BIS crafting gear

Not completed & will be updated at a later date

Update: added my almost BIS chest piece to the list & added the boots which I missed

Main hand: Needs to be discussed with reasoning

Offhand: Needs to be discussed with reasoning

Head:
http://i.imgur.com/dBgQE3M.png

Body:
https://i.imgur.com/ZRdvSAt.png

Gloves:
http://i.imgur.com/d662mQc.png

Waist:
http://i.imgur.com/zPE2frH.png

Legs:
http://i.imgur.com/QvAsfiB.png

Boots:
https://i.imgur.com/roZBUU9.png

Necklace: I've not made yet, need to wait to change specialist (Like to have my name on it cause I'm weird)

Earrings:
http://i.imgur.com/GPTS4ct.png

Bracelet: I've not made yet, need to wait to change specialist (Like to have my name on it cause I'm weird)

Ring/s:
http://i.imgur.com/xcFMtZj.png

I'm curious what rotation you used when making these? I'm assuming it's a slight variation to Rath's Rotation but I'm not sure. Mind sharing?

I use a risky(rng) rotation a lot less reliable than rath's rotation so won't post it as it really is questionable (I use an rng rotation as I hate how long rath's rotations are). I suggest sticking with rath's rotation or a slightly modified rath's rotation if the original rotation no longer work. I'd assume at worse a modified rath's rotation may have to sacrifice a hasty touch for an extra careful synth 2 until you get higher stats.

Nice post! May I ask how you were able to acquire so much Glass/Luminous Fiber?

When it comes time to choose tier 5 materia from the moogles it looks like T5 cunning materia is still either too much or too little for this equipment. T5 competence on the other hand looks like a winner as well as command. I'm dreading having to mimic your belt and earring melds.

Dayum, you've been busy today. Very nice.

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Originally Posted by Tango185

I'm curious what rotation you used when making these? I'm assuming it's a slight variation to Rath's Rotation but I'm not sure. Mind sharing?

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I have only done the accessories so far with rath rotation. Besides more FS, the rest actions are exactly the same

I made the chest and legs with Rath's today and it was very smooth. Very little anxiety at all. With minimum requirements you can miss 3 FS and still not have to modify your rotation at all from Rath's

Alt melds for cap/sleeves would be Control V Control IV Control III Craftsmanship III Craftsmanship II or Control V Control IV Craftsmanship IV Control III Craftsmanship II, both have slightly better chances and can be cheaper depending on server prices.
Of course you could also use 2 tier V (2 Control V, or one Control V and one Craftsmanship V) and be done by the second overmeld, but that's probably not saving any money unless your server has very borked prices.
Likewise, Belt can also be done with Control V, Control V, CP IV, Craftsmanship III, Craftsmanship III, or Control V, Control V, Craftsmanship IV, CP IV, Craftsmanship II. Better chances overall, possibly money saved.
On a side note, 4 pieces with tier V overmelds make me cry.

Can anyone confirm if the CP cap has been raised from its previous 472? Each of the new i190 accessories have +3 more cp but if the hard cap is still 472 it may be pointless to upgrade

there is no CP cap. there is only however much CP you can get.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Can anyone confirm if the CP cap has been raised from its previous 472? Each of the new i190 accessories have +3 more cp but if the hard cap is still 472 it may be pointless to upgrade

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They are higher item level, so they will of course be able to be melded with more CP.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Can anyone confirm if the CP cap has been raised from its previous 472? Each of the new i190 accessories have +3 more cp but if the hard cap is still 472 it may be pointless to upgrade

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430cp without food is the current cap compare to pre3.3 422cp

items have stat meld caps that affect how much control crafts and cp can be attached. however your character's total control crafts and cp stats are not capped. your character will have as much of those stats as you are able to meld and equip. as gear evolves from patch to patch, the maximum possible cp will tend to increase.

in an effort to stop confusing PROBOUND i'll clarify AishaNymph's response.

430cp without food is the most cp possible with 3.3 equipment. before 3.3 the most cp possible without food was 422.

think i'll meld like this.. comes 7 control short and gets all the cp and crafts (except for the body..). requires 6 Competence V and 6 Command V materia with no grade V overmelds.

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hands, head                max melded
7 control
4 control
3 control
5 crafts
5 crafts               

legs, feet                max melded
7 control
4 control
4 cp
3 control
2 crafts               

body                        short 2 control and a bunch of crafts
11 crafts
11 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control               

waist                        short 2 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control
4 cp                       

rings                        max melded
7 control
4 cp
5 crafts
5 crafts
2 control               

neck, earring, wrist        short 1 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 cp
4 cp

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Originally Posted by Fince

think i'll meld like this.. comes 7 control short and gets all the cp and crafts (except for the body..). requires 6 Competence V and 6 Command V materia with no grade V overmelds.

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hands, head                max melded
7 control
4 control
3 control
5 crafts
5 crafts               

legs, feet                max melded
7 control
4 control
4 cp
3 control
2 crafts               

body                        short 2 control and a bunch of crafts
11 crafts
11 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control               

waist                        short 2 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control
4 cp                       

rings                        max melded
7 control
4 cp
5 crafts
5 crafts
2 control               

neck, earring, wrist        short 1 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 cp
4 cp

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Attributes wise, that's exactly what I have done. T5 overmelding is too rich for my blood to attemp, I can live with few points less

i am new to end gear BiS for slotting materia...

should i just meld the same as OP?

Meld as you see fit. Some pieces you can "max meld" - meaning that you can bring them to the maximum possible stats for that piece of gear. Other pieces, there simply aren't enough Materia slots to max out, even if you were to overmeld all t5 Materia. And a few others you can max meld only if you overmeld T5 Materia - a rather expensive proposition.

Personally, I'm doing my best to cap out those pieces that it is possible to do so, while leaving the MH, OH, and Body generally alone (will meld some CP onto the MH and OH tools just to reach the max CP). I won't quite succeed - I'm not going to even attempt to overmeld a T5 Materia, it's too expensive - but I'll come reasonably close.

i don't have the budget for all V's, but i would be fine with doing my first gem slots as V's and go to IV's for the rest of the way.

would following the same pattern as the original poster be fine for the formula though? i don't want to remeld

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Originally Posted by EnkiduDziki

Nice post! May I ask how you were able to acquire so much Glass/Luminous Fiber?

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Glass fiber can be easily obtained from Desynthesis of gear bought with Blue Crafter / Gatherer tokens (in Idyllshire). Or Void Ark gear (which also yields Eso mats)
With approximately 100 tokens and 30 counterfoils (or whatever they are called) you can buy and desynthesize enough get to get like 10-20 glass fibers AND Fieldcraft Demimateria II, depending on your luck.

I also made all of my Ironworks / High-Mythrite gear myself using only desynthesis and glass fibers obtained from Mog quests and pentamelded all.
Plus, switching specializations a lot.

But I didn't overmeld with Tier 5 materia because the success rate is far too low to be worth it. In terms of profit / loss, overmelding with V materia is a loss, even if you were to succeed 100% of the time (virtually impossible), simply because that level of Craftsmanship won't be needed to craft any new recipes in the future.

So the tier V price dropped a lot and I have remelded some of my gears
MH/OH asides , only missing 2 point of control in neck and earring
Don't know whether I should bother tho consider last time I overmelded control V to the 2nd sort ( 17% ) on the bracelet blew up 17x of it

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Originally Posted by AishaNymph

So the tier V price dropped a lot and I have remelded some of my gears
MH/OH asides , only missing 2 point of control in neck and earring
Don't know whether I should bother tho consider last time I overmelded control V to the 2nd sort ( 17% ) on the bracelet blew up 17x of it

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At this stage, I wouldn't. Better to wait until 3.4 drops. If the requirements turn out fairly low, tier V could be a waste. My personal estimate is 940/910 for craft and control, respectively.

The only thing I'm re-melding is my chest which I was EXTREMELY lazy on and Just threw x3 III materia on. Everything else has one V materia in each, none the less I'm short ~8 control from belt and accessories I believe. I chose no IV overmelds four deep and no V overmelds. I've done IV overmelds four deep before but got #@$%@#$% on them when I tried this patch... burnt my stash and our servers control IV market out when trying on a single accessory. Sometimes RNGed says no.

But all these super zaney crazy melds, while super pretty are going to amount to nothing as SE won't be making the requirements that strict. Though... it is fun to just blow ambient money sometimes rather than just sit on the dragon horde.

Im missing 2 control from the waist and one each from neck, bracelet and earrings for the gear thats actually possible to cap. To overmeld tier 5 materia in the neck, bracelet and earrings to get ONE more control is simply insane.

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Originally Posted by Fince

think i'll meld like this.. comes 7 control short and gets all the cp and crafts (except for the body..). requires 6 Competence V and 6 Command V materia with no grade V overmelds.

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hands, head                max melded
7 control
4 control
3 control
5 crafts
5 crafts               

legs, feet                max melded
7 control
4 control
4 cp
3 control
2 crafts               

body                        short 2 control and a bunch of crafts
11 crafts
11 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control               

waist                        short 2 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control
4 cp                       

rings                        max melded
7 control
4 cp
5 crafts
5 crafts
2 control               

neck, earring, wrist        short 1 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 cp
4 cp

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so if i follow this scheme for my right and left side gear. how should i be melding my mainhand and offhand tools to complement this?

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

At this stage, I wouldn't. Better to wait until 3.4 drops. If the requirements turn out fairly low, tier V could be a waste. My personal estimate is 940/910 for craft and control, respectively.

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That would be awfully generous of them. I'm well over that threshold without food and with no melds on MH/OH/chest and i170 accessories. If we get legit 4-star gear worth crafting I wouldn't be surprised by crafts >1000 and control 930-950

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Originally Posted by Fince

think i'll meld like this.. comes 7 control short and gets all the cp and crafts (except for the body..). requires 6 Competence V and 6 Command V materia with no grade V overmelds.

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hands, head                max melded
7 control
4 control
3 control
5 crafts
5 crafts               

legs, feet                max melded
7 control
4 control
4 cp
3 control
2 crafts               

body                        short 2 control and a bunch of crafts
11 crafts
11 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control               

waist                        short 2 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 control
4 cp                       

rings                        max melded
7 control
4 cp
5 crafts
5 crafts
2 control               

neck, earring, wrist        short 1 control
10 crafts
4 control
4 control
4 cp
4 cp

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http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VCGG

This is what it looks like on WVR minus the MH/OH melds and with i170 accessories (cuz Ironworks accessories don't offer much above them).

Totals 939 Craftmanship, 895 Control, 414 CP.

i followed that setup almost to a T.

i am at 988 Crafts, 926 Control and 415 CP.

i have my main hand/tools left... what should i increase next to make myself more efficient for making HQ items?

the sooner i know the sooner i can meld to achieve this, thank you

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Originally Posted by TahoeMax

That would be awfully generous of them. I'm well over that threshold without food and with no melds on MH/OH/chest and i170 accessories. If we get legit 4-star gear worth crafting I wouldn't be surprised by crafts >1000 and control 930-950

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Very unlikely. Those stats would render the Augmented ilvl 200 set utterly worthless. Even pentamelding grade Vs in nearly every slot in the bits of Ironworks you have (Belt and Accessories), you would still only amass roughly 991 Craft and 943 Control without specialists. This means everyone who opted for red scrips gear literally wasted their time. Consider without any melds whatsoever, the Agumented set plus Ironworks nets you 929/883 and the current highest tier recipes are 870/835. We already dwarf the requirements. I suspect they will keep in line with that hence the lower estimate.

I don't understand people aiming 415 CP when you can go for 430
15 point différence is 1 skill at 100% or innovation

Why not capping the main stat ?

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

I don't understand people aiming 415 CP when you can go for 430
15 point différence is 1 skill at 100% or innovation

Why not capping the main stat ?

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Because pentamelding those extra bits of CP isn't going to be fun. Control is also a guaranteed increased to quality while an extra CP can only possibly help.

I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Is the over-melding percentage rate still as bad as ever?

If it is, I will happily ignore gathering and crafting forever. Its just not for me given the amount of time needed to do just about anything at 1-star and beyond.

Melding pourcentage never changed
So it's rng ruled

I'm sorry but 15 control doesn't affect that much quality progress
While having more CP allow innovation or a 100% chance quality step which is far more beneficial

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Originally Posted by Erudito

I'm sorry, but I have to ask. Is the over-melding percentage rate still as bad as ever?

If it is, I will happily ignore gathering and crafting forever. Its just not for me given the amount of time needed to do just about anything at 1-star and beyond.

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More or less. Grade IV is 29% on the first overmeld but from there, you are looking at <20% on every attempt. Fortunately, this is only needed for extreme endgame crafting. You can still make bank without ever touching specialist recipes or going crazy with pentamelds.

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Originally Posted by Nekotee

Melding pourcentage never changed
So it's rng ruled

I'm sorry but 15 control doesn't affect that much quality progress
While having more CP allow innovation or a 100% chance quality step which is far more beneficial

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It's more if the pentamelding is worth putting up with absurdly low RNG. Unless I absolutely need it for the next tier, I probably won't touch either. Ashe's current recommendation is:

Craft: 986
Control: 959
CP: 426

I, personally, am going to hold off on melding that much craft because I have my doubts it'll be necessary. And just to note, the above is fully pentamelded save the MT and includes Specialist.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...qjs/edit#gid=0