Producer LIVE Part II thoughts

Ok, I liked nearly everything I saw in the first live interview, but this one was a bit of a mixed bag -- depending of course on how the ideas are implemented.

Monster Mounts: (Drake, Goobbue, Ahriman) - PLEASE let this be either just quest related or something related to a taming ability for a Beastmaster class/job. The last thing I want to see in the game is 40+ players riding Goobbues around everywhere I go.

Jump: way too extreme, but it's a demo so..

Dragoon pet (Wyvern): Please No... This was an awkward addition to the Dragoon job that only existed in FFXI. The jump attack is the Dragoon's signature attack and should be the focus of the job's design. Rather than FFXI, they should take inspiration from FFIX's Freya Crescent when they design the Dragoon Job.

Magitek Mount: Absolutely fantastic! The design is 100% straight out of FFVI! I'd reserve them for specific (cold-weather ;) ) regions though. I don't think a player should be able to 'whistle' for them either.. maybe rent them at a station?

Houses: Nice to see them in development. Multi-level might be nice...

Moogle Cutscene: Who doesn't love the Moogles? Look forward to the quests.

CON = WHM, THM = BLM: Can't say I agree with this, but my opinions are based on the current class abilities and lore. That said, I think we are all happy to have a concrete answer to this nagging question.

Removal of Guild Marks: Seems to indicate a bigger overhaul of class abilities than first was first suggested...Those abilities that convert one stat to another (mind over matter, etc) will definitely be missed. :(

Level cap increased at 1.21 (?): The translation was a bit ambiguous.. Personally, I'd prefer that the cap was left at 50 until 2.0, but I won't complain if it is raised.

New weapons, armor: One concern I have is that although the stuff looks very cool, I wonder if the dev team isn't making the game too flashy, too fast. MMO games need a slow build in power and design so that there is room to grow without the game becoming completely ridiculous and over the top in the later years.

The monster mounts aren't common things! They're possible rewards for playing through the calamity. The number of players you see with them will go down exponentially over time. They're a collector's item. Must. Drill. This. Into. Everyone. Who didn't. Read the letter. Thoroughly.

EDIT: Not to attack you or your view or troll or anything, but I've wanted to ride a drake since day one and for them to even entertain the idea of giving me lalafell-sized, armor-scaled, fire-breathing ferret transport (Yes. I think they look like carnivorous, reptilian ferrets) makes me /cheer with glee. Eorzea's drakes make consummate battle-mounts.

I love how people have "thoughts" yet dont bother to do some research into things..

Your first 2 thoughts made realise you need to read up on stuff first...

I'm glad we got a new thread for your thoughts.

Otherwise we might have missed them if they were piled up with any of those mere peasant's thoughts in the existing threads.

I think the whole thing was pretty informative. I mean, it's a bit of a cock-tease in terms of how much they tend to *hype* the letters versus the actual information we get, but it's very good nonetheless. Plus, riding on a Gobbue? Moogles? Crowns? Player housing possibly BEFORE 2.0? Level cap increase? Paying monthly for this game is completely justifiable now, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

The monster mounts aren't common things! They're possible rewards for playing through the calamity. The number of players you see with them will go down exponentially over time. They're a collector's item. Must. Drill. This. Into. Everyone. Who didn't. Read the letter. Thoroughly.

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So, mostly people who have ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME THROUGH 2012.

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Originally Posted by Ganvire

So, mostly people who have ACTUALLY PLAYED THE GAME THROUGH 2012.

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Problem? How many people did you know by the end of FFXI who had a rabbit belt? Or even the red specs that distributed fireworks? Harpsichord? It's not like a Speed Belt where at first they're extremely rare and over time they're easier to get. This is one time only.

The whole concept of FTP games is BUILT on the logic that cheap, popular things that are only available for a time eventually become insanely expensive collector's items that come with the message that "THIS PLAYER HAS BEEN HERE." It's a status symbol.

Is that illegitimate just because it's common AT FIRST? Throwing these things into a P2P MMO from time to time is good for player morale and makes some people go apeshit for the opportunity. I know I would...

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

Problem? How many people did you know by the end of FFXI who had a rabbit belt? Or even the red specs that distributed fireworks? Harpsichord? It's not like a Speed Belt where at first they're extremely rare and over time they're easier to get. This is one time only.

The whole concept of FTP games is BUILT on the logic that cheap, popular things that are only available for a time eventually become insanely expensive collector's items that come with the message that "THIS PLAYER HAS BEEN HERE." It's a status symbol.

Is that illegitimate just because it's common AT FIRST? Throwing these things into a P2P MMO from time to time is good for player morale and makes some people go apeshit for the opportunity. I know I would...

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I wasn't attacking you.

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Originally Posted by Ganvire

I wasn't attacking you.

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I know, I just thought you were saying that all current players would have it and thus it wouldn't be rare, and I was just trying to say... "Yet."

Or was that a joke about like, the mayan apocalypse?

Apologies if my reply sounded antagonistic; it truly was just a very long-winded "Yet."

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I know, I just thought you were saying that all current players would have it and thus it wouldn't be rare, and I was just trying to say... "Yet."

Or was that a joke about like, the mayan apocalypse?

Apologies if my reply sounded antagonistic; it truly was just a very long-winded "Yet."

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It's fine. Honestly, I have my anti-troll shield equipped around here 24/7. xD So I understand.

But really, it's only going to be as rare as the dev team allows it. Really, I think it would be interesting to have each mount given to you depending on how much you accomplished throughout the game before 2.0 or something, that way each mount will be unique or something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

The monster mounts aren't common things! They're possible rewards for playing through the calamity. The number of players you see with them will go down exponentially over time. They're a collector's item. Must. Drill. This. Into. Everyone. Who didn't. Read the letter. Thoroughly.

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Yes, know that they are considered as possible rewards for playing pre-2.0.

Large volumes of players who ride around on Drakes, etc.. (which will be roughly 75% of the current gaming population if polls are any indication) will make this game more like your fly-by-night, run-of-the-mill MMO than a Final Fantasy Game.

My concern is that what might seem extremely cool for your character, will become very silly once you see everyone doing it. This is the thinking behind the primal summoning process that Yoshi-P proposed, and I wish that it also would apply to the mounts as well.

Chocobos and Magitek are fine, and fit the lore.

I would rather they use those animations for a Beastmaster. It makes far more sense to have a Job who specializes in taming those creatures and using them for mounts.

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Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah

I'm glad we got a new thread for your thoughts.
Otherwise we might have missed them if they were piled up with any of those mere peasant's thoughts in the existing threads.

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This from one of the biggest trolls on the forums..

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Large volumes of players who ride around on Drakes, etc. ... will make this game more like your fly-by-night, run-of-the-mill MMO than a Final Fantasy Game.

My concern is that what might seem extremely cool for your character, will become very silly once you see everyone doing it.

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If he were saying, "We're adding monster mounts! Just do this quest!" I'd agree, but I think your concerns are unfounded. Most of the people who tried XIV already are gone; a lot who are playing now won't be paying for it (and remember, the forum polls only apply to people who like the game enough to hang out on its FORUM to begin with, skewing the results upwards), and then we have all of the people who were waiting for PS3 and/or don't have a computer capable of running it.

In the long-term, these mounts will be rare; and because FINAL FANTASY = CHOCOBO (or maybe magitek), I don't think it will look silly, I think it will say, "Wow, what the hell did THAT guy do to be able to tame THAT? ... Oh, survived the apocalypse? Well now!"

In 2015~2018 that'll mean something totally different than for that time in 2013 when it was commonplace. Again, when was the last time you saw a pair of Red Eyes or a Rabbit Belt or a Harpsichord? I don't think most players have ever even SEEN some of that, especially the Harpsichord mog house decoration.

You might be right if the mounts have limitations when compared to chocobos (slower, limited calls, etc..)

Still, those animations have AMAZING potential for a Beastmaster job... and since this is still in a concept stage, I'd rather they were used on player-tamed creatures.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Dragoon pet (Wyvern): Please No... This was an awkward addition to the Dragoon job that only existed in FFXI. The jump attack is the Dragoon's signature attack and should be the focus of the job's design. Rather than FFXI, they should take inspiration from FFIX's Freya Crescent when they design the Dragoon Job.

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...I take it you haven't played FF2 or know any of FF4's Dragoon lore?

Wait we're getting wyvverns? yes!

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Ok, I liked nearly everything I saw in the first live interview, but this one was a bit of a mixed bag -- depending of course on how the ideas are implemented.

Monster Mounts: (Drake, Goobbue, Ahriman) - PLEASE let this be either just quest related or something related to a taming ability for a Beastmaster class/job. The last thing I want to see in the game is 40+ players riding Goobbues around everywhere I go.

Jump: way too extreme, but it's a demo so..

Dragoon pet (Wyvern): Please No... This was an awkward addition to the Dragoon job that only existed in FFXI. The jump attack is the Dragoon's signature attack and should be the focus of the job's design. Rather than FFXI, they should take inspiration from FFIX's Freya Crescent when they design the Dragoon Job.

Magitek Mount: Absolutely fantastic! The design is 100% straight out of FFVI! I'd reserve them for specific (cold-weather ;) ) regions though. I don't think a player should be able to 'whistle' for them either.. maybe rent them at a station?

Houses: Nice to see them in development. Multi-level might be nice...

Moogle Cutscene: Who doesn't love the Moogles? Look forward to the quests.

CON = WHM, THM = BLM: Can't say I agree with this, but my opinions are based on the current class abilities and lore. That said, I think we are all happy to have a concrete answer to this nagging question.

Removal of Guild Marks: Seems to indicate a bigger overhaul of class abilities than first was first suggested...Those abilities that convert one stat to another (mind over matter, etc) will definitely be missed. :(

Level cap increased at 1.21 (?): The translation was a bit ambiguous.. Personally, I'd prefer that the cap was left at 50 until 2.0, but I won't complain if it is raised.

New weapons, armor: One concern I have is that although the stuff looks very cool, I wonder if the dev team isn't making the game too flashy, too fast. MMO games need a slow build in power and design so that there is room to grow without the game becoming completely ridiculous and over the top in the later years.

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I agree ENTIRELY.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Ok, I liked nearly everything I saw in the first live interview, but this one was a bit of a mixed bag -- depending of course on how the ideas are implemented.

Monster Mounts: (Drake, Goobbue, Ahriman) - PLEASE let this be either just quest related or something related to a taming ability for a Beastmaster class/job. The last thing I want to see in the game is 40+ players riding Goobbues around everywhere I go.

Jump: way too extreme, but it's a demo so..

Dragoon pet (Wyvern): Please No... This was an awkward addition to the Dragoon job that only existed in FFXI. The jump attack is the Dragoon's signature attack and should be the focus of the job's design. Rather than FFXI, they should take inspiration from FFIX's Freya Crescent when they design the Dragoon Job.

Magitek Mount: Absolutely fantastic! The design is 100% straight out of FFVI! I'd reserve them for specific (cold-weather ;) ) regions though. I don't think a player should be able to 'whistle' for them either.. maybe rent them at a station?

Houses: Nice to see them in development. Multi-level might be nice...

Moogle Cutscene: Who doesn't love the Moogles? Look forward to the quests.

CON = WHM, THM = BLM: Can't say I agree with this, but my opinions are based on the current class abilities and lore. That said, I think we are all happy to have a concrete answer to this nagging question.

Removal of Guild Marks: Seems to indicate a bigger overhaul of class abilities than first was first suggested...Those abilities that convert one stat to another (mind over matter, etc) will definitely be missed. :(

Level cap increased at 1.21 (?): The translation was a bit ambiguous.. Personally, I'd prefer that the cap was left at 50 until 2.0, but I won't complain if it is raised.

New weapons, armor: One concern I have is that although the stuff looks very cool, I wonder if the dev team isn't making the game too flashy, too fast. MMO games need a slow build in power and design so that there is room to grow without the game becoming completely ridiculous and over the top in the later years.

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I agree, although i found the interview to be a massive letdown. There was tons of really good questions that didn't get addressed. Overall I felt a little insulted, as if Yoshida asking us to look the other way to pay attention to the shiny butterfly to keep us off their back for a while.

Most of these things where concepts being tossed up in the air, there should have been shed some more light on class adjustments, more job related info (jobs themselves, quests and gear) and more plans for making crafting and gathering more enjoyable, and maybe also more unique.

Instead we got some illustrations of ideas being tossed around and answers that have been previously answered in interviews.

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Originally Posted by Reliquia

I agree, although i found the interview to be a massive letdown. There was tons of really good questions that didn't get addressed. Overall I felt a little insulted, as if Yoshida asking us to look the other way to pay attention to the shiny butterfly to keep us off their back for a while.

Most of these things where concepts being tossed up in the air, there should have been shed some more light on class adjustments, more job related info (jobs themselves, quests and gear) and more plans for making crafting and gathering more enjoyable, and maybe also more unique.

Instead we got some illustrations of ideas being tossed around and answers that have been previously answered in interviews.

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Same, it seemed like that to me too. There were lots of good questions in the thread. None of them got answered.