So we have the Twelve...where are all their places of worship?
Might be interesting to have a Cleric (神官) class that have abilities that depends on which of the Twelve you worship and are born with.
Don't even start on what real life religions they base it on.
12, Worship, Clerics
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10-26-2011, 01:48 AMtymora12, Worship, Clerics
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10-26-2011, 01:50 AMAnonymoose
Most of the 12 are worshiped most centrally in the areas where they are attributed the guardian deity. This is especially true of Nald'thal, guardian deity of Ul'dah, who has shrines both in the city and in Thanalan.
Yes, each of these gods is also related to an existing deity in some fashion, usually a member of the Greek panthon, as FFXIV is based on ancient Greece. I'll avoid that.
Here, I'll stick to answering just your question of where are worshipped. Those without central worship areas may appear later in new areas, or maintain the genreral world-wide audience, as the ones that are left out don't have very specific areas of specialty that are associated with the cities.
Halone - Ishgard; associated with War
Menphina - Keepers of the Moon Miqo'te; moon deity associated with love.
Thaliak - Sharlayan; Associated with Wisdom
Nymeia - No centralized worship; associated with the heavens and fate (Worldwide worship?)
Llymlean - Limsa Lominsa; watcher of the sea.
Oschon - No centralized worship; watcher of mountains/nomads (Worldwide worship?)
Byregot - No centralized worship; the builder (I bet we'll see more of him after the cataclysm)
Rhalgr - Ala Mhigo; associated with destruction; Highlander Hyurs as well.
Azeyma - Seekers of the Sun Miqo'te; Sun deity associated with inquiry
Nald'thal - Ul'dah; associated with transactions and death
Nophica - Gridania; associated with nature and the harvest
Althyk - No central worship; associated with time and change. (Worldwide worship?)
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10-26-2011, 01:52 AMRemVye
I'm not touching this with a 10 foot pole.
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10-26-2011, 02:11 AMAlkoun
/microwave popcorn
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10-26-2011, 02:20 AMAnonymoose
Edited. Enjoy ^^
Any questions?
EDIT: A clerical class would be pretty interesting; it would be something to bring into SUMMONER, in my opinion. If our musing about the Primals (Old Gods) and Twelve (New Gods) having a relation even via the Paragons/Archons - perhaps the summoning of the primals with a SMN class is actually borrowing the powers of the gods themselves.
Visiting the places of worship and earning the right (a la FFX) sounds pretty fun. -
10-26-2011, 02:46 AMAlerithToss me some of that when it's done. This is gonna be quite an interesting thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkoun
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10-26-2011, 02:56 AMAlkoun
Wait... Ancient Greece? Can you elaborate more on that relationship?
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10-26-2011, 03:02 AMNanaya
I actually would like to see more emphasis and impact about the guardian deities, rather than just kind of an interesting little piece of information about our characters.
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10-26-2011, 03:04 AMNakiamiieIt would actually be a really nice idea for a new DoM class. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tymora
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10-26-2011, 03:08 AMAnonymooseBefore FFXIV went live, there was a lot of coverage and excitement that gave the developers a lot of opportunities to flaunt information. One of such was the FFXIV Prelive Report; a panel held in Tokyo that gave a lot of great information about the game's origins. You can read the whole thing here, but I'll highlight the parts you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkoun
* Eorzea contains several independently governed city-states, like those found in ancient Greece.
* And just like those in Greece, the ones in Eorzea have a long history of war and alliances
* However, the powerful and aggressive Garlean Empire has begun their slow advance on the city-states, making the current situation in Eorzea similar to the months before the Persian Empire marched on Greece. -
10-26-2011, 03:16 AMFiosha_Maureiba
Thank you Anonymoose. Has been a pleasurable read.
@Tymora: I never realized there weren't clergy around ~ I mean, dedicated places of worship, say maybe short of the thaumaturgists in Ul'dah for Nald'thal. -
10-26-2011, 03:21 AMAnonymoose
/bow.
I get what you mean, though - The people in our city-states aren't very zealous, aside from the death and sin worshiping THMs. The Limsans invoke the Navigator on the seas, but the Gridanians are pretty distracted with the elementals, woodsin, sylphs, and invading imperials. I haven't heard them mention much Nophica.
I'm willing to bet we'll hear a lot more of it after the Dalamud Incident comes to fruition. First of all, Ishgard has an Archbishop in charge and people tend to get a little more zealous about their faith after a tragedy. -
10-26-2011, 03:43 AMAndrienHere I filled in some of the blanks for you. Two to be exact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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10-26-2011, 03:45 AMAnswaI actually have heard them mention Nophica a bunch of times in Gridania. Especially for my CNJ quests.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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10-26-2011, 03:49 AMArcell
I was actually thinking about this the other day. In Eorzea it seems the twelve aren't really an extension of any religion, it's kind of just an accepted belief throughout the entire continent. So it's less of a religion and more of the culture of Eorzea, it's just widely accepted that the twelve are real and are their gods. If I'm not mistaken even the Garleans have no issue with the twelve, only the Primals.
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10-26-2011, 03:56 AMAnonymooseThat's a place I forgot to check! Thanks. It actually filled in more holes than just those two. One sec; updating list.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrien
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10-26-2011, 04:36 AMFiosha_Maureiba
Azeyma is the deity for the Sun? Aw man, I picked Nymeia, because I thought celestial bodies was the closest thing to stars. ^_^
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10-26-2011, 04:46 AMAlerith
So....Ul'dhans are Spartans.
Got it.
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10-26-2011, 04:52 AMWynn
What do you think THMs are? They got two temples in Ul'dah.
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10-26-2011, 06:44 AMAnonymooseThe THMs have built separate shrines to both Nald and Thal, but these two entities are together as one in the deity Nald'thal (overseers of Commerce and The Underworld). I'm not sure if there's much lore about the twins as separate entities yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
In order to understand Thaumaturge worship, you kinda have to be up on your Greek mythology as pertains to the constellations. Gemini is a singular entity made of the twins Castor and Pollux (one being a mortal and the other the son of the god Zeus) - after being cheated on a business deal (COMMERCE), Castor and Pollux stole the cattle of those who cheated them and Castor was killed. Pollux petitioned Zeus to let Castor share his immortality - and Zeus granted it on the condition that as Gemini, they would travel between Mount Olympus and The UNDERWORLD on alternating days. (Explaining the stars' movements across the sky.) -
10-26-2011, 07:06 AMKirohActually they do go quite into depth about Nald and Thal as individual deities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
Nald being the god of birth, life and light is worshiped by the followers of the Milvaneth Sacrarium in Ul'dah. The Sacrarium however is extremely particular about who they allow into their ranks and has not opened their doors to new devotees in quite some time. His shrine in the desert wastelands is known as Nald's Reflection, and he is associated with the Astral Element.
Thal is the god of darkness and death, worshiped by the followers of the Arzzaneth Ossuary. Their inductees are known as the Thaumaturges, and they practice a form of sorcery based around the worship of blood as a life force and spiritual medium. The Thaumaturges of the Ossuary are responsible for, among many things, the preparation and internment of the dead within the city's walls, including burial rights (for a fee of course). They are also tasked with carrying out the last will and testament of the recently deceased. His shrine in the desert wastelands is known as Thal's Respite, and he is associated with the Umbral Element. -
10-26-2011, 07:30 AMAnonymooseThanks very much for that! I'm pretty far from my lore compendium until tonight and am working off memory here. You're absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
At least it brings a little perspective to the unrealistic nature THM as WHM argument. While they may deal with life and death, the THMs in this game are exclusively of the latter nature. I forgot about the Nald sect being isolated and disinclusionist of the THMs we're familiar with. -
10-26-2011, 08:26 AMWynn
Both sects are THMs, they split off from one another due to irreconcilable differences. This is covered not only in information in game but also briefly in the storyline.
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10-26-2011, 09:02 AMKirohLife and death have irreconcilable differences....Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
And I've never seen any reference to the Sacrarium's disciples as Thaumaturges, so forgive me if they are.
Still, as far as I know my breakdown of the two branches and the gods they worship are otherwise accurate. -
10-26-2011, 09:03 AMWynnYes, your information is completely accurate. They are just two different sects of Thaumaturges. THMs don't have astral abilities for no reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiroh
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10-26-2011, 10:28 AMCoglin
The way I see it, the way the gods are set up, we could have clerics (priest type), shaman (spirit worshipers), and druids (tree hugging nature worshipers). Thats just my opinion of one way it could work in the games favor as well as have new class options.
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10-26-2011, 11:58 AMTsukinoAlthough 神官 is similar to a cleric in meaning, battle classes in Japanese are all named after what you wield + 士. For fighters (DoW) what they wield just their weapon, and for sorcerers (DoM) it's their school of magic, and all of both currently include "術."Quote:
Originally Posted by tymora
Thus such a class might be named something like 聖術士 or 神術士, though both of those sound kind of odd because they're non-words (then again so are 闘術士 and 斧術士). They could get creative/metaphorical and use other things too, like 教 (teaching) or 明 (clarity), or if they want more crazy conspiracies about "Chinese," 灼 (miraculous).
Edit: 法術士 might work too. It kind of sounds a bit like a lawyer in modern Japanese, but 法術 is sometimes used to mean a type of magic too, and it would be like following the "way" or "law" of a deity.