How does MNK AoE compare?

MNK has better AoE than nin and drg. It's got less than SMN, but how does it compare BLM, BRD, and MCH?

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Originally Posted by winsock

MNK has better AoE than nin and drg. It's got less than SMN, but how does it compare BLM, BRD, and MCH?

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Not sure about bard, but monk cannot beat BLM or MCH on AoE

If the bard knows what they're doing, monk can't compete. Bard AoE is stronger than machinists.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

If the bard knows what they're doing, monk can't compete. Bard AoE is stronger than machinists.

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It is potentially stronger if rng ticks in your favor, however a Bishop turret can deal consistent pseudo auto attacks to an entire group, if hypercharged that damage is DOUBLED.


BRD has 2 aoe gcd, rain of death(rng to use more which requires applying two gcd dots) & flaming arrow.

MCH has the same potency 2 gcds(6 which are 20 potency stronger due to ammo so 120 higher potency than BRD), richochet(not that great for aoe but it helps) & the turret (which already naturally does more than Flaming except had unlimited uptime) & hypercharge (which doubles the turrets damage for 20 seconds)


Mch wins everytime due to the fact that in order to actually get the RoD procs you must use at least one gcd dot for a tiny chance to proc whereas the MCH can aoe. I can see BRD winning with constant RoD procs almost every second.



As for MNK, it has the highest aoe besides BLM/SMN or unless the ranged dps pop every buff. Even still 80% of BLM STILL lose so it requires a lot of skill to out damage a MNK in aoe. This is all from personal experience/knowledge

Depends. Monk aoe is solid anyway, with perfect balance it's second only to smn, and beats out smn on a very short burst. The combination of a low gcd and 40%+ damage increase on a spammed 120 potency gcd is insane. And that's without 10% from blood for blood and 30% crit from internal release. Add to that an Elixer field and a Howling fist.

No DoW can compete with DoM like BLM on AoE's. AoE's are not a DoW's strong point in general. A BRD is stronger against multi-targets than MCH in my opinion. It is because one of BRD's good points is it's large amount of quite decent DoT's not limited to a tiny section of the fight arena. If the BRD DoT's all the targets and then commences it's AoE's the MCH will often do worse (there may be outlier's based on quality of player though and it may depend slightly on how compact the group of targets are location wise) but to compensate for the strength and versatility of BRD's multi-target DoT use I think the MCH got given a little higher potential single target burst DMG so I am fine with that. If taking part in a multi-target fight I personally would rather use my BRD than MCH but in a single target fight I would rather use my MCH. This is just my opinion but that is how I see it. As for MNK, they continue to have one of the highest (if not the highest) single target DPS potential so they really shouldn't get AoE's comparable to classes which lack that same single target DMG output.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

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I used to think that too about BRD actually
But...

MCH in 8 attacks til buffs wear off (2840 potency) 8 grenade shots plus hypercharged turret plus ricochet

BRD in 8 attacks with unbelievable rng (3190 potency) 8 wide volley plus flaming arrow plus Rain of Death EVERY second(19), Without any rng = 1290 potency

MCH wins unless you get Rain of Death procd At least 16 times excluding the two youd get in your normal rotation, which means youd need to dot enemies which would let the MCH aoe even more while you get the dots up

It isn't fair but MCH wins in single & aoe damage which is why theyre buffing BRD in 3.3 I guess


As for BLM it right now has the highest single target damage(MNK is barely second) but has pretty good/okay aoe from fire 2/flare, however by the time you get one fire 2 mnk has attacked twice already, so MNK can sustain higher aoe than any class except SMN & maybe ranged. It would eventually catch up to ranged too I think.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

No DoW can compete with DoM like BLM on AoE's.

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If we look at the one savage fight were aoe matters the most MNK and BLM is equal, average DPS difference is 1 according to fflogs. This was pre MNK boost so MNK would probably be ahead now.

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Originally Posted by RLofOBFL

I used to think that too about BRD actually
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A BRD however does not require all the mobs to be tightly compacted into a small area for it to begin doing very good multi-target damage, also TP wise a MCH will not do many more AoE's in the time it takes for the BRD to apply multi-target DoT's as the MCH will run out of TP still pretty quickly as GS uses a fair amount of TP while the MCH AoE turret can only regen MP not TP so might get just few more skill based AoE's in but I think that is about all and in the meantime the BRD's DoT's will start to do quite a bit of damage.

Hypercharge only lasts 20 seconds with 2 minute CD so the boost from that is limited, a BRD has no CD on it's larger range of DoT's outside of the animation time on refreshing them so has no 2 minutes down time. The DoT's from BRD have 50% chance to proc instant timer refresh on crits for RoD but RoD has no TP cost (vs MCH GS which is 160 TP each) and in the meantime when on it's normal 15 second CD for RoD you could use WV+FA still on BRD and not just limiting self to just RoD's. MCH has one DoT, an AoE turret and either GS or Spread Shot (both cost a lot of TP so will generally stick with GS only) while BRD has two DoT's, FA, WV (can use when RoD hasn't proc'd) and RoD itself.

If was talking about only AoE's I might agree that MCH would be better 'maybe' but that's why I used the term multi-target rather than just AoE before. I still think BRD is better in multi-target fights compared to MCH and I would still take my BRD on such fights instead for that reason. On single target fights I would still take my MCH. It is possible I could be wrong (it gets very complex when take into account all factors like all the various party compositions and various self and party buffs) but in my opinion I still think BRD is better for multi-target fights when combine DoT's and AoE's vs just AoE's alone.

I also have MNK and I will say I think it really does not need a AoE buff, not because I agree with others who said the AoE on it is as good as BLM (which I do not think is true unless the BLM is bad) but because it's single target DPS is high enough to compensate for any lacking potential AoE damage. If MNK got a AoE buff then I think all the other physical DPS should get single target damage buffs to match MNK single target damage output...which of course would annoy a vast amount of other MNKS who take such pride in being one of the highest single target damage classes in the game.

Monk cannot come anywhere near blm aoe unless the blm is rather bad.
In terms of mellee however it does have the highest aoe out of the 3 and i tend to lean towards Monk being higher aoe then Bard and Mach as well

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Originally Posted by Maero

Monk cannot come anywhere near blm aoe unless the blm is rather bad.
In terms of mellee however it does have the highest aoe out of the 3 and i tend to lean towards Monk being higher aoe then Bard and Mach as well

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If your average MNK deals the same damage as your average BLM in the fight that is consisting of 90% AoE were a BLM can basically turret, how can a BLM be so much better?

EDIT: http://www.fflogs.com/statistics/7#boss=19
Here is how all the DPS did in A2S.

It really depends on how the AoE is set up.

If you're talking dungeon trash that allows for down time between pulls for TP regen, and dies fast because the whole party is doing good AoE, MNK is near the top. If it's large pack of dungeon trash that lives for 45+ seconds because the party sucks at AoE, a MNK can't carry the party through that like a BLM/SMN/BRD/MCH.

In the parts of A2S where there are more than 4 mobs in a cluster, BLM blows MNK away. When it's 2-3 mobs, MNK is basically getting bonus damage on their AoE oGCDs while BLM would end up doing about the same or less by going into AoE mode.

In a nutshell: MNK is best melee AoE. Ranged Attackers are always better.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

I also have MNK and I will say I think it really does not need a AoE buff, not because I agree with others who said the AoE on it is as good as BLM (which I do not think is true unless the BLM is bad) but because it's single target DPS is high enough to compensate for any lacking potential AoE damage. If MNK got a AoE buff then I think all the other physical DPS should get single target damage buffs to match MNK single target damage output...which of course would annoy a vast amount of other MNKS who take such pride in being one of the highest single target damage classes in the game.

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You really dont understand why monks even want or got a buff.

I dont have a issue with my current DPS frankly our last mnk buff was a surprise. What i have a issue with is our lack in utility and frankly thus far all SE has done is increased our DPS to compensate(or so i believe).

But sure. We dont need a buff, ur right, we need utility.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

But sure. We dont need a buff, ur right, we need utility.

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You got Dragon Kick, that's a 10% boost to melee damage from the mages in your group. Aint that utility enough?

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

You got Dragon Kick, that's a 10% boost to melee damage from the mages in your group. Aint that utility enough?

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xD I think AST is slashing damage... maybe SCH/SMN/WHM/THM are blunt? XD Oh yeah keep that up for my auto deeps!