Getting tired of waiting on DCs at the start of duties

Can you guys please fix it so that whenever someone DCs while loading into the duty, we aren't forced to stand there in the stupid ring, unable to move, waiting on it for 10 minutes? Happens all the time and it's really annoying. Sorry if this topic exists, I haven't seen it and I don't wanna use the search bar.

How would they even do it? and what if the said person is a crucial member for the said instance? then how will you proceed?

Didn't even think it was an issue that happened so many times it needed a fix... Happened maybe twice or thrice this year to me >_>

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Originally Posted by KikInperi

Happens all the time and it's really annoying. (...) I don't wanna use the search bar.

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You really have a very short patience buffer.

That was me in a recent Cutters Cry. Joined as drk and see 2 lv 60s one blm with the 230 relic and the other a geared Astro. I think to myself, "hmmm this looks like it'll be a really good run." Blm DC's. Astro stands there afk for 8 minutes or so then DC's as well.

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

How would they even do it? and what if the said person is a crucial member for the said instance? then how will you proceed?

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It depends on the dungeon. There have been many times where I have finished a dungeon without a "crucial member of the team." Have done a HM dungeon with no healer because he was being an ass and pulling for me, then decided to pout and not heal at all so we kicked him. Another time in Haukke Manor I tanked as a Monk from the begging to the end of the dungeon because our tank dc'd and we never got another one. Being stuck in the ring is excruciatingly annoying when you could at least do some of the dungeon while you wait for the person to finally connect.

There should just simply not be a 5-minute wait for the offline condition of dismissing a player. Or a vote even. Pick that option, game checks if they're actually offline, bam, done.

And this is coming from someone who's been dismissed due to router hookups and still think it's better overall than waiting at the start of a duty when there really shouldn't be a wait.

I have never really experienced this, had it happen in Shiva but other then that never actually seen it happen what OP is talking about.

You know I don't understand the reason for that ring's existance. On some primal fights it's great though - since there might be story before the fight starts, it gives people who want to enjoy a cutscene a chance to watch it.

However, the big issue is, that when someone DC's (red pokeballs), the game will consider them 'in cutscene' up until the point they either A) return and finish the cutscene (Without DC'ing completely / going offline) or B) Actually physically disconnect from the server (character is no longer connected.)

So the issue we're presented with, is how do we maintain the use of the first bit of it (making sure people can enjoy the opening cutscene before the dungeon starts) yet also add a safeguard for when someone DC's?

First of all, I want to suggest that the Duty Timer be given an addition of +5 mintues. As strange as it may sound, this is my suggestion to help alleviate part of the issue that comes about from these DC's - that htose who do it to get out of the dungeon before it even starts, also manage to make it so you have to *wait longer while they dc*.

Adding 5 mintues to the timer, and having it start the -instant- the first person loads in, will alleviate this. Because the current timer does not start until your -entire party- is loaded and you get the 'Duty commenced' screen. There aren't any opening cinematics that really go for 5+ minutes, so if someone's taking -that- long just to watch a cutscene, they're probably DC'd.

This also helps out in the fact that you don't lose the time it takes waiting on them DC'ing. You'll be able to kick them -sooner- and that helps the party recover -faster-.

Second, I want to suggest that there be a period within the start of the dungeon - the first 10 minutes - where kicks do not go against your Once-every-4-hour kick period. This is particularly because when someone DC's in the first 5 minutes, you basically know you're gonna have to kick them. That, or when you vote kick someone who's offline, have it not go against this.

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

Didn't even think it was an issue that happened so many times it needed a fix... Happened maybe twice or thrice this year to me >_>

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/shrug happens at least once a week to me. Thread was started after the third time in one day. I can only assume you do duties far less often than I do. Whether it happens to you often or not doesn't really matter to me... it doesn't need to happen at all. Dunno what the point of your comment is.

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

You really have a very short patience buffer.

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Yeah, and you're testing it with your pointless comment

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

How would they even do it?

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Get rid of the stupid ring altogether, or let you vote kick after 5 minutes per usual. The first option would be better.

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Originally Posted by JisKing98

and what if the said person is a crucial member for the said instance? then how will you proceed?

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You continue without them, if you can. If not, you wait til they get back. Most of the time time you can pull one group at a time without a tank/healer, and in trials you can be one person down and not even notice. What instance are you talking about where there's a crucial member? And why is standing around doing nothing a better alternative?

Some of us deal with instances that crash our games upon loading in and don't want to get autokicked because of it.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

Some of us deal with instances that crash our games upon loading in and don't want to get autokicked because of it.

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Don't want you auto kicked. Want the ring gone so we're able to do anything but stand around doing nothing for 10 min because of your shitty connection

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Originally Posted by KikInperi

Don't want you auto kicked. Want the ring gone so we're able to do anything but stand around doing nothing for 10 min because of your shitty connection

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Fair enough, I was referring to the autokick suggestions though. But my connection is fine, it's just certain duties. Although I agree they should lift the gate like void ark does

OP seems like very angry person.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

OP seems like very angry person.

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Oh, you. /blowkiss

I understand why the circle is there and thing is a ok idea...but yea, d/c persons should not be able to tie everyone else up. It would be a nice thing to fix.

It's happened to me enough over the 2 or so years that I notice that the circle stays stuck as long as their character is online but they are d/c. As soon as their character goes offline the circle rises. But yea, that can be minutes. And there is often little the d/c person can do about it as since their character is online still, they can't log back in. So the d/c person is stuck at the login screen with an error until the game decides they lost connection minutes later. All the while, the rest of the group is stuck in a circle... lol

Yea, hopefully it gets put on the list of quality of life fixes. All the it would take is the system to get a bit more sensitive to the "lost connection" situation... Because really, how often do you freeze up AND then suddenly get your connection back? If you are stuck for more than 10 seconds.... you are just gone and have to re-login most often. I think only one time in 2+ years I recovered from a 15 second "freeze" and I considered it a miracle... especially since I was doing a high gil craft.

I'd prefer they fix this:

http://puu.sh/oTUNg/87229a3cb6.png

Really, after 10 mintues it is clear a DC, so just auto log out.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

I'd prefer they fix this:

http://puu.sh/oTUNg/87229a3cb6.png

Really, after 10 mintues it is clear a DC, so just auto log out.

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So much this... Every time I crash it takes me about 5 mins to finally be able to log back in, that is annoying.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

I'd prefer they fix this:

http://puu.sh/oTUNg/87229a3cb6.png

Really, after 10 mintues it is clear a DC, so just auto log out.

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Ah yes, I forgot. This is also waht causes the long wait when a person DC in the beggining of a duty (Which is the OP problem). Fix this will also help those long waits.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

And there is often little the d/c person can do about it as since their character is online still, they can't log back in. So the d/c person is stuck at the login screen with an error until the game decides they lost connection minutes later. All the while, the rest of the group is stuck in a circle... lol

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Yeah, sometimes my game is fine, and then I get an instant 90k d/c. Then my character is still logged in for like, 5 BLOODY MINUTES while I am trying to log in, but can't because my character is still logged in, makes me so mad. I wish there was a "force logout" button on the login screen, so I can force my character to log out so I can log back in! Luckily I mostly run dungeons with my boyfriend who tells me when my character logs out, so I don't have to sit there spamming the login. (New Zealand internet ;-; )
Sometimes the instant d/c has my character logged in for so long, that it gets booted for inactivity.

In my honest opinion Dungeons shouldn't have to youse DF all dungeons should be opened use PF to make a party for that dungeon. Only ones that should use DF are trails and main sernario dungeons. Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

In my honest opinion Dungeons shouldn't have to youse DF all dungeons should be opened use PF to make a party for that dungeon. Only ones that should use DF are trails and main sernario dungeons. Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

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Are you saying dungeons should be party finder only? That would be the quickest way of making most early dungeons ghost towns.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

In my honest opinion Dungeons shouldn't have to youse DF all dungeons should be opened use PF to make a party for that dungeon. Only ones that should use DF are trails and main sernario dungeons. Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

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How would that stop someone from DC'ing? I use df all the time. It's convenient given you can queue up to 5 dungeons at one time. You can't do that in party finder.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

In my honest opinion Dungeons shouldn't have to youse DF all dungeons should be opened use PF to make a party for that dungeon. Only ones that should use DF are trails and main sernario dungeons. Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

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I am curious to know why you would use only PF and no DF anymore other then scenarios ???

What prompted this *silly* proposition of yours ?


NB: I want to see PF removed and for everything only DF available (ironical comment of course)

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

I'd prefer they fix this:

http://puu.sh/oTUNg/87229a3cb6.png

Really, after 10 mintues it is clear a DC, so just auto log out.

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Would also love if they fixed this, but still want the ring gone

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the feedback concerning disconnecting during instances! We'll look into this and see if we can make some changes to help alleviate this concern.

Thanks, Lux!

I'm not sure if others have noticed, but I have an insanely increased rate of DCíng with a 90001/2 error while in residential zones (and getting that dreadful "you're still logged in" error). I would even go so far as to say 90% of my DCs is in there, which would make sense, I guess, if I'd spend 90% of my time there, but.... I don't xD

Anyway, anyone else notice this, or am I alone? It just seems something in the residential zones makes my game prone to DC'ing.

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Originally Posted by Valenth

I'm not sure if others have noticed, but I have an insanely increased rate of DCíng with a 90001/2 error while in residential zones (and getting that dreadful "you're still logged in" error). I would even go so far as to say 90% of my DCs is in there, which would make sense, I guess, if I'd spend 90% of my time there, but.... I don't xD

Anyway, anyone else notice this, or am I alone? It just seems something in the residential zones makes my game prone to DC'ing.

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Been getting a ton of DC's as well. And now that TI mention it, it is usually while sitting inside residential areas... Though I notice higher lag inside duties too (last night was nasty!)

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Originally Posted by Luxpheras

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the feedback concerning disconnecting during instances! We'll look into this and see if we can make some changes to help alleviate this concern.

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if u want advice

kick the character when try to log back....when some1 dc when raiding...the 1 thing we hear on voice chat is "tell me when the game kicks me :( " ....force kicking when relogging would alleviate this issue....sometimes u have to wait and wait ...10 min and still not kicked? ugh....

in other games u can dc and relog so fast that some times others dont even notice it ....

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Been getting a ton of DC's as well. And now that TI mention it, it is usually while sitting inside residential areas... Though I notice higher lag inside duties too (last night was nasty!)

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Yes, since maintenance yesterday. I dc'd twice last night - once while rolling on items after the last boss of VA. My lag spikes were so bad it made the raid almost unplayable for me. I have had maybe 2 or 3 lag spikes total in the few months I've been back, with maybe 1 dc. Constant spikes and 2 dc's in one night is unheard of, for me anyway.

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Originally Posted by AutoWhit

Yes, since maintenance yesterday. I dc'd twice last night - once while rolling on items after the last boss of VA. My lag spikes were so bad it made the raid almost unplayable for me. I have had maybe 2 or 3 lag spikes total in the few months I've been back, with maybe 1 dc. Constant spikes and 2 dc's in one night is unheard of, for me anyway.

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I personally have had the Residential Zone DCs for a very long time now. Just asking if other have experienced it as well, or if I'm alone in this so I know it's my connection/modem and not the game (even though error 90002 would imply a client side thing, just wondering if some kind of graphics/item overload may cause me to DC in residential zones)

I haven't personally noticed any increased dates of DC in residential areas, but I have been getting a lot of lag spikes and DC wandering around Idyllshire and when I enter trials. Major drag...

I personally haven't been getting many disconnects, but I can imagine why this is annoying. I think maybe a 10-15 timer, and if the person still hasn't connected take down the shield.

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Originally Posted by Valenth

Anyway, anyone else notice this, or am I alone? It just seems something in the residential zones makes my game prone to DC'ing.

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I know a few people who have had this issue, and each time they have to close their game and refresh their RAM/restart their computer. One of my friends had it so bad that his game would kick him because he couldn't load up the interior of medium or large houses. I wonder if the prep for all the new housing changes has made residential areas that much more load-intensive?

Sorta Off topic, Early days of WoW I was booted from the server during a Gnomeragen instance. Gave me the similar error of still logged in please wait. On another attempted log in I bumped and clicked another character in my list and it logged it right away. So logged back out and tried to go back to my main and got the logged in error. For fun, I logged back in on an alt and searched for my character. He was still online, and I could even send my main tells from my alt. Was actually kinda funny. That lasted for 3 hours before I logged for the night. Next day, my main was logged out and I could play again (think he was stuck on the instance server til it timed out.)

As for on topic, I think they should look into the DC issues, but removing the ring would harm new players that want to enjoy the story. Or maybe check to make sure a cutscene person is actually progressing though the cutscene (instead of it being on hold til they log back in) and if it's hung up, remove the ring then

People dropping within the first 15min should have at least a 2hr lockout from DF.... So sick of this