DoL/DoH materia from airships...

Back before V's were added to airship ventures my FC used to be able to fairly distribute DoL/DoH IV's to FC members since we were getting a healthy supply of them, but recently they've become scarcer than a hen's teeth.

I realise that IV's have been added as a reward for Ixali, but our stockpile of IV's from airships has all but dried up due to the insane number of them needed to meld the new ironworks gear.

Please SE, revert the number of IV's back to what we used to get before you nerfed it while adding V's. It would really help encourage people to get into higher tier crafting if I was able to shout them some free IV's from airships. Instead, many people I know are simply scared off at the thought of it (and yes there are red scrips but without DoL classes to gather the mats, many people find that route also ends up being quite expensive)

I don't get the general message of this ?

We got additionnal way to get materia IV and V
Where is the nerf ?

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

I don't get the general message of this ?

We got additionnal way to get materia IV and V
Where is the nerf ?

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We used to get 15+ materia IV per airship voyage, meaning 4 Airships could haul 60+ materias IV... Now we get 1-3 if we get anything at all.
Do the math now.

Well RNGesus then because i still get 10+ materia from airship voyage
But the only thing now is the additionnal mats that lower the odds of getting them

Which is fine... same as retainer more comp, less % not game breaking since there is more way to get materia

I don't see a nerf, just an evolution

Yes, I don't mind. You can also exchange Red scrip tokens for materia IV.

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

But the only thing now is the additionnal mats that lower the odds of getting them

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I don't see a nerf, just an evolution

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Airship Materia has been nerfed. That is the point of this topic. Yes we get more ways of obtaining IV and V materia now, but at the expense of Airships effectiveness. Devalueing all of the hard work FC's have put into optimizing and customizing their ships/builds.

What was the reason for making Airships less viable for farming materia. This is the topic of discussion.

It wasn't the main purpose of the new comp

It's like if we say that the Zu token and music roll nerf ship because they become available
No

It's not a nerf as it is...
Just the game giving more

I could also add that the airship system wasn't made to farm materia only but to also get specific and exclusive mats
That are "nerfed" because ship give materia
The problem can be reversed

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

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Answer this: Why did SE add Silver Ore (a material from 2.0 that can be obtained with a lvl 21 Miner or retainer ventures) to the DOH/DOL Materia sectors?

Well to add an other way to get some

Just like they add more thing for the retainer to get in 1h random mission
Which mean less materia V or EX comp for him

I don't want to call it à nerf unless it's clearly "lower drop rate" without adding new comp or "lower number yield" in patchnote

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You want more ? Burn more potato to the RNGesus altar

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

Well to add an other way to get some

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I can now say with utmost confidence, that you have no idea what your talking about. Thank you.

The nerf happened in 3.2, if you want to get a "healthy" amount of DoH materia you have to sacrifice speed and range for surveillance and retrieval. I personally had to invest a few millions on replacing three airships with Viltgance Forecastle, Odyssey Aftcastle, Invincible Hull and Bronco Rigging, after I did this change I started getting a decent number of DoH IVs again, of course you're still subject to RNG so there are times you won't get much or anything at all, but most of the time the yield is what it used to be with an "average" airship.

Before the change all I used to get was branches, maybe 3-4 materia, after the change this sighting became more common:

http://i.imgur.com/4UneEoS.png
http://i.imgur.com/wX8x3iy.png
http://i.imgur.com/8g7hgdD.png
http://i.imgur.com/Xxj2iIe.png

The downside to this setup is that it takes over 3 days per voyage, and as I mentioned you're still subject to RNG, which sometimes will give little

http://i.imgur.com/UTjAjIN.png

Or nothing at all

http://i.imgur.com/h7za0id.png

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Originally Posted by alimdia

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I appreciate your positive outlook on the current state of airships, however this build isn't new. Many players like myself have been using this build since 3.2 (on all my ships). I can confirm after 3.3 and much testing (guareteed my sample size is larger than yours) this very same build became useless overnight. Going from getting upwards of 40+ materia per voyage (Sectors 13 -> 17) to never seeing more than 10-15 materia unless an S or SS rating was present. Now this Vilt/Odyssey build is bringing back on average the same yields as a low end Bronco/Invicible build. Essentially rendering part customization pointless when so many layers of RNG are now present. A maxed out airship with the newest most cutting edge parts should have a noticable advantage over a low level airship but sadly thats no longer the case.

Airship builds/customization are a big problem now but they aren't the real issue. SE made back end adjustments to not only the loot tables but also the materia yields, extraction levels and weather conditions. Its still possible to obtain materia, however your haul is now more dependent on voyage ratings (S or SS RNG) than the actual parts your using.
TLDR: The stars need to align with your best in slot build in order to get the most out of it.

No Wind / Low Turbulence (considered to be the best weather condition) coupled with a top tier Forecastle (surveillance) used guarentee 2 surveillance levels as well as Optimal extraction/retrieval levels in 3.2. This is no longer the case. No Wind can now result in Low/Poor extraction levels and no longer guarentees a second chance at items.

Weather RNG, Loot Table RNG, Extraction level RNG, Less Yield. The 3.3 Airship meta.

The point was that with the number of IVs I was getting with airships, I could more easily help new players getting into level 60 crafting by helping them meld some gear so that they can do their red scrips a little easier. Yes there are other options now but some people dont get a lot of time to play but still want to enjoy some higher level crafting so airships allowed me to better help them out...

I mean, isnt that the point of FCs? to be ABLE to assist members?

IVs in crafting are basically the norm now (as were IIIs back at 50) and on my server they are stupidly expensive. I had assumed one of the reasons they added IVs to airships in the first place was to boost their supply and lower costs (thus improving accessibility to higher end crafting for newer/less experienced crafters).

I'm not asking for an increase to Vs from airships (they should be kept rare), only for IVs to help people catch up

EDIT: I too have seen a dramatic drop in airship effectiveness (hence why I made this post)

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

It's like if we say that the Zu token and music roll nerf ship because they become available

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Err.. this doesnt even make sense? How does adding a rare item nerf ships? If anything it is a boon... adding silver ore and useless branches just to muddy the waters of the loot tables just to make it even less likely to get materia was not a great move, with all due respect

Adding new items to sectors, regardless of rarity, serves to dilute the pool. Zu mount, silver ore, it's all the same : another missed opportunity for some T4 Materia.

The zu mount is only found in sector 24 though. Crafting materia comes from sectors 3, 7, 13 and 17 (tier IV only from the latter two). Changes to the loot table of other sectors will have no effect on crafting materia yields.

At this point, Its likely that silver ore in sectors 13/17 is an error in item naming on the devs part. This is the only explanation for such a low lvl gathering item to be included in these high level airship sectors.

Devs please correct the following item naming error:

Sector 13 and 17: Silver Ore -> Hardsilver Ore.

While still a disspointing nerf to the loot tables, I think we can all agree that this was the originally intended material for these sectors.