort.

Googling hasn't helped me much, so I come to you lovely forum goers in hopes of a guiding hand.

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Not sure how you managed that, because the story line 1-50 gives you a total of 1.3 mil. The story line 50-60 gives you 2.1 mil total. Now if we include the daily roulette's even if you're not a adventurer in need, the primals, any other dungeon that you need to unlock anyways, side quests etc. that adds up to nearly 4 million. So I doubt you made just 700k, somehow that tells me you probably logged into the game and then went afk. But as others mentioned crafting/gathering does give some money, not on your server so, since everything is dirt cheap compared to servers with barely any population and therefore a higher demand on mats/items. Give it a shot and see how it works out for you.

ERP.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

Not sure how you managed that, because the story line 1-50 gives you a total of 1.3 mil. The story line 50-60 gives you 2.1 mil total. Now if we include the daily roulette's even if you're not a adventurer in need, the primals, any other dungeon that you need to unlock anyways, side quests etc. that adds up to nearly 4 million. So I doubt you made just 700k, somehow that tells me you probably logged into the game and then went afk. But as others mentioned crafting/gathering does give some money, not on your server so, since everything is dirt cheap compared to servers with barely any population and therefore a higher demand on mats/items. Give it a shot and see how it works out for you.

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I second what Luna said, my son has just hit 54 and he has 1.8 mill. My guess is you purchased over inflated NQ/HQ gear and glamour from market board instead of NQ gear from npcs.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

If you are sensible you don't need massive amounts of gil to level crafts. Start with the gathering classes esp mining and grab all the mats yourself and sell off the HQ you want to keep the nq for levelling the crafts.

When u start the crafts don't just stay on one craft all the way to 60 or you are just asking to lose gil. Level all crafts to 15 next take CUL to 37 and then level all to 37. Finally take all to 50 getting all the skills will help you hq and make the leves cheaper and easier to do. Also level up your retainers to get mats you are short on or a pain to get. Beyond 50 carry on keeping them all closely levelled together many of the recipes will cross over and make it cheap to level.

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Agreed. That is why I also mentioned that you can actually turn a profit leveling DoH if it's paced, and as you say, sensible. But if you decide to powerlevel them and marketboard all the mats and your gear, we are talking a massive gil dump.

Leveling your gatherers first is akin to your comment about how leveling just one crafting class is asking to pay serious dividends towards the one you choose. Without DoH to support DoL, we're talking having to acquire HQ gear, materia, and melds for you to be able to gather sensibly and efficiently. MASSIVE gil spending unless you have a crafting buddy to help you out, and even then, it is a lot to ask of them. On my server anyone can expect to put about a solid mil into their gatherers getting them to 50. Luckily, they share most of the gear through the leveling stages.

It's a difficult choice when choosing to level DoH or DoL first. One has you buying mats the other can gather, the next has you buying the gear the other can make. Leveling them all at once can be done to get past that, but it will be sloooooowww. Some people are ok with that though, but like you pointed out, there are distinct advantages from taking a class like CUL straight 37 or CRP to 50 once they all hit 15.

Crafting, gathering, and Beast Tribes. Like the Glass items from Mog tribe as example were selling for over 200K when first introduced, now they linger at around 70K.
Also i am assuming you have retainers, if possible get a few more both for storage purposes and to gather or hunt. Deeptear Eye's i find have always sold decently.

1) Crafting. If you get some of the not-cooking professions to at least 50, you can start making money with glamours, level 50 relic bases, glamour crystals, levequest and class quest items and housing items.

2) Weekly level 60 raid (24 man). The materia reward sells for 300k-500k for 30 minutes of effort.

3) Convert your Grand Company seals to the best selling items. Save all raid gear tokens (from the 8 mans) and blue quality gear so you can get seals with them in the next patch. Greed on all the green gear in dungeons to do the same with those.

4) If you have a fc room you can start basic gardening. Some plants go for twice as much as their seeds. I'm growing Thavnairian Onion at the moment, it's a plant that lets one raise their chocobo to rank 20. Always in demand.

5) Maps at level 60. There is no cooldown for this, just buy a map and get going with some friends who also bring maps. Walk away with more money than you spent.

6) Ventures. Free stuff is free money.

7) Level 44-48 beast tribe quests. After a certain rank you start to get materia with every quest.

8) Spiritbonding while leveling. A good way to make money back from any crafted items or vendor gear.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

A lot of people will tell you to level your crafters, your gatherers, and your retainers. Most won't tell you the enormous amounts of gil you will pour into them doing so. IOW, if you need gil, leveling all these classes isn't going to do that for you. However, if you pace your leveling instead powering through with gil, you can level all of these classes and even turn a profit.

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Also this. Don't powerlevel. Just use up your leve allowances and make all the items (that you can) yourself. This way it's almost free. With some foresight you can level gathering whilst simultaneously getting all the necessary materials for leves.

If your just starting out in this game Do Not lead with crafting the mats and criss skills needed will bury you , instead become a minner , fisher or botanist you can create money from basically nothing as you slowly level your crafters all to lv 50

I would love to find out which gathering profession makes the most Gil?

Gathering classes? They all have their advantages. Miner is best because many of its materials are used by multiple classes or over long level stretches. Botanist is best because half of the crafters can get nowhere without it(well, its mats anyway). Fisher is best because it annoys some people so you have less competition to worry about. Which would allow you to make the most money depends on the server youre on and how much time youre willing to put into it.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Gathering classes? They all have their advantages. Miner is best because many of its materials are used by multiple classes or over long level stretches. Botanist is best because half of the crafters can get nowhere without it(well, its mats anyway). Fisher is best because it annoys some people so you have less competition to worry about. Which would allow you to make the most money depends on the server youre on and how much time youre willing to put into it.

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Thanks for that, I definitely enjoy doing all gathering professions coming from runescape I don't mind woodcutting , mining and fishing haha.