Time Travel and you

I couldn't find a previous topic on this, but I've noticed a lot of other players talking about 1.0 and those days when Coerthas didn't look like a wasteland.

What do you think the chances are the S-E team will create some 1.21 Gigawatt Magitek machines and we find ourselves going back to the past for some such or another?

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Originally Posted by MaikoRaines

I couldn't find a previous topic on this, but I've noticed a lot of other players talking about 1.0 and those days when Coerthas didn't look like a wasteland.

What do you think the chances are the S-E team will create some 1.21 Gigawatt Magitek machines and we find ourselves going back to the past for some such or another?

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Could be a journey in the mind sort of thing through echo. Otherwise time traveling as a plot point can get incredibly convoluted and tricky to work with.

I hope not, time travel just makes things ... complicated. Although can and do have the ability to see into the past of others.

I think in 1.0 it was more evident that we can "play" a more active role in a person's flashback, but nothing could be done to change the past, I think. So something like that could be fine.

I'd say that any "time travel" would be through just experiencing the past through the echo in a playable fashion, and not likely to see any magitek or machine based stuff...

But I'm not sure I can say that we wouldn't anymore, since apparently the Alexander story has dealings with time manipulation (though I'm not particularly familiar with it yet, so it might be magic based time shenanigans instead of machine craziness going on).

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Originally Posted by Berethos

But I'm not sure I can say that we wouldn't anymore, since apparently the Alexander story has dealings with time manipulation (though I'm not particularly familiar with it yet, so it might be magic based time shenanigans instead of machine craziness going on).

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Well, it was introduced right at the end of the Midas storyline, so we'll probably get more information in 3.4. For now, it seems only localized to within Alexander, not outside of him, and its not really going anywhere just yet (they just got the last Codex piece and are starting their evil plan right now)

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Well, it was introduced right at the end of the Midas storyline, so we'll probably get more information in 3.4. For now, it seems only localized to within Alexander, not outside of him, and its not really going anywhere just yet (they just got the last Codex piece and are starting their evil plan right now)

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I won't be surprised if we end up getting suck into a portal of the past. Something will blow up (caused by us) and then past/future things.

Still horribly upset they destroyed one of the most beautiful zones in v1 to make a generic snow zone.


For those who don't know what it looked like.

http://i.imgur.com/l5yDpfm.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/fm6dYkG.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/yLbHSul.jpg

The thing is though, if time travel was hypothetically added in a future expansion where the player physically travels into the pre-Calamity past, it will not be the 1.0 zones the player travels to, but a 'past' version of the ARR zones - how many players realize that most of the ARR zones actually retcon 1.0's maps? For instance, Gridania and the Black Shroud are an example of this, certain landmarks and sections of the map have been completely changed to locate these features in totally different places to where they were in 1.0, without any real explanation as to why (i.e., the CNJ's Guild was actually in the far north-west corner of Gridania instead it's now located where the aetheryte plaza in 1.0 was, Lifemend Stump is now on the completely opposite side of Gridania to where it was in 1.0, the now partially buried Gelmorran Ruins were located in the far northern most point of the North Shroud, now they're close to Fallgourd Float (which was not a village in 1.0 but just an 'aetherial gate') even that abandoned airship dock in the South Shroud, was actually in the North Shroud in 1.0. You see my point? Even Coerthas might not escape this - "don't you know? It has always snowed in Coerthas."

At the very least these changes would be reflected in the maps in any potential time-travel excursion in a future expansion, thus invalidating the main reason players seem to have to want to go to the pre-Calamity Eorzea in the first place (to relive the 1.0 areas). It's time to face reality, 1.0 is gone and is never coming back.

Personally, I just think SE are going to stick to the Echo to show the past in the game, as a Wings of the Goddess-style expansion featuring actual time-travel would not really work here I'm afraid.

I was actually under the impression that the shift of the land during and immediately following the Calamity extended to more than just significant weather changes - namely that the incredible amounts of aether in play and, to some degree, the actions of Louisoix as the primal Phoenix led to the land being both healed (though not entirely, obviously) and changed in unexpected ways. Like parts of the Shroud or Gridania were restored but essentially misplaced as part of the process.

It would be incredibly sweet if they did just throw us back to pre-calamity days. Oh to walk through those zones again with the graphics of today would make my nostalgias tingle so hard.

The only issue would be finding out how to create the zones since they were so immense before, but then again the could technically do it since some areas had bottle necks, like traveling from central to any other part of coerthas, mor dhona and thanalan had narrow passages they could easily make zone gates. The only problem I think they would have doing so it the maze that was the shroud. All it was were tunnels basically and it took ages to traverse compared to other zones which would make some players extremely upset and likely loud about it. But it would still be oh so wonderful

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Even Coerthas might not escape this - "don't you know? It has always snowed in Coerthas."

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Several NPCs mention that the snow was brought about by the calamity though. While I agree with your point past versions would be based on ARR zones, I think the aesthetics would be at least brought back to the original states. Plus it would be a good excuse to implement the original zone themes...

Either way, Time travel is such a common theme of Final Fantasy that the first game's story was about ending a time loop by going back 2000 years in the Temple of Fiends to defeat Garland a second time in the form of Chaos. III featured frozen time, VIII was all about Ultimecia manipulating the events of the past to compress all time with Squall and Co. needing to go to the future... IX had pseudo-time travel in that Memoria was a projection of the planets memories, and the party had to view those while fighting to Kuja... Then there's XIII-2 and XIII-LR.... And of course.... XI and the Shadow Reign period.

I do hope if we have some sort of time travel expansion/raid/whatever it's more in line with what Memoria was - Hydaelyn's memories that we're viewing for whatever reason. It would both be a callback to FF9 (which is one of my favorites in the series) plus it would actually fit in the story - us using the Echo to see the memories.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

It would still be oh so wonderful

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Yeah sometimes I find myself missing 1.0 maps, I spent so much times in Coerthas doing botany & listening to the music. So I was definitely sad when SE decided to make Coerthas the snowy area considering how beautiful it was in 1.0. Also I loved the sense of danger each zone had, where it actually felt like a big dangerous world.

But sadly I highly doubt SE will ever let us truly "go back in time" and see it again, & like others have said when we do see it it will probably just be in the Echo.

We still have at least a couple opportunities to bring out other possibilities for Coerthas. I just hope at least one of those manages to give the same great stuff that the original did.

I do remember travelling to Coerthas way back in the day as a lowbie. Avoiding strong monsters and checking out the scenery was both dangerous and amazing.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

We still have at least a couple opportunities to bring out other possibilities for Coerthas. I just hope at least one of those manages to give the same great stuff that the original did.

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Canonically, Eastern Coerthas shouldn't be as snow covered as the rest of it. When we visit the Howling Eye aboard the Enterprise, we visit an area very similar to 1.0's Coerthas. At least, this is what I tell myself whenever I hear "Unspoken" crop up on my playlist...

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Originally Posted by Rocl

Canonically, Eastern Coerthas shouldn't be as snow covered as the rest of it. When we visit the Howling Eye aboard the Enterprise, we visit an area very similar to 1.0's Coerthas. At least, this is what I tell myself whenever I hear "Unspoken" crop up on my playlist...

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Exactly the same here... I'm just really sad that the same hope doesn't exist for the misty west-by-southwestern river areas of the Shroud as well... since they went and turned them into barren crags, with little chance or reason at this point to retcon that choice. (To be clear, I don't mind the crags, I just wish they hadn't assigned to them the name of some of my favorite areas with zero connection to its former incarnation, e.g. Sorrel Havens.) We might one day end up with a revised and even improved Turning Leaf, though... Or, so I will dream.