I have zero motivation to craft the ironworks stuff because it seems so easy....does anyone else feel this way?
I guess if we will get recipes that need it (eventually) I will be glad I have it but....it seems like such a let down and easy and idk I just guess I thought there would be more of a gate. They made the other stuff so the people could catch up so I guess I thought there would be more of a reward. I don't mind working for things but by and large this whole thing has left me more MEH than YAY!
Color me disappointed, I guess I just wanted it to be challengingish.
I am probably alone in this but.....
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06-09-2016, 03:26 AMpanderinI am probably alone in this but.....
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06-09-2016, 03:42 AMNezeriusThey'll be releasing patch 3.4 in about 3-3.5 months, which will add 4-star recipes. You'll likely need all this gear melded to reach the minimum requirements of those recipes.Quote:
Originally Posted by panderin
I mostly see the current patch as both a catch up patch, as well as one that allows crafters to prepare for 4-star, to make it possible to craft the new DoW/M gear on the first day of 3.4. -
06-09-2016, 05:34 AMBourne_Endeavor
Honestly, I think this may serve as a reboot to crafting. Rowena tokens basically made it impossible for newer crafts to get caught up because you had no way of getting around the weekly cap. I am a bit surprised how easy the better ilvl 195 set is to craft, which is why I think they'll change that in future patches, but 3.3 is simply trying to put everyone on a semi-even playing field.
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06-09-2016, 01:40 PMFinaSel
The requirements to craft it are not too hard, but the items necessary to make it aren't so easy to get unless you just want to buy them from everyone else.
Think about glass fiber. It's not so easy to come by and 1 piece is selling for about 300k on my server. -
06-09-2016, 02:29 PMNihilityglass fiber is being rewarded as desynth items and aquapolis is dropping luminous fiber in small stacks fairly regularly. Maybe even more sourcesQuote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel
Moogles actually seem to be the worst way to get it atm -
06-09-2016, 02:57 PMFinaSel
I need to raise my desynth level because the items which it comes from have quite a high IL.
I heard it dropped in Aquapolis, but I've gone in at least 10 times now and haven't seen it once. Must be bad luck. -
06-09-2016, 05:43 PMNekotee
I agree for the desynth
Since there is two source and one being quite easy to farm it's probable the best (also hq possible in desynth)
For the aquapolis, i bet it's in the deepest room that you can have them
So having bad luck on first room prvent you from having them -
06-09-2016, 05:53 PMChyro
I randomly joined someone shouting in Churning Mists to try out Aquapolis.
1st room Treasure had a Glass Fiber (NQ).
2nd room Treasure had a Luminous Glass Fiber (NQ). ...which I won the roll for :D
Didn't get further cause wrong door chosen, but apparently they can drop even in the first rooms.
Is the only Aquapolis I did so far ^^ -
06-09-2016, 06:14 PMAlisiThey're hard right now but it hasn't been a week since the patch has happened. Trust me. Most crafters are going to see the insane profit that alchemy is making and switch specialists. This'll greatly reduce the prices in the next week. Those that don't are going to do the desynthing.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel
Prices will come down fast. Especially as most hardcore crafters have already made a full set by now. And that's the problem. We shouldn't be able to make a full set the day or two after a patch. Yeah, 4 stars are coming out but that's in 3 to 4 months and you only need one set so that cuts things down to 1/8th the time it used to. =/ -
06-09-2016, 06:26 PMpanderinTHIS....THIS THIS THIS! Just said much better than I could ever have! That is why I have motivation issues, like what is the hurry, I can just fart around this patch and get everything all slow b/c i have MONTHS to get this gear made before it is viable in any real way. MEHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisi
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06-09-2016, 06:32 PMSmallHobbitlol you need be lucky to sell it so cheap!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinaSel
come to Odin the currently price is over 1 mil atm ^^
and it still sells like crazy on the market
regards small hobbit =) -
06-09-2016, 07:03 PMJade-Nephrite
You're not alone, there is no immediate NEED to craft these set pieces... I'm cranking them out with all my own materials, farming Blue Scrips to desynth the ilv 180 gear + Mog Beast Tribe missions. Other players on my server seem surprised, but honestly it's easily crafted Omni-gear and with abundant Type IV Materia it won't even be difficult to meld. Also I don't wear other crafter's gear so I have a few specialist changes to endure, and those need Red Scrips.
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06-09-2016, 07:40 PMAlisiWell, people will try to get as much as they can but Lum NQ is already under 1 mil so that 1 mil for glass fiber won't last. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by SmallHobbit
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06-09-2016, 09:09 PMHanmerrebornWhich items are desynthing into it? I've heard Void Ark so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nihility
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06-09-2016, 09:29 PMNekotee
Blue script stuff (ilevel 180 old red)
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06-09-2016, 10:01 PMLineageRazorI've only done two treasure dungeons so far, but on the second (in which we reached the sixth room), four NQ Glass Fibers dropped (in one case, two from the same chest).Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekotee
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06-10-2016, 01:47 AMpanderinThanks Jade! This is me as well. I am glad I am not the only one not in a hurry. Others on my server are RUSHING and I am like for what? What is there you can't already craft? But to each their own and I guess it is exciting to get new stuff. I farmed aethersands this morning because I know that is a component needed so I am really just doing it all very lazily...feels strange lol! I am just waiting for the market to slow down on fibers as well, doing the moggle and ixal quests and biding my time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite
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06-10-2016, 04:09 AMFoxyArekuIf you crafted the crafting gear yourself, it took very little time at all to gear something out. You just couldn't be an omni crafter, which honestly I thought was fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor
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06-10-2016, 04:08 PMSmallHobbittotally agree craft yesterday my first set and i was shocked how easy it was ^^Quote:
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06-10-2016, 07:21 PMEul
Easy?! I even barely met 3 star craft even I made carbonweave, augmented weapon and augmented hat. :( All my acc still white gear too lol
EDIT: I mean 3 star for make ironwork lol -
06-10-2016, 07:25 PMSmallHobbithmmm thats should be the diffrence between mastercrafter and cusaul crafter ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Eul
but yeah you are right the hardest thing is just to reach the minimum stats for the crafts not the craft themself lol
regards small hobbit ^^ -
06-10-2016, 10:51 PM_Kakera_
The big issue here is that there's no one star crafting gear recipes.
You go from basic 60 right into 2 star 60, so to gear yourself up, it's rather hard. Either you have the money to spare and get geared up or get lucky with base stats and HQ mats, and then the next tier (3 star) is too easy because you'd be in old pentamelded BiS, or you struggle to get the stats for 2 star (with basic gear mostly) and barely make it. There's no middle ground. I'm one of those who struggle right now, because I took a break during the debacle of overpriced crafting gear (still going for millions, guys, and it's not even BiS anymore) and red scrips bs that nobody asked for. -
06-10-2016, 11:18 PMNekotee
The middle tier is ilevel 150 white stuff at level 60
Correctly melded you can do any 2* with any class it's a bit hard at the beginning but the more you craft the easier it get -
06-11-2016, 02:13 AM_Kakera_
That's 60 crafts, though. 60* have no crafting gear; that's what I mean by middle tier. Before Heavensward, you had class-specific sets as 50*. And they didn't even need a Master book either. Melding is annoying enough for our wallets as it is, especially because crafters and to a lesser extent gatherers are the ones that use the most materia with the most waste because of overmelding, so overmelding 60 starter gear just to be able to make a set that you'll meld to (almost have enough stats to) make a third set that you'll overmeld (again) is a huge pain.
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06-11-2016, 01:23 PMLujanMate im the same i always have bis stuff and penta but i looked at it and im like hmmmm why do i need this... still hq it with ez so im like na ill just net my 30 40 fibers and every 2 hours and sell them for a mil each even though price is falling. 800k now damn these rush sellersQuote:
Originally Posted by panderin
We wont need iron works till 3.4 when 4 stars are added but im going to miss the look of my i170 8 set's well 11 i should say with alt.
But I'm really happy we have a Gathering one I'm also very upset that the augmented stuff looks the same >.< -
06-11-2016, 06:53 PMCulfinrandirIf I get the mats then crafting HQ versions should be easy for you then... Please look forward to it. ;PQuote:
Originally Posted by panderin
Seriously though, are these really so easy to craft, especially from NQ mats? I'm a newly levelled crafter & don't even have the Serpentskin gear but want to leap straight to Ironworks because it saves armoury space. I want to know if top crafters are going to have issues making it for me. -
06-11-2016, 07:21 PMKatlynaAlso on Ultros with Jade. There is zero rush to get the gear. Its fun to make it fast but, won't have much to do after. I will note on our server, doing this quickly is relatively expensive at the moment. But top crafters on our server have fat wallets so its mostly a non issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jade-Nephrite
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06-11-2016, 07:25 PMKatlyna
I will note I had the worst RNG in two years yesterday making this crap. I kept having 5-7 hasties fail, flawless synths failing too many times, and getting zero usable good procs. Consequently I had to eat a few NQ items. Was really unusual. But the items would have NQed or had to be reclaimed in past patches too if I had that much terrible RNG. IT was also partially my fault for only running around 1500-1800 starting quality. I've been living dangerously since last patch because I haven't had RNG burn me in a long time.
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06-12-2016, 08:13 AMAlisiThe old stuff took a week to make. It was very labor intensive. That's why it was so much on the MB. It'll come down, eventually, once people realize they'll never get that time back.Quote:
Originally Posted by _Kakera_
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07-03-2016, 11:02 AMFoxyAreku
I didn't agree with this thread at first, but thinking about it and now that it has been out awhile, I'm pretty disappointed too.
You worked hard to gear up one or two crafters a patch or two ago, and made real bank when midas came out on that sweet 220 gear. That was amazing, your hard work really paid off.
Now...they have these ironworks sets, which only have 1 material that is even slightly difficult, the rest is super easy to buy or gather.
And what is worse, it's not even worth making the set to sell, because each piece goes from 900k to 1.5 mil...which honestly, is a pathetic amount for what is supposed to be the best crafting gear in the game. You won't even make a profit if you were to buy the materials and craft it, because every weaver/goldsmith/whatever specialist can craft them. Hell, selling the crafter specific 170 gear for glamour enthusiasts would net you a bigger profit (if anyone would buy them which I doubt at this point).
The only limitation to making IW gear is specialist lock, and that at least keeps the price reasonably high, but what will happen next patch when they go off of specialist? I can easily see people flooding the market with them and this gear set dropping to 500k a piece on populated servers like mine, or worse, and anyone with even a small to decent amount of gil will have a full geared crafter the instant they hit 60 with no work. It just doesn't seem healthy for progression and economy sake, I guess.
It's just such a ridiculous 180 from how it was , just gearing out your 3 specialist classes took time and effort. You had to spend time farming favors and red scrips and you felt so satisfied when you got that awesome looking gear for your favorite crafter job, and you felt special because so few other people had it, but this is just... "Oh yay an ironworks piece, that was easy."
Keep in mind I'm not saying buying your way to best in slot is bad, either, but I do think that the best in slot should at least be a little valuable and not be something everyone can get with literally no effort. Maybe they should have implemented a way to upgrade the 170 gear we made instead, or make the materials for ironworks actually difficult to come by, but this is just bad. Next patch everyone and their mom is going to be a 4 star crafter and it's going to destroy the economy. :( -
07-04-2016, 01:26 AMAlahraI'm pretty sure the economy will be fine. The Ironworks sets aren't particularly more difficult to make than the i60 Artisan's sets were, and they're also more difficult to meld (since you didn't need to fully pentameld some of the left side Artisan's to cap it, IIRC). The economy was plenty healthy after the introduction of Artisan's, and it should remain healthy going forward. What we're seeing here is simply a return to form: the 3.0/3.1 crafting progression dealt a pretty heavy blow to the crafting community on my server, at least, and it's actually vibrant again, which is important to having an economy that works not just for the folks with the time/gil to omnicraft the i170 sets, but for midcore and casual crafters, gatherers, and even battle classes.Quote:
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07-05-2016, 08:55 AMFoxyArekuThe artisan sets still took time though, probably in part to how the sealants were ONLY able to be gotten from Ixali (at least, as far as I was aware).Quote:
Originally Posted by Alahra
I remember it taking me weeks to get a full set of artisan due to that, and they were a lot more expensive than ironworks as well from what I recall.
I dunno, it just doesn't feel like an accomplishment to have an ironworks set like all previous sets did, it's just too easy. -
07-05-2016, 09:26 AMNezerius
It took 16 days of Ixali dailies to get enough for the artisan chest, gloves, pants and boots, spectacles being from turn ins. (This was before the last rank daily rewards were increased to 2 oaknots)
Takes roughly the same amount of days for the Ironworks hat, chest, gloves, pants and boots, depending on how far the crafter is with the moogle tribe (but significantly less if the crafter is rank 7)
The artisan's offhands were the ones that took ages, since it required 8 days worth of sealants per offhand.
Part of the reason why the artisan set was more expensive (as well as more of an accomplishment to make) was the fact that the recipes were behind an RNG wall (Master Book II HQ turn in items), so less crafters had those recipes.
On the other hand, the ironworks set recipes only require a bit of blue scrip farming.
I'd also say that the ironworks set feels less of an accomplishment because of the contrast between this set and the previous set, as the i170 sets took quite a bit of effort to craft.
All in all, having a crafted set like this makes it easier for new crafters to get up to speed for 3.4, and the 4-star recipes it brings. A good amount of specialists being able to craft the new DoW/M gear makes for a more healthy economy, due to it being difficult to monopolize the market on day 1, and making it more likely for raiders to buy the new gear since it'll be at a more reasonable price.
Crafting was turning into a second job. I found farming favors to be extremely boring (but kept doing it due to having enough time on my hands). Did I feel satisfied when I completed the set? Sure, but not because I got to be some special snowflake with a dyeable version of a red scrip set that most other crafters were running around with (the i180 version).Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyAreku
The reason why few had those dyeable sets was because a lot of crafters quit crafting with the changes that were made in 3.0/3.1, and either lacked time or interest in the amount of effort it took, for rather little gain. Sure, 3.2 was quite the reward, but 3.0 made the future of crafting seem rather bleak. -
07-05-2016, 11:16 AMFoxyAreku
Favors were pretty horrible when they were first introduced, but they were nerfed pretty quickly and I for one didn't think it took /that/ long to get materials.
3.0 did make it look bleak, but 3.2 was by far the best crafting patch we've EVER had, in my opinion anyway.
Also want to say, I never considered it a second job, just something to work towards like everything else. But I did notice a lot of people, some of my friends included, quitting crafting during this period. Never understood why, but I guess I just have a higher tolerance for this stuff. It didn't feel any worse than what DoW/DoM have to do on a daily basis to gear up to me.
All in all I just think they made this way too easy, you don't even have to do moogles at all if you have desynthesis leveled, which though everyone doesn't have, it makes the item be in more surplus and lower the value.