when I'm in town for whatever reason I'll do a simple shout letting people know I'm looking for a LS. I don't spam chat and I think I word it right. I then wait a little bit before I go about my business. I have yet to get a single response. I do enjoy the solo aspect a little more then partying but I love talking with people and not being able to find a group to socialize with is taking some of the fun out of the game for me.
still anti social
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10-29-2011, 11:28 PMkanjitaistill anti social
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10-29-2011, 11:32 PMAenarion
may want to try look for recruitment posts first, I don't think shouting for LS to join usually works all that well :(
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10-29-2011, 11:38 PMNefarioCall
You got to know starting out:
1) until the new server structure is complete, no one can kick you from a LS unless you are standing in front of them. So if you go offline for a long time/quit the game, then you're taking up a spot on the LS roster that could be used by someone active. Alas, there is a limit to the maximum number of LS members in a single shell.
2)There are server specific boards on these forums. Go to yours for Karnak, and there should be a topic in there for Linkshells on your server. You can also run a google search. Of course LS' die frequently. They did in FFXI too, but find one you like, and if it looks alive enough for you, apply. Give it a couple days and you should be fine.
ALSO, THE STAR ONIONS IS THE AWESOME. Lindblum <3 -
10-29-2011, 11:45 PMkanjitai
I'll try the suggestions you guys have given me. I still think you should be able to find an LS simply by asking around in game but sometimes it doesn't go that way.
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10-29-2011, 11:56 PMTheVedisyou should BUTQuote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
alot of players who "shout for a shell" arent exactly the kind people want in their shells
thus why you get ignored doing it
kinda like people who shout their recruitment in town, most players wont touch that -
10-30-2011, 12:27 AMPreypacerConversely, I'd be a bit reticent about joining a LS that immediately invites me "sight unseen".Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
It's like a blind invite in reverse lol.
I prefer to have some kind of conversation with LS/Guild/Clan/Etc leaders before I join - even if I've applied on their site. An application is kinda one-sided and doesn't really give you a feel. I find the best, most honest and direct answers come from an actual conversation where you're asking questions off the cuff and their answers can't be scripted. I've made good decisions about 80% of the time that way.
It's the difference between LS leaders/officers trying to recruit good people who will improve the experience for all LS members, and those just trying to cram as many warm bodies in as possible, as quickly as they can.
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10-30-2011, 12:48 AMMajidah
I usually get pearls thrown on me in parties when they see I'm not wearing one; try that?
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10-30-2011, 01:12 AMkensredemptionThat seems like a pretty valid idea, unless of course the party's botched in some way. Ha ha ha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majidah
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10-30-2011, 01:49 AMTombah
sometimes asking at the camps would be better because it'll look like you're hardworking and active. but maybe that's just me lol..
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10-30-2011, 02:17 AMAleczan
I am the type of person who doesn't invite strangers to my LS, one of the reason is that we're either real life friends, friends of friends, or friends from FFXI.
To get invited into a Linkshell, I think you will have more chance if you first make friends with that person. Personally, I MIGHT invite someone if I get to know them a little, and like their personality, and/or talk to them enough to have a feeling that they're not an asshole. For a total stranger shouting in Ul'dah? No way. I can't predict what kind of person they are. And yeah I think due to poor LS management system/option we have now, fewer people are willing to pick up a stranger. -
10-30-2011, 03:10 AMSynfrag
Try to befriend people in parties, start there. Every LS I have joined was either through a forum recruit or from members in my party. Same for our recruitment, many of the people we see do well in parties and they get invited. Once in a while we take on shouters but it's pretty rare.
You kind of have to prove yourself in XIV which isn't unlike other mmos it's just that there are far fewer people and LSs in general. -
10-30-2011, 03:38 AMTheVedisbest way to recruit especialy when parties are long enough to get to know people in themQuote:
Originally Posted by Majidah
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10-30-2011, 07:10 PMkanjitai
after reading posts I can see everyone's point about not inviting a total stranger. although that's how I got into my social in XI because someone was willing to take a chance on me. I guess I'll try and find one in the world section of the forums.
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10-30-2011, 09:06 PMLeo_Hart
Reroll to Gysahl ^^
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10-30-2011, 09:59 PMBearforcebecause the servers are dead, no people in it. iam sure that SE will merge servers when subs come.Quote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
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10-30-2011, 10:39 PMkanjitai
another thing I've been wondering because of the way people feel about strangers will I have to do everything with my LS? example I want to do the ifrit battle I can't shout for that?
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10-30-2011, 10:50 PMAtoliI don't know about Figaro or at which time you play, but Lindblum for example is everything but dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearforce
There are lots of active players at all times of the day.
People just tend to stay in groups and not invite strangers who shout for LS in town.
But really, there are several ways to find a LS other than that:
I found my first LS by just asking solo payers at the camp if they want to do leves and behest together, and we had lots of fun; as time passed we became more and more people, we decided to do it again the next day, and so on..and after a few days we founded our own LS. We invited some friends, etc.
I found my second (American) one by befriending someone here in the official forums, meeting him ingame, doing stuff together and by getting invited by him after a while.
My German LS was the third one, and I found it by just being in a beginner camp, the guild leader was searching for some German speaking newbies to torture..eh..help!..:)
The first one died after a while, but the American and German one are still very active, we do ingame stuff together but also discuss a lot, became friends outside of FFXIV,and so on.
You see - you just have to take your chances!
If you are in a group and have a lot of fun with a member, ask him about his LS, what it is like, how the people are, and if it's possible for you to join.
Read the LS recruitment pages in the forums, apply, but most importantly TALK to people ingame.
It's always the most direct and best way into a LS, because you get to know the people beforehand.
Don't complain about FFXIV being antisocial and players acting like NPCs in town when you are not willing to behave differently. Most players love to have a good chat with you as soon as you start a conversation. :D
..and conversations may lead to a LS recruitment xD
Depends on the LS, but most are very open about you doing whatever you want to do with different people.Quote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
But really, most are happy they are able to do it with their LS, because it's not easy to find enough people from different linkshells to do the content with and also because you know the people from your LS, because you played together with them before, so it's way easier to do hard content than with total strangers who may not know how to heal/tank/whatever properly:) -
10-30-2011, 10:55 PMPreypacerI think part of the reason is because of how unfinished the LS system is right now. You can't kick someone unless they're right in front of you, so if they're an idiot, you have to be able to track them down first and get them to stand still long enough to do it. Also, if they're offline, decided to quit, etc... you can't kick them at all. I was in one LS early on that had to reform 3 times within a couple weeks because of that. So I think that's definitely one reason why people are less willing to pick up a "random shouter in Uldah".Quote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
Also, I find that XIV's general community, overall, is a lot less social than XI's. People seem to stick to their LSs and don't talk much outside of that. It's like a collection of cliques, basically. You can run around Ul'dah and see spots with a bunch of people with the same tag up, all in their own little groups.
You used to see that in XI, too.. in L. Jeuno, etc... But you also saw a lot of public chatter as well, which I always found fun because it was often something pretty funny going on. Some kind of funny/ridiculous conversation, some players engaged in some kind of nutty antics (usually Tarus), etc. XIV's community doesn't seem to have quite gotten there. Hopefully it will.
It's awfully strange to be running through a city full of people and see no one talking, except for the odd shout for a party, a LS, etc.
That said... There's another thing I do when looking for a LS that I don't know why I forgot to include in my previous post.. Go to a forum's threads specific to a server or to their Recruitment section (many game-specific forums will have one) and read up which LSs are seeking, and what they're looking for. I'm noticing a lot of LSs are already limiting themselves to people who can fill specific needs for End Game, and still others have requirements of at least level 30 or something, so that helps filter out which ones I would want to join in the first place, or those I'd flat out not "qualify" for.
I find one that sounds interesting/promising, and then look for its leader, or designated officers in-game and talk to them. From there I can tell if it's a great fit - mutually - and I join, or I find it wouldn't be good at all and say "thanks but no thanks".
For example...
I was looking into one at one point where they emphasized being a 100% social LS, with no arbitrary restrictions on class, etc; that people would help out their lowbies with stuff, they'd arrange group xp sessions, etc. It was all about members helping other members enjoy the game.
When I caught up with that ad's poster, the LS leader, in-game and started talking to him, he informed me that I had to have at least a level 30 character to join. I'm like "Wait.. your post on the forums says "helping lowbies". He says "Well we mean helping current members level their lower level classes. You need to have at least one at level 30 to join". I said "Why is that?" He said "Because we want to be able to do higher level content together and lowbies don't help with that." I said "But you described the LS as being purely social with no arbitrary restrictions. Saying "you have to be level 30" is a pretty arbitrary restriction for a "100% Social LS". He responded, "We're not 100% social, we also do other stuff and for that stuff you need to be at least level 30. Those are the rules. I explain it on the forum post you read."
I informed him that I had the forum post up in front of me as we spoke, that he said nothing about a level 30 level requirement, that it was 100% Social and that he should update his post to more accurately reflect what he was actually looking for, because the post was misleading. A few moments goes by, and then he says "Whatever. There's no excuse not to be level 30 in a couple days in this game. If you can't get 30 in a couple days then you're just lazy and probably wouldn't contribute to the LS anyway. We don't need dead weight. Get level 30 and we'll see if my opinion changes. Latez".
I replied with "Wow that's a pretty harsh judgment to throw at someone you've spent all of 5 minutes talking to".
He didn't respond anymore.
I never did contact him again, even at level 30. Why? Well, thanks to that short conversation, he'd shown himself to be a judgmental ass who was clearly on a bit of a power-trip. No way I'd want to be in a LS with someone like that.
I did notice later that he updated the forum post to reflect the level 30 requirement, and changed 100% social to "very social".
So... the point of me telling that little story was to illustrate why it's beneficial to talk to people first.
On the other hand, the current LS I'm in I joined in the same manner, and couldn't be happier. Awesome people, laid back atmosphere, they don't exclude anyone (not clique-ish) and are just fun to be around. -
10-30-2011, 10:59 PMkanjitai
I'm sorry if I offended anyone with the topic of my thread. again I thank everyone for their tips. I'm going to try and be a little more social in game. which can be hard for me at times. hopefully changes come to the LS system soon. I'll also try posting in the world forums and see if I can find a LS.
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10-30-2011, 11:18 PMPreypacerI can't see anyone being offended by your post. It's a valid question, esp. for someone who isn't quite used to the community and such in XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
I wouldn't sweat it.
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10-30-2011, 11:52 PMVydarrTyr
Might consider checking out the forum for your server. Some ads in there for linkshells. You can try one of those.
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10-31-2011, 02:40 AMAleczanNo offense taken. You spoke the truth. You asked what you wondered about. You wanted information. Hope our answers were helpful and useful for you. And I also wish you good luck in finding a warm, welcoming LS.Quote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
Well, for my server, a lot of people would shout for stuff like EXP grind party, Spiritbond party, Instanced Raid party and Ifrit battle. There are so many people out there (at least on my server) who're willing to try a party with strangers. I'm just way too scared to expose myself that much because in the past, several douches I met during Behest or at EXP camps had ruined my days before. So I tend to stick with my little group of friends because I feel safer and don't have to be paranoid or stressful about what shit would hit the fan for me today LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by kanjitai
One thing I found that can happen for people who shout on regular basis for specific stuff, you get reputation. If the people who answer the shout like you, they're most likely going to jump in with you fast the next time. On the other hand, if you build up a hater-fanclub for some reason, words go around and people are less likely to join you. I used to see a specific player who would shout for party for hours each day. I notice that he had to shout for longer by days, and his party fills up slower and slower. Then someone pointed out that he seems to be pissing a lot of people off, so no one wanted to party with him.
As far as I've noticed about shout party, though, they're mostly successful (for recruiting party members). You might want to observe your server and your city to adjust your strategy. For my server people flock in Ul'dah, so most of the times any shout in Gridania or Limsa won't get as good response. -
10-31-2011, 06:51 AMkanjitai
I just hope as various systems are fixed people become more social. I know there aren't a lot of people playing XIV at this time but sometimes it feels like an offline game when no one talks.