Useless mch cross class debate

Rules are you cannot talk avout b4b hawk or raging strikes or any other cross class. In your opinion which is the better out of 2 which is keen flurry or quelling strikes on a situation. Please debate below.

Is this even debatable? Only time you would ever use keen flurry on Mch is for soloing. Quelling strikes would be more beneficial for any other scenario.

Quelling strikes. The enmity reduction means less holding back with your burst.

Odd question. MCH burst is nice, but not enough to rip hate from tanks, so Quelling is out. Not even sure why you would take Keen either...

In my opinion, neither are good...

I think the competition for 5-th slot goes between quelling strikes vs feint. This is in case if we use 4-th slot for invigorate. With current tp costs an idea to remove invigorate and take quelling strikes and feint may sound more realistic, but it's still too risky for me. (in a raid context. In dungeons invigorate is must have for aoe-s).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by vp_cmc

I think the competition for 5-th slot goes between quelling strikes vs feint. This is in case if we use 4-th slot for invigorate. With current tp costs an idea to remove invigorate and take quelling strikes and feint may sound more realistic, but it's still too risky for me. (in a raid context. In dungeons invigorate is must have for aoe-s).

---

Please note rules are said no fient your out of the debate

If you are up against an enemy that does a lot of magic damage (pretty rare in this game) then definitely take keen flurry because it will parry like 90% of the magic damage, like a super apoc. But in general, it's helpful not to have quelling strikes because if you use it, then the DRG is next in line for aggro when the tank dies. Better you than that poor floor DRG since you can kite. Vortexer cannot hit you while you are kiting, just attack with GB off and you'll be fine.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Komoritane

If you are up against an enemy that does a lot of magic damage (pretty rare in this game) then definitely take keen flurry because it will parry like 90% of the magic damage, like a super apoc. But in general, it's helpful not to have quelling strikes because if you use it, then the DRG is next in line for aggro when the tank dies. Better you than that poor floor DRG since you can kite. Vortexer cannot hit you while you are kiting, just attack with GB off and you'll be fine.

---

you cant parry magic

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

Please note rules are said no fient your out of the debate

---

Just take Quelling if you only have eyes for Quelling or Keen Flurry. In most content especially in groups how often will Flurry be used? Probably never.

Quelling only serves to ensure you don't rip hate off the Tank but on the same token if the Tank is on his A game you won't need Quelling either. And only maybe seems relevant on BLM.

Not much to debate here. One skill is to give 20% damage reduction against physical attacks and as a ranged class you shouldn't be doing this often unless it's touchdown attacks from say Nidhogg. And as I stated before Quelling is just a safety cushion if your Tank just sucks at Enmity control or their gear is just not on par.

Don't know why you wouldn't want Feint but I guess out of the two, then definitely Quelling Strikes.

Like it was said before this is hardly a debate, when would you use Keen Flurry as a MCH? Never. I had it as my 5th slot for a while as BRD before 3.0 and.... I never used it. You'll never use it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaze3434

you cant parry magic

---

You can parry magic damage as successfully as you can kite vortexer in A6S without getting hit

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by AskaRay

I had it as my 5th slot for a while as BRD before 3.0 and.... I never used it. You'll never use it.

---

DUDE...imgudir charges or however you spell that? T10? saved my BRD behind a couple of times

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Komoritane

DUDE...imgudir charges or however you spell that? T10? saved my BRD behind a couple of times

---

That's like saying Shadowbind isn't useless because you can use it in T7... one battle, wow.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jukebox12

Please note rules are said no fient your out of the debate

---

If the spot for the 5th crossclass belongs to a different skill than the 2 you've listed it's completely fine to say that. You can't just go making up arbitrary rules like that.

Also seconding feint as a sure 5th: raging strikes, b4b, invigorate, hawk's eye, feint. With 6th place being quelling and a distant last being keen flurry. If you *need* quelling because you have a bad tank that's a different story, but doesn't make it a better skill.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Komoritane

DUDE...imgudir charges or however you spell that? T10? saved my BRD behind a couple of times

---

thats magic dmg cant parry

Well, I've used Keen Flurry a few times in the past on BRD... but its very situational.

It was most useful to help reduce incoming damage from Earthshakers on T13, and it also worked on the missiles in A1 Savage. It could probably be OK for PVP too!

But, Quelling Strikes is good to have in most encounters, so that wins overall.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Komoritane

You can parry magic damage as successfully as you can kite vortexer in A6S without getting hit

---

__________

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by alimdia

thats magic dmg cant parry

---

Some magic attacks can be parried even though it does not make sense. The game has exceptions for certain attacks. In T5, Twintania's fireball attack can be parried even though it is considered a magic attack. T12, Phoenix's Revelation is a magic attack and it can be parried too if I recall correctly.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Komoritane

Shadowbind is OP, puts that cool bind thing on stuff. Definitely should spam it for sure dude

---

You do know that as soon as you hit a bound target it becomes unbound right?
Maybe if there was damage with Shadowbind...but....there isn't....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by lulunami

Some magic attacks can be parried even though it does not make sense. The game has exceptions for certain attacks. In T5, Twintania's fireball attack can be parried even though it is considered a magic attack. T12, Phoenix's Revelation is a magic attack and it can be parried too if I recall correctly.

---

It's a mix of physical and magic damage most likely.

I can't really trust random DF tanks to hold against a 2,000 dps MCH opener, so I'll keep Quelling, tyvm.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by lulunami

Some magic attacks can be parried even though it does not make sense. The game has exceptions for certain attacks. In T5, Twintania's fireball attack can be parried even though it is considered a magic attack. T12, Phoenix's Revelation is a magic attack and it can be parried too if I recall correctly.

---

Revelation is 100% physical damage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Komoritane

If you are up against an enemy that does a lot of magic damage (pretty rare in this game) then definitely take keen flurry because it will parry like 90% of the magic damage, like a super apoc. But in general, it's helpful not to have quelling strikes because if you use it, then the DRG is next in line for aggro when the tank dies. Better you than that poor floor DRG since you can kite. Vortexer cannot hit you while you are kiting, just attack with GB off and you'll be fine.

---

For one, even though it has been said, you can't parry magic damage. And you also don't get the trait "Keener Flurry" so you only get 40% parry increase. And after reading more of your replies, I'm fairly certain you're just trolling.