Idea for more fairness (New Housing Plots)

Dear Sirs and Madams,

I know you already choose a more or less "humane" time for the server maintenance so the majority of people without a life can instantly log in after the servers come up. But here a suggestion on how to make it more fair for everyone poor player with a social life or just not the guts to call in sick for a patch and new plots.

How about, for new plots, you implement a counter and "shield" until the weekend to prevent that all the new plots are sold out in mere minutes and giving the people with either a lot of time or no life at all an huge advantage.

I have to admit that this idea was born out of rage and disappointment over the situation of "available" plots on my server. But the more and the longer I think about it it makes more and more sense. That way, the majority has a higher chance to be able to obtain a plot at the weekend instead of getting their hopes crushed the moment they log in after a hard day.

I play since 1.0 and even though I play that long and literally having the money to purchase even a medium size plot my life and my situation forbid me the chance to get a plot since they were introduced. So in all honesty and hope, please consider this idea. Not only for my sake, but for the sake of everyone with a life and the hope to one day, getting a plot to build a nice, comfort home on it.

They could just upgrade the servers so they can have more plots and increase how many people you can share a house with. SE doesn't seem too keen on that idea, unfortunately.

I sorta wish housing was like it was talked about back in closed beta. Back then , housing had sounded more like an upgradeable module. Where you would buy a plot. And with crafting and dumping more and more money into it, you could upgrade it to a medium and eventually a large. That would of been perfect. Start off with a plot slightly smaller then the current small. Everyone starts with one, then those who want bigger homes could invest the time and money commitments.

Possibly this is why they will have the apartment style housing in 3.5? but I don't think those will be upgradeable.

Well, that would be another idea for sure Syhrwyb but I'm sure most people would love to have a house on their own instead of sharing it with one. It still wouldn't eliminate the problem that people who have more free time having an advantage over other players with less time.

So either SE comes up with an idea that would give everyone the same chance on obtaining a plot in the wards or as you say expanding the wards to such a degree that the amount of players currently playing on the server are covered. Including a block to purchase more than one plot. Because a friend just told me that a FC on Balmung purchased most of the new plots and illegally reselling them for a high price.

Apartments do sound nice, but I think they do not have the amount of creative freedom as houses. No outside, no different sizes and lets be fair her. Who wants an apartment if you could have a house?

Future updates are to have apartments but i agree who wants that? It is not any different then having a room in your FC house really. Houses, the main appeal is not only the space inside but the freedom you have outside with furniture, trees, garden, etc..
I can tell you right know once i get back home tonight and log in the houses will all be gone :(

Apartments won't work for an FC.. and right now my FC is sitting on the gil for a medium and we got shut out.

On the mayor servers they already are gone. Literally sold out. It is kinda sad, that SE is unable to come up with a simple idea or mechanism to prevent that. People like you and me who are just unable to come on earlier have no fair chance to even get a glimps on such an opportunity. So I guess you agree with me as well that SE has to do something about it and that apartments are not a solution at all.

@Zyama: I feel with you, Zyama. Just talking with a fellow player on Excalibur, who logged on rather quickly as well to be able to obtain an plot for their FC thus not being able to.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

How about, for new plots, you implement a counter and "shield" until the weekend to prevent that all the new plots are sold out in mere minutes and giving the people with either a lot of time or no life at all an huge advantage.

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I get where you are coming from, and I was fortunate enough to have a house a very long time ago.

But such a system can never really be fair, if they implemented that then this exact thread would exist written by someone who works or has commitments at a weekend asking for it to be shielded until a weekday. Plus on that day where the shields come down it would resort to FFXI style button hammering to see who gets the claim on a plot first, with hundreds crashing the areas, then it would only favor those with extremely good connections and PS3/4 players would be screwed...

@pikster: So what would you suggest then? That is the only more or less suitable idea I can think of. Should we just be quiet? Should be accept that SE is unable to handle or even resolve this problem? Should we just hope that in 5 years when the game came out of style that we then are able to obtain a plot?

To note by the way, housing is MASSIVELY over rated, my garden has all the beastman furnishings and an unused stable, in fact the most use it gets is the FC opposite me who dont want a striking dummy using mine.

I go into my house purely to stop it demolishing so I can continue filling my basement with event furnishings.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

@pikster: So what would you suggest then? That is the only more or less suitable idea I can think of. Should we just be quiet? Should be accept that SE is unable to handle or even resolve this problem? Should we just hope that in 5 years when the game came out of style that we then are able to obtain a plot?

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Its not for me to suggest im afraid, im sure SE will look at the feedback, my point is though that there is NO FAIR way to do it. Other than the XI style housing where everyone has it, or wildstar style instances.

I'd love to suggest something, but I dont work for SE :P

Make it so that you cannot purchase a plot if you already own one, make personal homes account wide per server, implement FC ownership only wards where the house on the plot can be upgraded from small>medium>large upgrade performed on server maint days. Also, multiple plots cannot be in an FCs name.

This way you stop the issue of one person owning most of a ward for flipping to make money. You also prevent that person from trying to circumvent the restriction through the use alts on the account to own more homes. You also prevent the same on the FC side of things, while giving FCs the expand-ability they need without having to move to larger plots.

First come first serve will still be an issue, the only way to "fix" that would be to instance the housing system entirely so that everyone in the game.

However as WoW's Warlords of Draenor showed is that such instancing will create the issue of not enough people venturing out into the open world. Since you can just stock your house with NPCs that sell most general things you need and a marketboard is a short teleport away. Just que for dungeons and raids from home while you send your retainers out of ventures like its WoW Garrisons.

Yeah well no offense piskter but it's private owners that are the issue, right now my FC is small and I can't even think about growing it because I have nothing to offer that other FC's with houses have to offer too. So housing should be prioritized to FC's first and then private owners who won't actually use their houses. Lowering the prices so anyone could get a small was a huge mistake it encouraged private ownership and house flipping to an extreme.

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Originally Posted by TankHunter678

Make it so that you cannot purchase a plot if you already own one, make personal homes account wide per server, implement FC ownership only wards where the house on the plot can be upgraded from small>medium>large upgrade performed on server maint days. Also, multiple plots cannot be in an FCs name.

This way you stop the issue of one person owning most of a ward for flipping to make money. You also prevent that person from trying to circumvent the restriction through the use alts on the account to own more homes. You also prevent the same on the FC side of things, while giving FCs the expand-ability they need without having to move to larger plots.

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I like your ideas though some of them got mentioned before. True is that SE gotta do something about it and that this Problem and the obviously upcoming frustration with it gave my enthusiasm to play the game a real hard kick in the balls, thus not wanting to even log in for a few days.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

Because a friend just told me that a FC on Balmung purchased most of the new plots and illegally reselling them for a high price.

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This, along with multiple other claims of other such FC's or individuals buying an ungodly amount of plots have proven to be false.

@Aarocane: Says who? The FCs? Sure that they might deny it.

Hi, here another legacy that plays since 1.0 and beta tester... also looking for a house since moment you added first plots and had been saving gils to buy a small or medium one (dont need a mansion) ages ago cause when got enough all old plots had been already full. And now when you finally added some more... All plots full in less than 3 mins really?! please... thats insane!
I'm working during week to gain some money and pay rigorous every month. I just arrived few mins ago from a hard day work and now I'm really disapointed and frustated cause of this...


I just have 2 questions for Square Enix at this point please...



Why you allow that same users could buy more than 1 private house even more if you having some data center space problem?

What can we do now all this people like me in stead of waiting few more years to have another chance to get a house without having to miss work day and without spending crazy prices rebuying one from speculators!?

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

@Aarocane: Says who? The FCs? Sure that they might deny it.

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Because it has been disproved several times already. One individual on Balmung was accused of having 17 different plots between the last 2 wards when in fact he had 2.
I'm not saying there's not an FC out there that managed to get a good little collection of plots, but "so and so FC has 75 plots" is untrue.

It is not proved yet, thus even having 2 plots isn't fair. There should be, as stated before in this topic, a system in place that prevents people or FC's to have more than one plot at all time. Including account wide.

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Originally Posted by Aarocane

Because it has been disproved several times already. One individual on Balmung was accused of having 17 different plots between the last 2 wards when in fact he had 2.
I'm not saying there's not an FC out there that managed to get a good little collection of plots, but "so and so FC has 75 plots" is untrue.

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You're saying it's not true does not making any more or less true. Regardless of whether it is or not it's a broken system and SE needs to fix it.

Or just make is so an account can only have one house per server.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

It is not proved yet, thus even having 2 plots isn't fair. There should be, as stated before in this topic, a system in place that prevents people or FC's to have more than one plot at all time. Including account wide.

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Hold on. The FC Master can only have 1 FC house at any given time. So an FC can only own a single plot/house at a time. Players within a FC can of course purchase their own plots. But what if a group of friends within a FC buy adjoining plots and create their own neighborhood? If you look on from the outside, do you see friends getting homes next to each other, or do you only see FC members buying plots as stooges to exploit others? If you presume guilt, you see the later, if you presume innocence you see the former. It's far more likely that a group of friends managed to obtain adjoining plots near their FC house than it is that the FC has an evil master plan to speculate on property.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Hold on. The FC Master can only have 1 FC house at any given time. So an FC can only own a single plot/house at a time. Players within a FC can of course purchase their own plots. But what if a group of friends within a FC buy adjoining plots and create their own neighborhood? If you look on from the outside, do you see friends getting homes next to each other, or do you only see FC members buying plots as stooges to exploit others? If you presume guilt, you see the later, if you presume innocence you see the former. It's far more likely that a group of friends managed to obtain adjoining plots near their FC house than it is that the FC has an evil master plan to speculate on property.

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Well that wouldn't be all bad if these people wouldn't try to sell this "neighbourhood" for 3-4x the price of the plot.

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Originally Posted by Kazza2003

Well that wouldn't be all bad if these people wouldn't try to sell this "neighbourhood" for 3-4x the price of the plot.

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Agreed, that's why I made the distinction between the group of friends wanting homes near each other, and a group speculating.