So... Where exactly are HP recovery reductions meant to be used?

Miasma, storm's eye and dancing edge reduce hp recovery... But not in pvp. Where exactly in pve is there a monster that heals itself?... I can think of about 2 instances where this happens and in neither instance does having this ability make a noticeable difference, that one guildhest and the last boss of lost city hard. Why not just remove the hp recovery reduction altogether? If it's not going to work in pvp there's no point in it existing. Why not just make one ilm punch not work in pvp while you're at it? Let's make that even more useless too! Yay for removing haukke bosses stoneskin...

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Miasma, storm's eye and dancing edge reduce hp recovery... But not in pvp. Where exactly in pve is there a monster that heals itself?... I can think of about 2 instances where this happens and in neither instance does having this ability make a noticeable difference, that one guildhest and the last boss of lost city hard. Why not just remove the hp recovery reduction altogether? If it's not going to work in pvp there's no point in it existing. Why not just make one ilm punch not work in pvp while you're at it? Let's make that even more useless too! Yay for removing haukke bosses stoneskin...

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It works on all heals, not just self heals. Just throwing that out there.

Lost City HM is about the only relevant content you'll see it affect, and the advantages even there are minimal to unnoticeable. If I recall correctly Storm's Eye used to be a 50% reduction, at which point it was actually pretty decent in... some FATE I can no longer remember, or versus silly open world mobs that would attempt to self-heal for a third of their health.

Doesn't miasma's malady still reduce healing? I don't remember seeing that changed. There's a number of enemies that heal and get healed though it's not like I've ever tested if it actually reduces the healing in those cases or if that portion of the slashing debuff moves is ignored ( like, I'm pretty sure the a5s boss can get a regen from the green elixir, but no idea if you can actually reduce the amount). I admit that I am a little sad that they removed that bit from pvp for war and nin but on the other hand they both get the benefit of more damage on that debuffed target and there's still misama for the heal debuff.

Those life crushing questions,
Why is morale even existing?
Why does pvp materia even exist?
We'll never know.

Equipped PVP materia enhances your sundrop dance in PVP instances.

I'm face palming that you guys didn't know this. Bunch of scrubs...

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Originally Posted by JazzofEtro

Equipped PVP materia enhances your sundrop dance in PVP instances.

I'm face palming that you guys didn't know this. Bunch of scrubs...

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Yea cuz a good pvper uses sundrop over mandervilledance with a heavenscracker up lolololol git gud.

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Originally Posted by Cherub

Yea cuz a good pvper uses sundrop over mandervilledance with a heavenscracker up lolololol git gud.

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Damn... That's some serious PVP.

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Originally Posted by Jamillion

It works on all heals, not just self heals. Just throwing that out there.

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It only affects healing magic. To my knowledge, it has no affect on abilities, which includes all forms of self healing, tetra, lustrate and essential dignity.

Which kind of leaves the quesiton on what they wanted to address with the change. It takes away from the weakness of specific healers, but more important, something that a ninja had over their peers.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

It only affects healing magic. To my knowledge, it has no affect on abilities, which includes all forms of self healing, tetra, lustrate and essential dignity.

Which kind of leaves the quesiton on what they wanted to address with the change. It takes away from the weakness of specific healers, but more important, something that a ninja had over their peers.

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Yep, I stand corrected. Makes sense now that I think about it, defiance and other skills work similarly.

RIP Warriors. Only good for burst now every 2 minutes.

HP recovery reductions are meant to be used in the same place PVP materias are.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

HP recovery reductions are meant to be used in the same place PVP materias are.

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In other words, they're meant to be used in places that have them disabled.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

In other words, they're meant to be used in places that have them disabled.

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Yes that's the joke lol. Just like PVP materias, HP recovery reductions were deemed to be mistakes by SE and should not even exist. So just like PVP materias HP recovery reductions are meant to be used nowhere now.

Huh? Where are you guys getting that they dont work? Unless Im wrong they do what they say they do and reduce healing "magic" by 20% Even if its just heals cast by healers, that's hardly useless. But if Im wrong about that please let me know so I can stop wasting gcd's on miasma 2.

In pve I think it did make garuda die a little faster, cant really confirm that tho. Like most forms of CC it got pushed into irrelevency later on in ARR and HW.

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Originally Posted by Enlial

Huh? Where are you guys getting that they dont work? Unless Im wrong they do what they say they do and reduce healing "magic" by 20% Even if its just heals cast by healers, that's hardly useless. But if Im wrong about that please let me know so I can stop wasting gcd's on miasma 2.

In pve I think it did make garuda die a little faster, cant really confirm that tho. Like most forms of CC it got pushed into irrelevency later on in ARR and HW.

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The effect right now applies but it will be patched and removed. NIN and WAR will not be able to apply the healing down anymore. Arcanist still will be able to do that. Unless the patch brings more nerfs than just what was told to us.

How about we get rid of enliven, roll Thrill of War into Thrill of Battle (for pvp), and give Wars a PVP HP reduction skill?