Lately I end up running with more and more Astro's as an Astro and nothing is more depressing than them doing an expanded spire / spear / bole etc straight after i have done expanded balance. If you are running with another Astro have some awareness what buffs are on the party! especially at the start of a pull keep an eye on their royal road and spread card!
Double Astros - Watch your buffs!
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06-10-2016, 07:06 PMZaj_QuilosDouble Astros - Watch your buffs!
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06-10-2016, 10:24 PMNekotee
And card overwriting is like one of the first things you experience as a beginner AST...
So it's weird to see some AST still breaking your card...
But overwriting a spread balance by a spread arrow when there is 3sec ledt is ok XD -
06-10-2016, 10:57 PMZaj_Quilosoh yeah for sure :p that's what i mean pay attention and make a judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekotee
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06-11-2016, 01:04 AMMiyha
Thanks for being nice about it.
Really. When I was a baby AST (like first or second day playing it), some asshat was being... an asshat to me because I didn't know cards could be overwritten and Diurnal regens didn't stack. "It's ok, since other AST doesn't seem to realize you can't have two in the same sect." "Great, AND you just overwrote my AoE Arrow with AoE Spear!"
Mind you this was in the Praetorium. And I had literally just hit level 50.
If it was Alex NM or something, then the irritation might be understandable. .___. But yeah. Would love to meet that AST again because now I probably blow his ass out of the water at his own job. <3 (Not to toot my own horn...)
Anywho. Point is I'm glad some people are nice about this at least. -
06-11-2016, 05:38 AMtechnole
Overwriting is the least of the worries in my experience.
A baby AST to me is the one when they enter the instance and spread their Ewer card. You know where this is going.
That card sits spread for 75% of the instance. Any card drawn from this point and used is bare, and while you as the Black Mage cry inside for some arrow action to pump some more spell speed blood in your soul to unleash the burn on the boss, they just stand there with their cute 0 DPS.
Eventually they use they use Ewer on themselves, or maybe not. But don't worry another Ewer will get held..for themselves. -
06-12-2016, 06:45 AMCherub
Diurnal aspected benefic doesn't stack? I didn't know that. I was convinced they do.
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06-13-2016, 05:41 PMNekoteeThey don't it's the BIGGEST trap ever that whm are happy to avoidQuote:
Originally Posted by Cherub
They can stack medica II while any AST aspected cannot stack and any kind of shield from noct/sch will be overwrite
But medica II and aspected helios work together and regen and aspected benefic too
That's a wish of mine... to give the AST the same thing that whm have.... stacking regen -
06-13-2016, 06:45 PMDarkmoonVael
I also think you should expand this to Sects as well. The amount of time i have got a AST co-healer in DF who hasnt a sect on, doesnt respond to my question in /p of what sect they want, so i switch on Diurnal, we engage fight, 10secs later other AST swiches on the same sect i have on........
AST has been deliberately designed to not function alongside another AST, so buffs dont stack but overwrite, as do Aspect spells from the same sect.
EDIT: just thought of another thing most new AST should also bare in mind, you can not change Sects in combat, but if you have engaged without one on, you can switch one on at any time. -
06-13-2016, 08:13 PMNekotee
2 AST can work together with opposite sect only
You just need to watch out for card overwriting
But having double lightspeed and essential dignity help
If I remember right Vael, we did saw two AST doing a marvellous job together ! XD -
06-14-2016, 01:33 AMtechnole
I'm constantly amazed how many ASTs have this "i like to play Diurnal only" stance, then when they get paired with another AST it's like no one wants to switch. (I'm guessing these situations they were solo-queued, and are not AST mains so they were so used to status quo). Little do they know nothing stack. I see it all too often and I've gotten to the point to educate on this topic if I'm tanking something.
I didn't notice right away but when I ended up dying as PLD MT in A8 for some reason to the first buster, then the other tank did after they took aggro for the second one. Never mind I had a Sentinel up for the first, which should make it pretty easy to heal considering how well-geared I am. But they were busy overwriting ABs and who knows what else was going on. It was like pulling teeth for one to switch too, because one of them was like they never play Noct. Until I mentioned one is just wasting MP because nothing stacks and really just one shield is all you need for the big hit, then just Benefic. I usually jump at the chance at Noct AST when I can. -
06-14-2016, 05:11 AMnexas506Even though it's not my main, I do enjoy dabbling in ast once and a while. When I do, I actually prefer being in noct. Mostly because I'm so used to being the proactive scholar.Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
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06-15-2016, 01:38 AMSasealEh, I do this when I know I'm going to be healing heavily or experienced heavy mp issues in a particular trial (just.... never in dungeons...), new people learning/mistakes or realizing I'm in a derp party. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by technole
I'd spread Ewer, RR another card, Draw a third, place it on whomever based on the who/what/card and save the ewer for that emergency (then rinse and repeat until the ewer is needed). I usually tend to need it badly by add phase in SephEX or add phase in Niddhog (usually from new people deaths, just prior). -
06-15-2016, 02:30 AMSasealIt's really strange - I prefer Noct in trials/raids, but I'm only really experienced with WHM, so I would assume I'd prefer to be a mini WHM in Diurnal.... I have SCH to 60, but only after a lot of off and on leveling, so I'm not particularly experienced or proficient.... and not really a play style I feel confident in, even if the shielding concept is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by nexas506
And yet I prefer Noct stance in pro-actively pre-shielding and pre-casting.
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06-15-2016, 03:26 AMAlistaireIf they did nobody would ever have a reason to go nocturnal sect outside of fights with prey mechanics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherub