Allow Level 50 Roulette to unlock progressively (as other Roulettes do)

Edit: A reply clarified that other Roulettes share the non-progressive lockout system of Level 50 Roulette. (but I can't edit the post title)
My opinion on the matter, and QOL suggestion regarding it, extends to any Roulette with this Pokémon unlock system. I think it is both counter-intuitive and unnecessary, there are better ways to incentivize players to unlock unpopular dungeons.

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I'm currently working on my ARR Relic, and I just received a useful quest — Morbid Motivation — that asks me to do Level 50 Roulette.

However, Level 50 Roulette is locked behind a list of dungeons, such as "???", and another which sounds even more exciting — "???".

I know (from outside research) that these must be Snowcloak and Keeper of the Lake. They're not unlocked because I haven't reached that point in the MSQ yet — and I refuse to rush the storyline just to unlock a roulette.

I believe the developers' logic for structuring L50 Roulette this way is to ensure that players don't just unlock a handful of easy dungeons, ignore the others, and thus defeat the point of the Roulette (helping players complete orphaned or outdated content).

I think that L50 Roulette should work like every other Roulette: upon unlocking at least two L50 Dungeons, the L50 Roulette should become available.

A simple incentive — such as a Title, Achievement, Minion, repainted Mount, or something — could then be provided to encourage players to still track down and unlock all Level 50 dungeons (to keep the Roulette pool diversified).

So because you don't feel like unlocking Snowcloak and Keeper right now, you feel the requirements for the 50 roulette should be changed?
Not to be rude, but it kinda sounds like you're asking for a handout.
Play the game \o/!

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

I think that L50 Roulette should work like every other Roulette: upon unlocking at least two L50 Dungeons, the L50 Roulette should become available.

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That actually isnt how "every" other roulette works. Thats how leveling, guildhest, and trials work. The level 50, level 60, and expert(and mentor? i dont have that one as im not a mentor so im not sure) all unlock once youve cleared the list(ok, the expert list IS only 2 but you still do the full list). As to whether it should be changed, i dont really have an opinion. I dont mind the current setup, but i wouldnt feel hurt if they changed it either.

The level 50 roulette is boring - my opinion. Once you get to level 60 it is really annoying to lose all the skills from the expansion. It might seem stupid that you have to do all the dungeons first, but you really aren't missing much by not having it. Personally I would never even bother unlocking it were it not for my EB partner at time who wanted to eRP through all of the dungeons... and even now I step in only when some of my friends need faster Q time for it.

So if you want to unlock it, btw even if they changed it it would be too late for you, do the dungeons at your own pace or ignore it. As I said you aren't really missing much unless you are completionist or unless you care about that small bonus you get for snoozing through it. The other roulettes will keep you busy easily.

I'm sorry OP, but changing the way the current roulette is would just make people skip the dungeons they hate, and in turn keep the ones they like. This is something that I think should not be allowed, since we already have people leaving as soon as they join an instance, and if the roulette has to force people to do older content to help push the newer players along, then so be it, but giving people an out means they will leave if they get the chance.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

So because you don't feel like unlocking Snowcloak and Keeper right now, you feel the requirements for the 50 roulette should be changed?
Not to be rude, but it kinda sounds like you're asking for a handout.
Play the game \o/!

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No, that is not what I said. I was stating my personal reason for being annoyed by the system.

Obviously, anything SE does to change this would happen far too late to make any difference to me. Therefore, it should be clear this suggestion is because I simply think the system is flawed and I am making a QOL suggestion. Not because I expect any direct personal benefit from it.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

I'm sorry OP, but changing the way the current roulette is would just make people skip the dungeons they hate, and in turn keep the ones they like.

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I don't think this argument is actually correct. Because you don't need to unlock Qarn, Cutter's Cry, Dzemael, or Aurum Vale in order to run Leveling Roulette. Players unlock them anyway (and then complain about getting Roulette'd in).

I also touched on this already by noting that some form of completionist reward could (should) be added for still unlocking all of them.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

That actually isnt how "every" other roulette works. Thats how leveling, guildhest, and trials work. The level 50, level 60, and expert(and mentor? i dont have that one as im not a mentor so im not sure) all unlock once youve cleared the list(ok, the expert list IS only 2 but you still do the full list).

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Thank you for clarifying this, I wasn't aware.

In that case, I extend my opinion to any Roulette with a non-progressive lockout. I think this is counter-intuitive.

Mentor Roulette also requires players to complete all instances in the roulette to unlock it.

Historically people purposefully not unlocking tougher dungeons has been a problem for the game. Qarn was added to the 2.1 Main story to force people to unlock it since it was often skipped.
Expert roulette originally didn't require you to complete every instance in it but in 2.1 people would purposefully only unlock Copperbell HM and Haukke HM and skip Pharos Sirius since it was a lot harder than the other two at the time. So SE changed how the roulette worked to require all instances completed.

Leveling and Guildhest roulettes don't require you to complete everything likely because the developers want players to be able to use them to help level their first job.
Trial originally required you to complete every trial in it but that was changed presumably so people who don't have the expansion can participate in it. Also possibly due to complaints by players that disliked the Hildebrand questline and hated having to do it for the trials.

What options is trying to say is make it like leveling roulette where it just randomized experience dungeons you unlock which can be a good idea and bad cause people then get stupid dungeons like quart hm or other stupid 50.dungeons like Sastasha hm they quit I go for both Ideas but there's really are some sucks annoying dungeons where you say fuck this shit

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Originally Posted by Eorzean_username

I don't think this argument is actually correct. Because you don't need to unlock Qarn, Cutter's Cry, Dzemael, or Aurum Vale in order to run Leveling Roulette. Players unlock them anyway (and then complain about getting Roulette'd in).

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It's absolutely correct because that's what happened, and this is what prompted SE to change it. People were unlocking only WP and AK normal and running roulette on those. It used to be the way you've requested and the players abused it, so I highly doubt they'd reopen it to that abuse.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

It's absolutely correct because that's what happened, and this is what prompted SE to change it. People were unlocking only WP and AK normal and running roulette on those. It used to be the way you've requested and the players abused it, so I highly doubt they'd reopen it to that abuse.

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Now that you mention it, I do actually remember this. I didn't actually make my comment based on that, just simply looking at the way the current playerbase runs. I'm reminded of when they changed it so if a person leaves a pre-made party in a roulette, they get a 30 min penalty. Cause I remember everyone was running Brayflox HM at the time, and no one wanted to do Qarn HM, or Hali HM at the time so we'd enter and leave a bunch trying to get Brayflox, cause speedrun. If it can be abused, it will be abused.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

It's absolutely correct because that's what happened, and this is what prompted SE to change it.

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Originally Posted by Nyghtmarerobu

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Okay, I understand. Thanks for all being patient and explaining.

That seemed counter-intuitive to me based on human nature — my assumption was that players would be too tempted to try out new things to resist unlocking each content. However, if there's direct contrary evidence historically, then I will concede the point. (Even though it's a bit depressing)

What if the Roulette rewards scaled based on the number of options unlocked? And the final unlock (all Dungeons in the category) could provide a disproportionately larger final boost to the bonus, to dis-incentivize the temptation to unlock everything except those 1 or 2 dungeons a player dislikes.

That would allow newer players to jump in and start earning the rewards (at a reduced rate) as soon as they unlock a few Dungeons in each category, so no one feels left out, or forced to slog through a lot of stuff in one sitting. But it would also still incentivize players to keep adding unlocks to their Roulette to get the full reward.

It is a bit depressing really. I know I'm always excited to see as much content as I can.

I wouldn't mind a system like that. I suppose the toughest thing for SE would be deciding how to scale the rewards for partial unlocks.

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Originally Posted by Moomba33

It is a bit depressing really. I know I'm always excited to see as much content as I can.

I wouldn't mind a system like that. I suppose the toughest thing for SE would be deciding how to scale the rewards for partial unlocks.

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I don't think they would need to. Many of the rewards already scale based on your own level. They could do the same though they might want to increase it as an incentive to get more people to participate in it.