Research Center should not be on Lvl 60 Roulette

As the title says, this dungeon should not be on the LvL 60 Roulette. Aside from the fact that out of the 5 dungeons that are available, this one shows up 7/10 roulette queues, and it is absolutely useless except to further the story. It should be placed in Main Scenario roulette since it runs like one and has NO drops. It's gotten so bad that I leave and take the 30 min hit every time I get it (even if I queue with a pre-made party).

On a side note, at what point are you going to change the age old routine of dungeons? They're all the same thing with new clothes on. Trash mobs, followed by lock out boss, over and over....

I wouldn't hate it so much if they added coffers with desynth/gc seals fodder and the once in a blue moon red scrip mats like the rest of em.

They said they are considering adding treasure coffers. If you are doing the roulette for the roulette bonus then it doesn't really matter which dungeon comes up, you're getting the tomestones either way.

This dungeon is the reason why I am not doing lvl 60 roulette anymore.

I thought it'd be neat if they made the old lore gear drop in the dungeon, their is a precedent of se doing similar with the darklight gear.

They are at least considering or maybe even planning on adding loot to this dungeon in 3.3. Also, what is so bad about it? It's pretty easy as long as you know how to do the last boss.

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Originally Posted by Elyl

On a side note, at what point are you going to change the age old routine of dungeons? They're all the same thing with new clothes on. Trash mobs, followed by lock out boss, over and over....

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Is this your first mmo? This is pretty standard for the most part. Nothing really wrong with it.

Gotta agree with many of the voices here about the exceptional frequency research center appears when selecting a lvl60 Roulette.

Like others have mentioned I've just quit doing the damn lvl60 Roulette as I receive nothing for me to turn in for seals, the duty usually doesn't complete because folks immediately leave. When you do Roulette's if this appeared 8 times out of 10 regularly since it was added, something is amiss.

For you rare blessed player that never have this experience.. I'm befuddled and jealous lol. I'd love to do this for tomes but when I'm stuck there with 2-3 people due to someone leaving and there are no fills, my normal nightly game time of 3-4hrs isn't worth wasting on this.

wow so much hate for this dungeon, i actually like it. And the music is the best

I like the dungeon, however it pops up far too often and with little reward compared to any of the other 60 dungeons.

This dungeon should only get selected, when at least one first timer is in the queue.

I'm jealous of you guys. I've ran level 60 roulette nightly and I've never once had it.

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Originally Posted by Tsilyi

Also, what is so bad about it?

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It is far too long and it pops way too often. When you get it 6/7 times per week it gets really annoying. Also reward is crap. No crafting mats, no armors for seal exchange, no minion. Only good thing about this dungeon is the music.

I don't get this at all... well different people different opinions. But seriously It's a lvl 60 dungeon so it's in the lvl 60 dungeon roulette, that makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

This Dungeon have unfair Sync. Neverreap + Fractal were realeased with Facility, only 10 itemlevel apart. But Facility have 180 sync and Never/Fractal have 210.
Make it 200 and this wont suck anymore.

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It's because fresh Lv60 players go to ARF before doing any tome grind, so it's reasonable to expect them in IL 150 gear. A tank at 150 would have trouble keeping order if DPS from roulette came in above 180.

Just needs a few drops added. It's not much longer then the other 2.

It is an important part of the MSQ so it should remain part of the 60 roulette's to help players clear it. I have no objection to increasing the incentive for players who have already cleared it doing it but in terms of being part of the roulette...regardless of how often pops up it should remain. It should pop up more often than the optional non-MSQ dungeons too just like any MSQ dungeon should.

Also if every dungeon only popped up when someone new was present or if only popped when liked by everyone in the group then most of the dungeons in this game would never pop up so I do not care for that idea as there will always be someone who dislikes any specific dungeon. I do not personally think it pops up too much and I don't see it pop up too often myself, some people might see it pop up more often than other people but that's more likely just bad luck on their part. Some people like it and some do not, sometimes will be a new player doing it as part of the MSQ and sometimes not but it should be treated no different to any other MSQ dungeon...though as said I have no objection to a slightly bigger incentive added to the place from the roulette.

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

This Dungeon have unfair Sync. Neverreap + Fractal were realeased with Facility, only 10 itemlevel apart. But Facility have 180 sync and Never/Fractal have 210. Make it 200...

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No.

But castrum takes far less time to complete generally than ARF!

I never see people running the Main Scenario Roulette. I don't run it myself because even with a tank, I never get any groups with it. And I think we have enough queues getting screwed up by mismatched group requirements, really don't need more.

And if it wasn't the 60 roulette, where would it be? The levelling roulette? People don't run those with level 60s unless they're desperate for tomes, and if they saw it there, then they'd do what people are doing now: drop out, eat the penalty, and requeue. And it would be far more devastating there because there are far less level 60s in the levelling queue.

And you know what? It gives more tomes than Neverreap and Aetherochemical, and I have far greater issues with Neverreap.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

This dungeon should only get selected, when at least one first timer is in the queue.

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This.

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Originally Posted by Ekimmak

And if it wasn't the 60 roulette, where would it be? The levelling roulette? People don't run those with level 60s unless they're desperate for tomes, and if they saw it there, then they'd do what people are doing now: drop out, eat the penalty, and requeue. And it would be far more devastating there because there are far less level 60s in the levelling queue.

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I'd like to add Gil into that little list of desperation. That's why I run Levelling as a 60 these days.

Even when it offered 100 Law, running it felt like a chore. Now it offers 50 esos and 10 lore, which I'm sure SE saw a decent tradeoff for 50 less "old" tomestones. For dungeon that offers nothing else to players in terms of gear or other craft fodder, it's just not enough to feel worthwhile. I'd be happier running it if it offered 120 esos and zero lore.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

I'm jealous of you guys. I've ran level 60 roulette nightly and I've never once had it.

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Lucky you.

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

I run Main Scenario Daylie. You have to consider if they would put 60 Stuff in there, that would mean it would reward esoteric tomestones. Im pretty sure people would do this.
And no, Castrum is not faster with all the stuff people do wrong there xD Its not even unusual to wipe castrum outside, which is pretty sad.

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It would be a perfect fit in the MS roulette. Level 60 players would get level 60 tomestones as well as poetics. Level 50-59 players would ensure the other 2 instances would still be run and get the usual rewards (exp + poetics).