How to report people selling plots?

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Use the report function in game. Under support.

System Settings > Support Desk > Contact Us > Report Harassment

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

Use the report function in game. Under support.

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Originally Posted by Ranulf

System Settings > Support Desk > Contact Us > Report Harassment

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Thanks! :)

You're welcome. Thanks for report that I'll behaviour and hopefully open up some spots.

You know that they just get a warning, or if they'd been warned before a suspension, right? The GMs don't reverse transactions and take away houses. You might scare people who get caught from doing the same thing again but no plots will be freed up.

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Originally Posted by HReincarnate

no plots will be freed up.

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Not only that, but less houses will be available to buy, since the owners will hold onto them longer for a more discrete transaction.

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Originally Posted by HReincarnate

You know that they just get a warning, or if they'd been warned before a suspension, right? The GMs don't reverse transactions and take away houses. You might scare people who get caught from doing the same thing again but no plots will be freed up.

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Pretty much this.....people have it in their heads that by stopping the plot selling, that they will somehow have a chance at a house. You have a better chance at buying a house if you give in to the sellers...as crappy as that is...but if you make it so they won't want to sell it, they will likely sit on it. They aren't going to be like "Oh my plan has been foiled....I guess I'll give up this plot for free and move on!" Trust me...If I owned a plot with intent to sell, and I could no longer profit off of it, I'm going to sit on it and make some kind of use out of it.

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Originally Posted by odie

Pretty much this.....people have it in their heads that by stopping the plot selling, that they will somehow have a chance at a house.

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I have already a house and will still report everyone who sell plot abandonment

Let's report them so they'll get a slap on their hand.

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Originally Posted by HReincarnate

You know that they just get a warning, or if they'd been warned before a suspension, right? The GMs don't reverse transactions and take away houses. You might scare people who get caught from doing the same thing again but no plots will be freed up.

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a warning is better than nothing

It is funny how weak SE is on keeping their ToS in place. I mean no wonder there are still gilseller and idiots who buy gil. They need to be way harsher in enforcing their rules.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

It is funny how weak SE is on keeping their ToS in place. I mean no wonder there are still gilseller and idiots who buy gil. They need to be way harsher in enforcing their rules.

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They have to be careful how they wield the ban hammer though. We know that RMT is bad...but SE themselves (other than the ToS that a majority of players won't read) don't exactly make it clear. You get hit with gil selling messages within the very first cutscene starting the game, and a player that doesn't know anyone could be like..."hey yeah, that sounds good. I'll do that" and then they end up banning a good number of players. We ourselves don't know how many people are buying gil. But it must be enough people to hurt the game if they are banned outright if the RMT are still very much alive within the game.

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Originally Posted by Felis

I have already a house and will still report everyone who sell plot abandonment

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The more reports they get, the larger the issue becomes and the more likely a definitive response from SE is. Personally, the sour grapes crowd who are saying that if they were sitting on a plot they could no longer resell, they'd make some use out of it are just crying in their beer. To them I say, "Man up, relinquish the plot, admit that your gaming of the system isn't on and move on".

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

The more reports they get, the larger the issue becomes and the more likely a definitive response from SE is. Personally, the sour grapes crowd who are saying that if they were sitting on a plot they could no longer resell, they'd make some use out of it are just crying in their beer. To them I say, "Man up, relinquish the plot, admit that your gaming of the system isn't on and move on".

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I'm not even complaining...i'm just saying. You're unlikely to get anyone to relinquish their house at a loss.

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Originally Posted by odie

I'm not even complaining...i'm just saying. You're unlikely to get anyone to relinquish their house at a loss.

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Why? What are they going to do with the additional gil? Count it? Seriously, it's time SE took this issue on, head on, and dealt with it.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Why? What are they going to do with the additional gil? Count it? Seriously, it's time SE took this issue on, head on, and dealt with it.

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Why? Because they already spent the gil on the house. in the millions of gil.....Nobody is going to surrender that like you want them to. Nobody just spends that much gil on a house and just throws it away by giving up the plot. Unless they were very charitable...and if they were, they wouldn't have bought the house to flip it in the first place. You have too much faith in them to think they'd eat the loss like that.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

the sour grapes crowd who are saying that if they were sitting on a plot they could no longer resell

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Oh, that's the sour grapes crowd... I thought it was someone else in the scenario, and specifically this thread.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Oh, that's the sour grapes crowd... I thought it was someone else in the scenario, and specifically this thread.

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It's the sour grapes crowd, if someone in this thread identifies in that crowd, that's their business. But seriously, players engaging in property speculation do so at their own risk. Their tears should not be considered by SE when deciding a policy for multi-plot ownership.

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Originally Posted by odie

Why? Because they already spent the gil on the house. in the millions of gil.....Nobody is going to surrender that like you want them to. Nobody just spends that much gil on a house and just throws it away by giving up the plot. Unless they were very charitable...and if they were, they wouldn't have bought the house to flip it in the first place. You have too much faith in them to think they'd eat the loss like that.

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If you spent gil on the plot, and gil on the house and gil on the furnishings, then you're using the actual home. I was referring to those who own multiple plots with the intent of reselling all but one of them by exploiting the system. If you as an account holder have multiple characters on a single server each of which owns a separate home and has furnished it, then it's different, but I was referring to speculators. That said, if they enforce one plot per account per server shared across all characters on that account/server, which I think they should; then they need to ensure that such players can choose which plot to keep, and be compensated in full for the plots they must relinquish, along with a transfer system of some kind to ensure they do not lose unique furnishings.

Property speculators are one thing, players who make use of actual homes are an other. Unfortunately both are different facets of the issue with housing in this game.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

It's the sour grapes crowd, if someone in this thread identifies in that crowd, that's their business. But seriously, players engaging in property speculation do so at their own risk. Their tears should not be considered by SE when deciding a policy for multi-plot ownership.

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100,000% this

Buying and selling property in this fashion is against the rules. They've clarified this, and are acting accordingly. If someone gets screwed over because they broke the rules, the onus of responsibility is on them.

Should SE introduce a system that automatically scales the amount of plots available to match player demand so that anyone can buy an empty plot at list price? Yes they should, and it would evaporate the problem of housing speculation entirely (and wouldn't be that hard to code). But for whatever reason, they haven't. When we sign up to play this game, we agree to do so according to the rules they've set forth--rules that encourage fairness to other players. So if, when someone acts against the heart of those rules, they get burned, it's tough luck for them.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

It's the sour grapes crowd, if someone in this thread identifies in that crowd, that's their business. But seriously, players engaging in property speculation do so at their own risk. Their tears should not be considered by SE when deciding a policy for multi-plot ownership.

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I figured it was the crowd that didn't get their way and were throwing a temper tantrum.

I'm personally part of the fermented grapes crowd.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

Let's report them so they'll get a slap on their hand.

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Even if they're not banned. They may have their house(s) taken. And that's all that matters.

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Originally Posted by odie

I'm not even complaining...i'm just saying. You're unlikely to get anyone to relinquish their house at a loss.

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If they do gardening right then there will be no loss

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Even if they're not banned. They may have their house(s) taken. And that's all that matters.

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I don't think so.

I have reported a bunch of rude people who said racist words to me, including the N word and slurs for Latinos (even though I'm not black and not hispanic). GM came to talk to me and said that they're taking these stuffs seriously.

Then I kept refreshing on their lodestone profile and I saw them changing job and equipment, that means they didn't get banned even for a day.

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Originally Posted by odie

Pretty much this.....people have it in their heads that by stopping the plot selling, that they will somehow have a chance at a house. You have a better chance at buying a house if you give in to the sellers...as crappy as that is...but if you make it so they won't want to sell it, they will likely sit on it. They aren't going to be like "Oh my plan has been foiled....I guess I'll give up this plot for free and move on!" Trust me...If I owned a plot with intent to sell, and I could no longer profit off of it, I'm going to sit on it and make some kind of use out of it.

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That holds true only for the plots they already have. It can, however, discourage the practice from continuing. Ban (well, temporarily suspend, at the very least give a warning to) enough of the people who buy up these houses in order to price-gouge other players, and the next time more housing gets released players might think twice before trying to hoard it like that.

So if you want the release of Ishgard apartments and housing wards to go more smoothly than these last few housing releases, then report anybody you see abusing the system.

You're only stopping the people dumb/ignorant enough to advertise selling in game. Many sales are being coordinated on external forums.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Personally, the sour grapes crowd who are saying that if they were sitting on a plot they could no longer resell, they'd make some use out of it are just crying in their beer. To them I say, "Man up, relinquish the plot, admit that your gaming of the system isn't on and move on".

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To be fair, both sides of this argument are "sour grapes". The selfish people buying just to resell are ruining it for everyone, just as much as the people reporting innocent people that are relinquishing for a valid reason (server move etc, and not asking for an exorbitant amount) are just as guilty. The people mass reporting without prejudice are simply jealous that someone else has a shiny they want that they couldn't get. so to those people, I say "Man up, wait until you get lucky or buy from an honest seller. Admit that you people are only reporting some of these people out of malice and spite, not because you ACTUALLY think it is wrong."