why people always refuse to full clear dungeons ...

actually im trying to level up a bard and a healer but everytimes i ask for a full clear and coffer my tanks refuse to do it ... i want coffer because i have no healers items and also at the stone vigil each monsters give like 3000 exp and when it take 25 min to enter a dungeon i wanna get the most exp possible :(

also in the last 2 dungeons ive done i was with a friends that also wanted to do coffers and full clear but our tanks refused again so we decided to still take the coffers that give items and both times we got kicked from the duty after getting bullied by our allies !!!

sry if my english is bad i speak french ...

Well, I wouldn't agree with "always", but yes "mostly" :)

I tank 50% of the time on my 60, and if I am in a group and dungeon where it looks like the majority is there for XP, I don't mind full clears. But most folks just want to get it over with.

I guess if you really want a lot of full clears (and not just occasionally), try to find a reliable tank friend to always go with you.

On the subject of coffers, you can also let them pass it up and wait for everyone to leave the Duty at the end, then claim all the rewards for yourself xD

Might have to die with the coffers that have mobs guarding them, but popping them and trying to outrun them can be fun in itself :p

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Originally Posted by Esp

On the subject of coffers, you can also let them pass it up and wait for everyone to leave the Duty at the end, then claim all the rewards for yourself xD

Might have to die with the coffers that have mobs guarding them, but popping them and trying to outrun them can be fun in itself :p

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I've done that several times as well, fun times :)

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Originally Posted by qcslayer

i want coffer because i have no healers items and also at the stone vigil each monsters give like 3000 exp and when it take 25 min to enter a dungeon i wanna get the most exp possible :(
sry if my english is bad i speak french ...

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That's the problem. I want, I want, I want and hey I want... If you want something so bad, unsync the dungeon and go on a chest run, or go as a tank and you can invite your friend and have a party of entitlement.
We do have a french forum no?

when entering leveling roulette as a 50+ and get a dungeon below level 50, the bonus exp from full clears often isnt much of a scratch or dent in the exp needed, the bonus then comes from just finishing the final boss.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

That's the problem. I want, I want, I want and hey I want... If you want something so bad, unsync the dungeon and go on a chest run, or go as a tank and you can invite your friend and have a party of entitlement.
We do have a french forum no?

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Well talking like that is one way to push people away from the game.

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Originally Posted by qcslayer

we decided to still take the coffers that give items

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I'm assuming you pulled mobs to get to the coffers, which isn't alright and imo they have every right to kick you. If I was on my 60 tank doing leveling roulette I would want to get the dungeon done as soon as possible, meaning no full clear. If I was on a tank leveling up using leveling roulette I still wouldn't want to full clear, because the bonus I would get at the end of the dungeon would be far more than those extra mobs could provide. This will probably never change, since it would be really hard to give incentive for 60 tanks to full clear. If you're having trouble getting some current gear for your level check the Market Board. If the stuff on the Market Board is too expensive you could probably find someone to make you some for cheaper. Even without the gear that you want you can keep leveling, it's not required or impeding your progress.

When I tank I go the most efficient route possible, I don't full clear unless someone asks and only if the rest of the party agrees. I don't personally care one way or the other if we full clear or not, but if the other two say no and only one person says yes, then I go by the majority.

just get your stuff after, you can grab all the chest if you wish.
why players don't full clear ? just because it don't worth it, and only want to get fast exp.

I did leveling roulette with a full party (FC mates) last week and got Stone Vigil. We downed it in 20 min and went on to knock out other roulettes.

I got Stone Vigil yesterday morning for mentor roulette. I was on SCH. I was going absolute max, roused fairy, adlo on tank, full dps, stoneskin between pulls. And the dps was incredibly bad. And the tank pulled everything. It was just painfully slow. Finally after 45 minutes I embraced the exit and left.

With a good party, a full clear is fine. But with a DF party, when everything is taking forever to die, no thank you.

Id rather be out 5-10 mins faster and waiting for the next dungeon queue.

It seems to be that not everyone wants to do a full clear because most of the time these people are there for their roulette and want to get out quickly. The reasons why they do vary though, some want to do it before work / classes. Some just want to grab stuff and get out but have all day to do it. There are others who have family..I've gone to see a few friends early weekends and then mid-play through they hear their baby waking up crying and throw me the controller. The power of a toddler!

I think you do deserve to have a full clear, but there's no real incentive to do it most of the time outside of the experience. That's my personal opinion. There's nothing that spawns or no extra chest for items if you clear the whole thing. These earlier dungeons have off routes or extra places to explore but no one does because there's nothing that comes of it. People, to some extent, will take the easiest way out of most things. This I think relates more to how gear is applied to the game, there's nothing special about it that makes you want to go back and farm it..but that's an entirely different conversation and debate that I will never win.

You could make some sort of bonus like lore, a chest with materia equal to the iLV of that dungeon..then you make it something that full-clear gets the majority and is expected..that causes a fuss for those who don't. It's a balance that no one will win at, there will always be a group (big or small) that will be against it. I don't think there's a solution other than asking for a clear and seeing what comes up. Some say no, some say sure.

Several roulettes give the most tomestones if you run them as a lv.60, meaning there is no need for the exp or gear.

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Originally Posted by Esp

On the subject of coffers, you can also let them pass it up and wait for everyone to leave the Duty at the end, then claim all the rewards for yourself xD

Might have to die with the coffers that have mobs guarding them, but popping them and trying to outrun them can be fun in itself :p

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You mean, run in and then drag an extra mob or 2 back to me (the tank). Yes... we love that... :P

As for the OP, you will definitely run into situations where they don't want full clear, but always ask. You "should" run into plenty that will run a full clear for you as well. The only times I refuse is if I actually am on a time schedule and don't think I'll be able to cut a full clear in time. Some dungeons differ greatly in the amount of a time a full clear takes compared to a quick run. Unfortunately, many are just... well lazy. But I have on many occasions asked and only once have I been denied. And that one time, I may or may not of "accidentally" pulled some side mobs ;D (but also, the tank didn't pick them up off me, but i survived :P)

Hope you find better tanks!

if you want to grind dungeons for exp, and go for full clears, make a party to do so and queue as 4/4. If its the DF, i'm likely paired with you for a roulette, and i want to get in and out ASAP for the bonus exp at end (and tomes if on my 60) as that is the only reason I will be there.

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Originally Posted by Malicewolf

You mean, run in and then drag an extra mob or 2 back to me (the tank). Yes... we love that... :P

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She was referring to scavenging the dungeon after it's been cleared, and everyone else has left. Often times a skipped chest is guarded by enemies, so you'll end up dead after popping it.

On the subject of a non-tank pulling extra mobs on their own, I had a situation like that in leveling roulette last week. Tanking a Stone Vigil, the MCH had been afk for at least a minute while the other 3 of us passed the mobs guarding first chest. While we're fighting the next pack, he calls out "pulled" and drags those 3 mobs to us. After all six of the mobs were dead, I left the duty. I'm not doing a 40 minute full clear for someone who AFKs without saying anything or pulls on their own, let alone both.

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Originally Posted by KogaDrake

if you want to grind dungeons for exp, and go for full clears, make a party to do so and queue as 4/4. If its the DF, i'm likely paired with you for a roulette, and i want to get in and out ASAP for the bonus exp at end (and tomes if on my 60) as that is the only reason I will be there.

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I never understood why people don't do this as dungeon grinding can have better exp per hour than fates + gear rewards.