To Square/Yoshida

Didnt know where else to post this and frankly I dont care if i get flamed, forum banned, etc over it.

I came to Eorzea to enjoy my time and life here. To be free to be the little Au Ra i currently am. I can't do that anymore. I am scared of the game and the community enough that I avoid it because twelve forbid I might be reported and banned for trivial opinion based bullshit. If SE caters yet again to the vocal whiners, i am done with SE as a whole. XIV was great at first but ever since Coil 2 and the savage releases its been slipping into this... toxic pool that just keeps getting worse.

For the sake of Eorzea and MMO standards as a whole, SquareEnix and Yoshida, please for the love of Halone, stop bowing down to those who scream the loudest. It's those of us that stay quiet and try to enjoy what we are given that really appreciate your work and enjoy the story. I am begging you, make XIV the way you envisioned it, not the way everyone "wants" it.

Then more people need to speak up then. You can't speak for "those that do not speak" if they don't speak up to begin with or if they even share the same views as you.

XIV is a sub based MMO. Pretty sure it's wise of them to get community feedback to retain those subs.

Tell them to bring back player polls then.

Issue is is that when we DO try to give feedback we get reported and forum banned 9/10 times. It's happened to several of my friends hence why we are "quiet". We are silenced by those that prefer to abuse the system so that we can't be heard so they can keep going on about getting their way. that is also why I have been quiet until now because I have nothing to lose anymore, if a bunch of jerks wanna report me because I may damage their current style of gameplay and end up getting me forum banned then i really don't care so why not try to make my stance and if I fall then at least I didn't lose anything because of it.

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Originally Posted by PrincessFrey

Issue is is that when we DO try to give feedback we get reported and forum banned 9/10 times. It's happened to several of my friends hence why we are "quiet". We are silenced by those that prefer to abuse the system so that we can't be heard so they can keep going on about getting their way. that is also why I have been quiet until now because I have nothing to lose anymore, if a bunch of jerks wanna report me because I may damage their current style of gameplay and end up getting me forum banned then i really don't care so why not try to make my stance and if I fall then at least I didn't lose anything because of it.

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Then give feedback privately, not in open forum.

They honestly dont read the ingame feedback stuff. They listen to the forums and fanfest and the live chat feeds during live letter Q/As.

If you get forum banned then perhaps you should watch how you say what you say.

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Originally Posted by PrincessFrey

Issue is is that when we DO try to give feedback we get reported and forum banned 9/10 times...

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They would not forum ban you just for giving feedback...you would only get forum banned based on how you gave it like how rude and insulting you may have been. If you are not rude or insulting then no matter how many people file a report you would not get banned especially not 9/10 times. To get banned 9/10 times you would have to have been extremely rude, abusive and insulting towards others in which case maybe stop doing that and voice your feedback in a mature and respectful way.

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Originally Posted by PrincessFrey

They listen to the forums and fanfest and the live chat feeds during live letter Q/As.

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They rarely, if ever, do that either tbf. A common complaint is that Yoshi-P and co. will only change something if a massive amount of people agree with it, you can see that in how quickly WAR got fixed vs how quickly PLD got fixed. Even if it is highly requested they can still ignore it or make an excuse not to implement it. If you want XIV to stay how it is now, you'll probably (largely) get your wish, so I wouldn't worry too much.

I only started my thread for a normal conversation on how the game needs some spice added to it and needs to deviate from the current formula. I haven't been banned for speaking up. It's the first time in a long time I've decided to (see my # of posts). If you want to be heard speak politely and appropriately while voicing your opinions. Good luck on stating what you want for the future of the game.

Well i cant speak for my friends since i dont know the wording they used specifically (been too long) i just know that people tend to abuse report features/kick features/etc when they feel their way of life is threatened by someone and it quite honestly scares me that the community can get like this. Granted that so far none of you have made me feel this way really yet but i know it isnt uncommon. But its all besides the point of my post. I just want SE to stop doing what everyone screams about. Yoshida didnt want the game to turn out this way, he has even said if he had the manpower this game would be better. But all he gets is the feedback from people that scream everytime something ruins their day and has to stop what hes working on and move everyone over to appease. Really this game needs a polling system like BnS had where it would ask you after so long. or maybe if they actually looked at their ingame feedback function and the feedback from it but I feel like it is widely ignored

If you want to discuss things without your "fears", I would suggest a 3rd party forum such as Reddit. SE does monitor those forums as you will see SE_Kahuna chime in from time to time.

Honestly TC, I don't even know what you are asking for, you are being too ambiguous. I've seen SE doing things players asked that was a bit silly and spoiled (imho), but then I've seen also good things. I strongly feel your frustration comes from a very specific situation (forum ban?) yet your request is too general and ambiguous. Let's suppose you are Yoshida now, what would you do? "This guy is right, let's stop reading our players' feedback, we might as well delete the forum altogether".
What is it that you want exactly?

But my original message is something i DO want SE to see. If i am really offending someone by making a post to get SE to stop listening to every group that cries when something is changed against their favor then I have only made my point that it is an issue that needs to be attended to. I am not hurting anyones feelings here except perhaps those that do want their way. All i wish for is to see the story and the greatness this game is stay in one piece. None of this make it easier make it harder do this or do that for me stuff. I want to enjoy it freely without SE having to change things because everyone isnt playing how everyone else demands them to. Look at what happened to tanks. The STR vs VIT battle was so bad they had to rebalance everything to get the hate to stop (and it STILL exists here or there, i was a vit tank during all of it)

If SE are planning on doing something you hate the sound of or if you want something which passionately believe in then there is nothing wrong in letting SE know. If you do not speak up then you will never get what you want because SE cannot read your mind and even if do speak up it does not mean SE will do what you want. As long as you remain polite and reasonable, adequately respectful. Conflicting opinions will always raise tensions but trying not to step over the line then your feedback would not cause a ban.

Tell them what you want and tell them what you do not...be prepared in the knowledge not everyone will agree and put your points across as well as you can while not stepping over the line into being rude, abusive or insulting people too much. I think SE are more inclined to listen to someone who puts their point across in a more mature and well explained way than someone just screaming and shouting at others though in the end SE will always do what SE wants to do. But you should tell them what you want even if others disagree and even if SE decides they do not agree with you too.

SE should listen to what people say, it doesn't mean they will do what they are saying however and frankly it is impossible to do what everyone wants. What exactly is it you don't want SE to listen to? What things are people saying which you think should be silenced or ignored? There must be something which prompted this thread for example which threads or topics were you taking part in which got so heated you or your friends got supposedly banned because of? What things do you want SE to do and what things do you think SE should not? Should SE ignore this thread and your request along with ignoring other peoples suggestions...is this not a thread asking SE to do something you want like all the others which do the same?

Quite honestly my issue is the bowing down everytime someone screams that things are too hard things and now they are too easy. The we want a free ride (potions) the we want to be the elite of the elite (gating off of items behind savage ONLY, never releasing anything equivalent or upgrade items in anything below EVER). The people whom demand things be rebalanced so their specific play style is the ONLY player accepted play style (Again referencing the STR/VIT tank battles). People demanding PS3 support be dropped (not that it would ever change anything, kicking it off wont make the game prettier).

My request is not so much to ignore everyone else, its more a requets to listen to EVERYONE not JUST those that scream the loudest (i was told by a dev once that if you want to be heard you have to have a massive following which isnt fair considering some things wont be supported if the trolls dont like it)

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Originally Posted by PrincessFrey

Quite honestly my issue is the bowing down everytime someone screams that things are too hard things and now they are too easy. The we want a free ride (potions) the we want to be the elite of the elite (gating off of items behind savage ONLY, never releasing anything equivalent or upgrade items in anything below EVER). The people whom demand things be rebalanced so their specific play style is the ONLY player accepted play style (Again referencing the STR/VIT tank battles). People demanding PS3 support be dropped (not that it would ever change anything, kicking it off wont make the game prettier).

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I think you're mistaking what you want with what the dev team wants. They've already made their decision on pretty much all those things you listed regardless of player feedback.

Could you be more specific about what you upset about? As for the community SE can't change that people going to be the way they want to be.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

They would not forum ban you just for giving feedback...you would only get forum banned based on how you gave it like how rude and insulting you may have been. If you are not rude or insulting then no matter how many people file a report you would not get banned especially not 9/10 times. To get banned 9/10 times you would have to have been extremely rude, abusive and insulting towards others in which case maybe stop doing that and voice your feedback in a mature and respectful way.

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Yeah, basically. All the bile I've seen thrown about as "feedback" in these forums, almost nobody seems to get banned or even have their posts deleted... Really seems like you're trumping up some charges to make a point here, PrincessFrey.

No to the leveling potions.

Some things I will always be passionate and vocal about in these forums like being against anything that promotes and leads to increased RMT, making sure actions are taken against botters, arguing against anything like P2W style services (for example the leveling potion issue), housing issues on multiple fronts and people being rude or abusive to new players especially in dungeons, trials and raids will always get on my bad side. I will never subside voicing my opinions on those issues as long as they remain issues plaguing this game.

Crafting specializations is another thing I was very vocal about in the past, I was and still am in favor of specializations as a concept including them having unique specialist recipes (limited to specialists for x amount of time) plus I still think they should never be able to craft the highest tier raid gear meaning crafted DoW/DoM gear in my opinion should be high enough to get someone on the raid ladder but not high enough to bypass most of it. Some other things I will tend to take note of and argue about is such things as imposing hardcore values on low/midcore content like for example if SE ever tried to make savage modes part of the main story quest line or if someone is being an elitist jerk in general.

I also hate when people use fallacies to add fictional weight to their arguments so I always call them on it too. Overall I see nothing wrong with SE listening to everyone's opinions, I hope they agree with me on them obviously (who wouldn't want SE agreeing with them?) but I understand they might not always see eye to eye with me so all I can do is put forth my feedback, suggestions and complaints as best I can just like everyone else should. In the end however SE will always do what SE wants regardless of who screams the loudest. The best you can hope for is convincing them of your stance through reasonable and logical arguments put to them in as respectful and polite as possible way.

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Originally Posted by PrincessFrey

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I don't know exactly what it is you are complaining about but consider 2 things:

1. People paying to play this game pay for it's development and our "screaming" is how we tell them what we like and what we don't. Sometimes it means something isn;t good or fun like the Diadem, and sometimes it means we like something just the way it is which just happened during the last live letter when Yoshi P said that many people were enjoying the difficulty of the Weeping City.

2. Your advice to "make XIV the way you envisioned it, not the way everyone 'wants' it" is the kind of single minded thinking is what caused 1.0 to be the massive flop that it was. Listening to the consumer base and focusing on their gaming experience is what has lead us to the XIV we have now and the only reason this game still exists. (Side note, this kind of thinking is what is killing the FF franchise overall.)

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

Then give feedback privately, not in open forum.

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Where can you do that? Not like they advertise Yoshis email or anything.

Not to mention this is the way the Devs want us to give feedback. Of course they would be happier if we used the Like button more instead of having people start new threads all the time, but I digress.