Pre-Alexander Savage BIS Item lists

So this is just me with too much free time. I've helped out many people on my old server with some of their BISs and thought I'd post some of them here for critique / opinions. Also I thought it would be cool if I could help people if they do turn out good. I've been doing research on the stats and stat weights based on what I've seen on the web and this is what I came out with. I go into creating one with the thought in mind that I want to try and max the stats they ask for while making sure they meet A8s acc cap. This way they can look for upgrades in the midan gear easily as they progress through the savage raids.



These are most of the ones that were requested of me to make. The people that I gave them to are pretty happy with them. I just want to reiterate that these are made without any midan gear in them. That way people can have gear that makes it possible to keep progressing without having to farm for midan pieces. Of course midan pieces will make you stronger though :P

Bard Builds:
1. Critical and Skill speed build - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UL0L
2. Critical and Determination build - http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYDB

The only real difference between the two of them is (1) has 80 more SKS if you want that for DOTs and minuet, and it has 10 more DEX. Otherwise you trade it for slightly more CRT and DET.

Dragoon :
1. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYD8

I built this one focusing on CRT and DET, however it got a decent amount of SKS with it along the way. I feel like this build is pretty strong. As for food, you already have enough ACC so i would go with either Steamed Staff or Morel Salad.

Monk :
1. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYDI

This is another one that i build focusing mostly on CRT, but a shit ton of SKS came for the ride. If you look you will notice that yes, there is a 220 pentameld ring in their. This is a placeholder for your midan ring since they will have similar CRT and ACC.

Summoner :
1. http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYDR

You make ACC cap for A8s, have almost 1.2k CRT and almost 650 SKS. Your dps is also boosted by having the little extra DET @ 449.

You might wanna do some more research. First of all caster doesn't require the same accuracy as physical, caster accuracy is 590-591.
Second why are you insisting on using a lot of i230 pieces? Most of these pieces are inferior stat weight wise, additionally if you look into how stat weights work the stat weights will lower as you drop in main stat meaning that losing 6 of a main stat equals to more than just 6 stat weight loss.

Here are some sets with higher stat weight while still in the accuracy requirements that I made based on yours.
SMN:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYFW

MNK:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYFY

DRG:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYG0

BRD:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYG4

There's a feature on Ariyala that shows the stat weights of an item directly which makes it quite easy to find which pieces are good.

If you don't use any Midan pieces, wouldn't you just have an i240 lore set with possibly a weeping city piece if the weight is better? I mean it's not like you really have any choices.

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Originally Posted by Krindor

You might wanna do some more research. First of all caster doesn't require the same accuracy as physical, caster accuracy is 590-591.
Second why are you insisting on using a lot of i230 pieces? Most of these pieces are inferior stat weight wise, additionally if you look into how stat weights work the stat weights will lower as you drop in main stat meaning that losing 6 of a main stat equals to more than just 6 stat weight loss.

Here are some sets with higher stat weight while still in the accuracy requirements that I made based on yours.
SMN:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYFW

MNK:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYFY

DRG:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYG0

BRD:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYG4

There's a feature on Ariyala that shows the stat weights of an item directly which makes it quite easy to find which pieces are good.

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That skillspeed for DRG is way too high, right in the Dead Zone.

Thanks for the replies. So in the diff between 26 str and about 170 crt, the 26 str still wins in the mnk example? I understand that my mnk probably has way too much sks though. Im not sure how each point in the stats converts to damage so i was deciding based on losses vs gains what i thought was stronger. I know crt scales well since it increases both crt chance and the multiplier. So i was leaning really heavily on it. I just want to make sure that the item sets i make are the best I can make them for my FC members.

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Originally Posted by KazumaRXZ

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If you click on the bis solver button at the bottom of ariyala and click show stat weights you'll see the values. 26 str is not better than 170 crt if that is the only tradeoff but when strength and other stats is traded off for an increase in crit it will cause the value of everything to drop off. One crit is worth about 0.226 for MNK meaning that if you gain 5 points per strength lost it's a slight gain. To add on SkS is worth 0.137 str and DET 0.176 str. This is how we calculate which is the best piece for the slot. For MNK SkS is forced to be high due to available gear and trying to drop it is going to cause an overall loss in damage instead.

I dont get it, why would people want to use an a8s ready set if they havent even cleared a5s? By the time you reach a8s you will have midan loot and probs lots of it.

Thanks Krindor. I didnt look at it that way. I guess I kinda just thought of them as a priority list, highest number usually wins unless you find a tradeoff you think is worth it.

Also Jack, my line of thinking was that not all midan pieces are your BIS. And if you go into a5,6, and 7 savage with something like this you just subsitute the midan pieces as you get them.

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Originally Posted by Krindor

You might wanna do some more research. First of all caster doesn't require the same accuracy as physical, caster accuracy is 590-591.
Second why are you insisting on using a lot of i230 pieces? Most of these pieces are inferior stat weight wise, additionally if you look into how stat weights work the stat weights will lower as you drop in main stat meaning that losing 6 of a main stat equals to more than just 6 stat weight loss.

Here are some sets with higher stat weight while still in the accuracy requirements that I made based on yours.
SMN:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYFW

MNK:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYFY

DRG:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYG0

BRD:
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/UYG4

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I'm curious, this is the best gear for a summoner to have according to your links? I always though Intelligence was stronger than crit and determination? Is the difference in damage that vast? (new to this)

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Originally Posted by PrincessNuri

I'm curious, this is the best gear for a summoner to have according to your links? I always though Intelligence was stronger than crit and determination? Is the difference in damage that vast? (new to this)

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It isn't the best gear possible if you do savage but it's the best gear without savage pieces. The reason for it is that the amount of accuracy required is low so that if you choose the Lore chest piece you would have 112 worthless stats Trading those for 98 crit is worth it as 98 crit = 17.7 int compared to the 10 int you lose from going down 10 ilvls.

Oh alright! I will use your list for best gear before savage. Tyvm do you have a link of summoner gear with all Savage items? I assume it is still the best gear in game?

A BiS gearset without savage gear is not a BiS gearset. Also, if you don't do savage, what are you optimising for? Ex roulette? :p

oh no lol i just wanted to have the best gear to survive savage is all :cool: