Disconnect While Crafting

Can we Please just get something to fix the loss on disconnect when crafting. With How "temperamental" connections to this games servers can be for people who have great internet connections. Endgame crafting is not Cheap. Even with 100s of million in gil, almost a million or more loss in mats per disconnect at no fault of your own is very annoying. I'm not talking a reclaim system for when you disconnect. But some sort of "Pause" so people can't abuses it for mats when they mess up a synth.

Keep asking, someday we have this dream come true.

I think this can be abused. How are they going to diferentiate who disconnects legit from who unplugs the router because they dont want to finish a 67% HQ craft?

this will never happen because it will open space for cheating!

because everyone who will so fail at a craft, will just plug out internet before it end.
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SO JUST GET PROPER INTERNET!!! :p

SE cant do anything about your internet provider connection! ;)

regards small hobbit

I agree this is frustrating, and i wish they could fix it. I dont think they can/will.

And if a crash/disco just snapshotted and "paused" the crafting, and you reconnected to the same step with the same buffs same counters same cp and same material condition how could people use it to cheat? I mean maybe its possible and im not creative enough to see it, but if it was literally just "paused" until you got back and it then "unpaused" for you to continue then that seems like itd be cheat-proof.

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Originally Posted by Igrainne

I think this can be abused. How are they going to diferentiate who disconnects legit from who unplugs the router because they dont want to finish a 67% HQ craft?

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if you DC while crafting, you will back to where you were if you login within 5 mins or so?

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Originally Posted by SmallHobbit

SO JUST GET PROPER INTERNET!!! :p

SE cant do anything about your internet provider connection! ;)

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There's nothing wrong with my internet, my connection is just fine except for the FFXIV. SE can do plenty about the issue, programming how a bad packet is dealt with for example. A hiccup in the internet's tubes doesn't have to cause the game to be unresponsive for 20 seconds then boot you, especially when you're the only person in an instanced zone.

I could agree with it being a nice addition so long as it's only pausing the craft where it was rather than being a 100% reclaim. I haven't had any issues myself with it but I too would hate to lose high end crafting materials if the power went out or I dc'd.

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Originally Posted by falactal

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There! There! /pat At least it isn't last patch. It was SO much worse to DC in the middle of crafting a 170 crafting chest piece. I... I'm still traumatized over that.

I do believe we need some sort of a grace period after we DC. Give us several minutes, at the last, to log back in. All they'd have to do is place us where we were so it wouldn't be subject to cheating.

I've posted on this multiple times with solutions which would not have been exploitable. I've had some rough losses myself and have probably lost more over time than most (since I had notable disconnection problems). The best I can do is recommend to check out Mithrie's guide on disconnections. Below is what I wrote up for my FC members recently if anyone else finds it useful.

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Hi Everyone. We all get disconnected from FFXIV sometimes. But some of us get kicked more than others. This guide applies to people who get disconnected anywhere from a few times a day to a few times a week. Most specifically when you get disconnected and your web browser is still working (and your internet is fine)

I spent quite a bit of time debugging the problem last year monitoring and logging my own disconnections, and what I found is there is an L3 problem between Canada and northern North Carolina. With this said, L3 problems can and will affect multiple people. In this case the crux of the issue is that the L3 in that area drops some packets every once in a while, not many but just a few for a second here or there.

The problem is games like FFXIV tolerate VERY VERY few missing packets or pauses in the network communication. The fix is to tell your operating system to send out smaller packets. Leatrix Latency Fix and the TcpAckFrequency registery changes are the best at doing this. I've linked some videos and instructions below for these changes. I applied both of these to my system roughly a year ago and had an immediate drop of 95% of my disconnections. I virtually never get disconnected any more. Let me know if you have any questions!

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Mithrie's Video (I only use two of the ones he mentions):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUr7kaPl1vg

The ones I applied:
Leatrix Latency Fix (thanks to JulbarsM for the link): http://wowinterface.com/downloads/in...atencyFix.html

Registry Updates:
http://www.icpdas.com/root/support/f...K_Delay_en.pdf
TcpAckFrequency = 1
TCPNoDelay = 1 - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l...(v=ws.10).aspx
TcpDelAckTicks = 0 - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../cc938206.aspx

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

SE can do plenty about the issue, programming how a bad packet is dealt with for example. A hiccup in the internet's tubes doesn't have to cause the game to be unresponsive for 20 seconds then boot you, especially when you're the only person in an instanced zone.

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And this is exactly right. SE has incredibly low tolerance for dropped packets. I had incredible improvement in connectivity by returning my TCP packets on an OS level. But this is something SE could and should have handled in their server/client communication. Most MMOs do and have a much higher tolerance for dropped packets.

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Originally Posted by Katlyna

And this is exactly right. SE has incredibly low tolerance for dropped packets. I had incredible improvement in connectivity by returning my TCP packets on an OS level. But this is something SE could and should have handled in their server/client communication. Most MMOs do and have a much higher tolerance for dropped packets.

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I'll have to try your fixes. I've lost 3 ironworks synths (pants/shoes/offhand), a lumi fiber synth, and a handful of eikon material synths since 3.3 came out. More annoying than the gil value lost is the time lost on a recipe that takes ten 2-star and 3-star synths to make the materials.

They could fix this, by having the game save the exact state of your craft with each step. You log out or disconnect, you come back to the exact state you were in (maybe minus food buffs if gone long enough, and with appropriate FC buffs). SE does not want to have to do this for some reason though.

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Originally Posted by SmallHobbit

this will never happen because it will open space for cheating!

because everyone who will so fail at a craft, will just plug out internet before it end.
:rolleyes:

SO JUST GET PROPER INTERNET!!! :p

SE cant do anything about your internet provider connection! ;)

regards small hobbit

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reclaim (you can have this) as if getting proper internet is as easy as saying it

Too many people say "get proper internet" when reality is the servers are in Canada and there are some L3 servers between the US and Canada which drop packets, and FFXIV is intolerant of dropping packets. That scenario is WAY more complicated than "get better internet"

These complicated internet issues are why so many people get the occasional disconnection or even experience sudden mass server drop offs.

Perfect internet from A to B can fix the problem. But perfect 0 latency internet is a myth. All internet has range of quality. And most ISPs are acceptable to great. The problem is FFXIV isn't acceptable of "good" internet. Their protocol expects great to near perfect protocol. Hense some folks suffer </3

Again they really need to take a look at the client <-> server communication and make it slightly more compatible with dropped packets. Its not like the current design is blocking teleport bots anyway... looool

All those people saying a fix would be abused, would you please get on your knees and bang your head on the ground three times. After each time your head rises from the floor, repeat this truth: "I don't think before I speak."

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

All those people saying a fix would be abused, would you please get on your knees and bang your head on the ground three times. After each time your head rises from the floor, repeat this truth: "I don't think before I speak."

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If the "fix" was to simply return all mats when you disconnect, then yes, that would be abused.

If the "fix" was to save the state of the crafting at every step, then no, it would be impossible to abuse.

It really depends upon what sort of fix, if any, that they decide to implement.

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Originally Posted by MikeWW

All those people saying a fix would be abused, would you please get on your knees and bang your head on the ground three times. After each time your head rises from the floor, repeat this truth: "I don't think before I speak."

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No, thank you. Please apply to yourself. It's good to question the "fixes" that get suggested. It's better to see the abuse before it's put it, than after. We can then begin to build on those suggestions to come up with better ideas.

As I've proposed before reclaim should be made core to all classes, and in the event of disconnection the server should attempt a reclaim if you have enough CP. If you don't have enough CP then the server should attempt progress completion of the craft using CS2/CS1/StandardSynth.

This would be much easier to implement than a state save (which dev has stated they have zero interest in) and would recover 90%+ of the disconnected crafts. This would be a relatively acceptable solution. This solution couldn't be abused either since the server is doing actions the player could do themselves if they weren't disconnected.

During 2.0 days I forced a DC just to see what would happen if I would get my mats back. I wasn't close to getting a HQ item so what better time to try it out. It didn't work, but if it did work what would stop me from abusing it?

Also used to get bad DC for a while found out it was a problem on my side(one of my fan card was getting hot so I removed it and just used my liquid cooled cards). I fixed it and never had a DC problem ever again.

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Originally Posted by LalafellDown

I wasn't close to getting a HQ item so what better time to try it out. It didn't work, but if it did work what would stop me from abusing it?

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That is why disconnection and giving your item back directly isn't the right solution. Because some abuse would occur.

As already suggested, an automatic reclaim should occur if you have the cross-class skill equipped and have enough CP. Either that or save each crafting state, but Square won't do that.

Neither of the above are abusable. The reclaim solution in particular wouldn't be overally complicated for Square to implement and would pretty much solve the issue entirely.

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Originally Posted by Igrainne

I think this can be abused. How are they going to diferentiate who disconnects legit from who unplugs the router because they dont want to finish a 67% HQ craft?

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I think what they're asking for is something that stores your crafting progress, and that will log you back into the same place where you left off. There's nothing quite as frustrating as losing a 95%+ HQ craft to a 90002 error. Being able to sign back in and get that craft back right where you left it would be the ideal situation.