I for one do NOT want dragoon to have one. I want to be able to spit fire out of my mouth!
Like this post if you want a wyvren by your side!
Do you want Dragoon to have a pet!? (poll)
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11-04-2011, 02:16 AMRokienDo you want Dragoon to have a pet!? (poll)
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11-04-2011, 02:17 AMRokien
Like this post if you don't!
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11-04-2011, 06:55 AMSeirra_Lanzce
what a smart way to do poll :|
why not 3 post. -
11-04-2011, 08:08 AMRokien
What are you talking about O.o;;;
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11-04-2011, 08:35 AMArland
Again, the fourth thread i ranted about wyvern. I don't want to have one following me around.
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11-04-2011, 08:36 AMRokien
^.^ you didn't have to post in it :P lol
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11-04-2011, 08:37 AMArland
Postcount +1, that why i HAVE to post in it :D
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11-04-2011, 08:42 AMRokien
lol Ah, well more votes is all for the better though ^.^
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11-05-2011, 09:00 PMZanfire
poll is skewed by the loads of people who havent even touched lancer who are anti-wyvern.
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11-05-2011, 10:56 PMHyrist
Odd that I've been on both sides of popular debate and I still find aggravation at both sides.
If you can't handle that your ideal is unpopular, then don't play MMOs. Don't try to excuse it based off the ideal that only 'real Dragoons' want a Wyvern. That's a loser's logic (also known as sour grapes). Just because your ideal is different than others, dosen't make it more correct, or you more beholden to a job than to others.
The content is for EVERYONE. Even those who may or may not choose to 'main' the job you're speaking of.
Just because your idea is unpopular doesn't automatically disqualify the popular opinion for whatever excuse you'd like to imagine up at the time. The majority of players don't want Dragoon to be tied to a Wyvern as part of its mechanic. Instead of trying to disqualify that fact, perhaps you should start looking for alternative solutions that would satisfy both camps.
There are other ways of making Dragoon unique in it's own right, than to have a little pet always flying around it. -
11-08-2011, 01:14 AMKrausushow would you know? I think you may be a bit upset from the results? I dont know 1 lancer in game that wants a wyvern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zanfire
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11-08-2011, 04:52 AMDarkrose
Of course I want a Wyvern, I can't believe people don't want it. Having a companion fight by your side is always better. It also what make it unique then other class right now. I'm looking forward to Dragoon because of Wyvern, don't ruin it for other and take it out.
Spit fire out of your mouth, man you must be smoking crack. -
11-08-2011, 05:16 AMKrausustake it out? it was never "in" Dragoon was never intended to have a wyvern in FFXIV, only now are they considering it. So please dont ruin it for the majority that don't want a pet by asking them to put it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkrose
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11-08-2011, 01:19 PMDarkrose
I'm sure spitting Fire or Glaziar out of your mouth is pretty cool....Not! Dragoon without a Wyvern is just like any other class such as Marauder though but wield a Spear instead.
Instead of making a Wyvern, they should make it they grow bigger and stronger whenever you level up. Kind of like what they did in War hammer with the Tiger. I think as long as the Wyvern look good and they balance it good enough, there is nothing wrong with having a pet. Spitting fire out of a human mouth does not make any sense. What are you? Dhalsim from Street Fighter now? How about we save the spitfire for the correct job such as Bluemage? Hmm? -
11-08-2011, 03:44 PMRokien
Dark, don't even talk anymore. Go look at every other FF game. FFXI is the only FF, that dragoon has a WYVERN! *throws a towel at Darkrose* Wipe that off, will ya.
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11-09-2011, 12:37 AMDrexlol @ people who talk without thinking......Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkrose
drg w/o pet = mrd... lol sure, but with dragon abilities and kick-ass dragon scale armor... YES PLS!!! -
11-09-2011, 12:51 AMKraususyeah because a dragoon using a breath attack is so much more out there than a DOM using magic, this is a fantasy game not sims, though keep it up you are doing fine making yourself look like an idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkrose
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11-09-2011, 03:57 AMVandark
NO WYVERN NO BAD WYVERN GO AWAY!
Having Dragoon as my Fav FFXI job and loving the Wyvern and all didn't mean squat when it came to facts about the job and the effects, having the wyvern caused DRG to be weaker then other melee classes. No one wants a half assed job around and the wyvern made Dragoon half assed to say the least sure it could solo well given the best possible gear so forth but in an end game aspect and pretty much most areas Dragoon was looked at with a blind eye and deemed useless to the majority.
I mained as dragoon for quite a long time and only because I found the job personally enjoyable, unfortunately the fact that it was continuously disheartening being the job no one wants around I had to eventually give it up and become a Red mage or I would never get any gear. WAYVERN NO THANKS! Dragoon isn't supposed to be a weak Job, look at FF3 Drg is nuts and Kain is over kill in FF4, do they have Wyverns..???? OF COURSE THEY DON'T! Why? Because they don't need a stupid dragon to help them there awesome without it. FFXIV Drg with wyvern = pansy DRG With awesome power and no stupid dragon = OVER KILL! I repeat Wyvern THANKS FOR THE OFFER BUT I'LL HAVE TO PASS! -
11-09-2011, 04:03 AMVandark
Quote Originally Posted by Darkrose View Post
Of course I want a Wyvern, I can't believe people don't want it. Having a companion fight by your side is always better. It also what make it unique then other class right now. I'm looking forward to Dragoon because of Wyvern, don't ruin it for other and take it out.
Spit fire out of your mouth, man you must be smoking crack.
I agree with Krausus, it's people like you who are going to kill Dragoon again and I simply can't stand for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
And as for these people saying your not a real Dragoon without a Wyvern, I played and mained DRG on XI for years and I can say that this time round I'd like my Fav job to stay strong and not get destroyed Thank you very much! A real Dragoon would never agree with the Wyvern a real Dragoon would be pissed at the very thaught of this horrible mistake occurring 2 games in a row. -
11-09-2011, 08:57 AMDarkroseThe real IDIOT here is you. Everyone have different opinion, some actually like having a Wyvern. Just because you don't like having a Wyvern and breathing breath out of your mouth is cool it doesn't make your ideas any better. Look like someone is mad. So whoever wanting a Wyvern now is an Idiot? You sir must be the biggest Idiot then!Quote:
Originally Posted by Krausus
And I said my ideas is to make the Wyvern grow and become stronger when you level up. That doesn't make the Wyvern a weakling like in FFXI. -
11-09-2011, 09:20 AMHyrist
That said, the idea of not having a wyvern is by in large more popular than having one.
And having a Wyvern tied to the mechanics removes the option of not having a wyvern entirely from that majority.
Where there are alternative solutions for those who want to see a wyvern present.
A mount system can do the whole "I get to watch my wyvern develop." Or having Wyverns only appear for special moves and leave can also have differing graphics depending on the tier of move, signifying growth.
I don't agree with the hostility here. But it seems that people aren't realizing just the loss of choice they have in trying to make Dragoon 'unique'. It can already be unique based off of it's stylization and battle mechanics. No pet needed for that.
The issue is for me at least, Wyverns being tied to Dragoon's mechanics to the point of harming the Dragoon's personal damage. Yoshi presented it in that fashion and that does not sit ok with me, nor the majoirty of the players. There are other ways of having Wyverns in the game, and other ways of having Dragoon be unique. There's no need for any one side being so strung up about it.
But if I was going to take a guess as to the course Yoshi and the devs are going to take on this: You won't be having a constant pet Wyvern at your side, at least not as part of Dragoon's core.
This is why I'm fishing for alternatives that are a middle ground for the player-base as a whole. Most people don't seem to want to make compromises that meet at the middle, more than simply lean slightly away from their side of the debate. Where, honestly, if there is any sort of leaning in the compromise, it should be towards what is more popular. -
11-09-2011, 11:08 AMRokien
Dark ; ; yoshi already said dragoon will be diminished if a wyvern was a sidekick.... why would you want that?
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11-09-2011, 11:53 PMJerichoI wish he never said that. Everyone is afraid of what that could mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
Yes, a lot of us want a wyvern for nostalgic purposes. In FFXI every DD job had something to set it apart from the others. WAR had overall power and attack abilities. SAM had TP and WS's. MNK had the hand-to-hand mechanics. THF had positioning. What did DRG have without the wyvern? Jump? Cool... I guess FFXI was just pretty job defining for me. I don't like to see so many features that I loved not make it to this game. I thought the wyvern was awesome... It didn't do a TON of damage, so it didn't take a lot of balancing, it was just a feature that set it aside from other DD's. -
11-10-2011, 12:58 AMKraususyou mad brahQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkrose
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11-10-2011, 01:03 AMRokienI don't care to have wyvern, but I agree with you on the job part, every job stood out. I wonder how they are going to do that here!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
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11-10-2011, 08:36 PMDrex
Jump, dragon abilities (many kind of breaths, many kind of dragon power: on attack, on crit, on tp, double att, etc, dragon fear, dragon scale defense, bla bla....) there are so many abilities we can get from dragons that Yoshi will have much troubles to dont make us too cool and unique.
If you think that only a pet can give us uniqueness, then you should read some D&D book, you will learn something about the Dragons and their lore.
Those creatures are the most powerfull and epic thing you can find in a fantasy book, their power, their intelligence, their cunning, their magic power are totally unmatchable.
Immagine a job with some of those abilities.... it will be far from be similar to other classes\jobs.
We dont need a pet, STOP! -
11-11-2011, 07:12 AMNadienKirisameSo the question I have is this... every job stood out... but how did they stand out and how will they stand out here? Lets take the jobs that will be going in here just the 3 you could say DD jobs of WAR, MNK, and DRG. How will MNK(WAR, DRG) stand out from WAR(MNK,DRG) and how will MNK(WAR,DRG) stand out from DRG(WAR,MNK) aside from them all using different weapons I mean. If you look at it not much really aside from weapons or abilities they are still damage dealing jobs they just do said damage with different weapons and abilities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rokien
So then should MNK(WAR,DRG) have some type of pet so it stands out from WAR(MNK,DRG) and DRG(WAR,MNK)?
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11-11-2011, 03:33 PMAkuun
Dragoon = dragon slayer
Wyvern = dragon
Dragoon + Wyvern = Dead Wyvern
It was a pet peeve of mine in 11, it didn't make sense to slay a dragon to unlock the job then take one as a pet.
Besides, I would rather be a bad ass DD that's not dependent on some crappy little wyvern that just gets in the way of everyone's targeting and gets one shot on tougher fights and simply kills my over all damage.
It's dragoon, if you want a pet, wait for Summoner or Beast Master to be added. -
11-11-2011, 06:18 PMReliquia/facepalm, talk about being shortsighted and oblivious to the possibility of change. You know, we aren't playing FFXI anymore, there is a possibility of improvement, and you are not going to be more of a dragon slayer than any other job even though you try to cross dress into some kind of dragon, I take it's fetish of some sort much like latex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuun
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11-11-2011, 06:36 PMPSxpert2011Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuun
I have to agree though it's FFXI and the only game I HOPE is the only one using the gimmick. -
11-11-2011, 09:04 PMWataruryuFirst let me say I'm not for or against having a wyvern. I just want wanna play my favorite job in what ever form it takes, and I'll adapt to the changes such is my love for Dragoon. I how ever would like to point out that these arguments of the Dragoon (Dragon Knight) can't have wyvern because they dragon killers, only weakens your stance due to lack of knowledge of the dragoon lore over all. Go back and check it out. Though not present in the games; The lore was still put in place as Dragoon being a knight that raised, lived, rode upon, and fought along side dragons. If aDragoon did hunt a dragon it was of the evil verity, and having commune with dragons they had better understand on killing them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuun
Once again NOT FOR OR AGAINST wyvern, but if your gonna use the lore to argue against it. Please use what SE set forth as the back story of the job, not generalized assumptions.
Sorry but after seeing stuff like this posted in multiple threads, it started to drive me nuts. I love the job to much to see its back story rip apart. /Ducks and runs for cover.....please don"t kill me. 8D -
11-12-2011, 12:31 AMREDace0
In the official live letter part ii translation Yoshi-P described a compromise that I haven't seen mentioned here, but is relevant.
Close to the end, near the 1:18:31 timestamp, he mentions that he'd like the wyvern to appear and attack while the Dragoon is performing a Jump attack. This could neatly solve the issue of a Dragoon having nothing to do while jumping, as I presume one would have control of the wyvern during this time. -
11-12-2011, 04:46 AMReliquiaI read that as well, but the way I understood is is basically that there are wyvern looking effects or animations to certain abilities, if this is the case then I don't see how it makes any difference at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by REDace0
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11-14-2011, 12:52 AMAkuunAll I have ever seen mention of dragons and dragoons working together in FF lore is in a really early game before dragoon was playable and XI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wataruryu
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11-14-2011, 12:57 AMScherwizYou do realize Wyverns arn't dragons, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuun
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11-14-2011, 02:01 AMirongripz
why not everything else is a copy/paste/rename from ffxi
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11-14-2011, 05:31 AMAkuunTell SE they're the ones that mixed it up in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scherwiz
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11-14-2011, 07:25 AMWataruryuThe name Dragoon was used because of localization issues. The job originally goes by the name Dragon Knight, which it still does in its point of origin Japan; So real historical fact on the actual name Dragoon has no bearing on the lore set forth for Dragon Knight by SE. The fact is they have never changed the back ground lore on the job be it early games or to date hence the weak wyvern in ff11.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akuun
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11-14-2011, 07:35 AMWataruryuWyverns are of the dragon kind, if you look it them up you will find almost all definitions to pretty much say the same thing. A winged two footed dragon cousin to the four legged dragon, making them dragon kind. Also learned while looking this up that cryptozoologists believe they exist, and that they are surviving pterosaurs from the age of dinosaurs. lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Scherwiz
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11-14-2011, 10:05 AMDarkrose
You know what a better ideas? Have both Class path.
There will be 2 path job lock for Dragoon, and the 2 class will have their own uniqueness strength and weakness. This will make everyone happy if they want a pet Wyvern or not.
Skills for the 2 path can be different to make both class unique of their own, and this is just some ideas.
1.) Dragoon with Wyvern path - Stronger TP attack skill with Wyvern assist for extra breath damage. Ability to jump while Wyvern assist attacking. Wyvern can use Healing Breath to heal or AOE heal everyone in party.
2.) Dragoon without Wyvern path - This path focus on executing their TP Attack without depend on wyvern, they are a bit weaker without wyvern because no Wyvern assist. There won't be any breath skills but have their own skills. Cannot heal breath, etc. They can however buff for a little more defend such as dragon scale. They can jump but no wyvern assist in attacking, etc.
I can think of more, there many skill can do to separate them. This make everyone happy because it be hard to satisfied both crowd without hurting the others.