Can we get swimming?

I was much play WoW. Much fun characters can swimming in lake/sea.
Also mounts can swim.

Then I started playing first FFXIV (I'm now 3month played in FFXIV). I feel weird they can't swimming...
Plus I can't run over from little river. If I wanted "skip" from annoying place like faster.

I hoped FFXIV future characters can use swimming. (also mounts)
Resaon we have already swimsuits in game.

Sorry if little bad English.

They've sort of talked about swimming in the future, though not very definitively. It might happen in 4.0, but it might not. Even if it does, I'm not sure whether or not that means it will be a retroactive change (making swimming possible in all 2.0 and 3.0 areas) or if it would be exclusively for 4.0 areas like flying is for 3.0 areas.

It would require a good deal of work, and I feel like if they do it at all it should apply to all bodies of water (so the invisible walls we have at shorelines would need to move back a lot). I'd also urge them not to try messing with underwater combat too heavily if at all because it's usually so bad, though maybe that's just my experience with GW2...

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Originally Posted by Nutz

They've sort of talked about swimming in the future, though not very definitively. It might happen in 4.0, but it might not. Even if it does, I'm not sure whether or not that means it will be a retroactive change (making swimming possible in all 2.0 and 3.0 areas) or if it would be exclusively for 4.0 areas like flying is for 3.0 areas.

It would require a good deal of work, and I feel like if they do it at all it should apply to all bodies of water (so the invisible walls we have at shorelines would need to move back a lot). I'd also urge them not to try messing with underwater combat too heavily if at all because it's usually so bad, though maybe that's just my experience with GW2...

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I doubt it would be retroactive. Just like flying, 2.0 maps weren't desisgned with these features in mind. Going oob in few 2.0 maps clearly show it.

Yes please.

I always thought it was a very poor design decision to cut out swimming in any form, let alone underwater combat. Sure it might have saved them some time in the beginning, but by now it just seems so ugly and lazy, and it really limits the design and gameplay potential of the zones. Even if all we could do was swim across the surface of rivers and lakes, it would be a huge improvement.

I just want to be able to swim in Costa Del Sol for reasons..... Not too motivated to do underwater questing/combat though. Bad memories from a certain other MMO.

I really enjoyed underwater questing in wow, they did a great job at pulling it off imo, very smooth.
Rift swimming was much more clunky and awkward to control ones character/surfacing etc which took away the enjoyment of it.

FFXIV did a superb job in the execution and implementation of flying, I hope they do just as well with swimming one day.

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If it comes with underwater combat, no thank you. Melee combat in 3D space is a nightmare to deal with. The only people I've met in WoW that actually liked questing in Vashj'ir played ranged classes. Everyone else couldn't stand it, me included. I still wake up in cold sweats remembering how horrible the experience was as a Rogue and I'd rather not see the same thing repeated in FFXIV unless SE does an absolute tits job of making the combat spectacular. This game already has issues with minor differences in elevation so they're going to have their work cut out for them if that's something they want to implement.

I agree that underwater combat is horrible, but please bring swimming, it's so weird to not have it.

As to it being exclusive to the 4.0 areas as flying is to the 3.0 areas, i do hope they do something like WoW did, some expantion\patch that brings flying (and swimming in this case) to old areas

I'm not really a big fan of underwater combat or swimming. Driving around a fast submersible (emphasis on 'fast') would be ok though.

Much in the same way that we can fly but don't fight in mid air, we could have swimming while only fighting on the bottom of the water. I would be happy just being able to paddle around in Costa Del Sol though, seems such a shame not to be able to enjoy that lovely water.

Swimming would be nice, despite the bad memories of Vasjh'ir in WoW as melee, though I didn't much like it either as ranged (yay herb farming). If underwater combat were as smooth as it was in GW2 though, I could get behind that.

Then again, what's an underwater level or zone if it isn't frustrating in some form? :P

Having more options is always cool, but I think swimming should be optional.

I mean, you can implement it and stuff, but just make it for optional quests, exploring and stuff.
I wouldn't like to raid underwater swimming. In WoW it sucked and I always tried to avoid these zones.


It's ok if they put it so we can swim on the beach, rivers, lakes etc... but IMO it would kill immersion (jokes aside) if they implement it for raids and underwater fights.

I'd love to be able to swim, even if it's only for the sole reason of wanting to dive into the sea at the costa del sol beach (damn you invisible wall for not allowing me to!)

In my opinion a retroactive update could work, it would just REQUIRE work on their part..

Flying is simple enough, they just need to patch up the out-of-bounds areas and put a back to some things on the edge that im assuming are completely flat/textureless. And they could actually get away with the aether currents too. Their entire reason for aether currents in heavensward was so people would first explore the land on foot.. Because they didnt want their work to go to waste. Solution to this, is to leave flying as an unlock in the heavensward area as it is. By that time we will have already explored everything in realm reborn on foot. They could even get away with a lack of aether currents lore-wise by saying that the realm reborn areas are much more abundant in aether, so you dont need to attune to currents.

As for the swimming it would be a little tricker to implement, but it would COMPLETELY break immersion if we could swim in new areas, but we find a river in a realm reborn area, and suddenly our characters forget how to swim >.> They would have to explain that like they did the aether currents, but i doubt they could make it make sense..

I only say I want swimming because to me that would also be an indication of Blitzball being added like they mentioned at one point. Also swimming combat I can't see it being to bad unless its treated like flying and for some lore reason we have to stand on the actual ground to fight thus removing any real difference.

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Originally Posted by KaijinRhada

Swimming would be nice, despite the bad memories of Vasjh'ir in WoW as melee, though I didn't much like it either as ranged (yay herb farming). If underwater combat were as smooth as it was in GW2 though, I could get behind that.

Then again, what's an underwater level or zone if it isn't frustrating in some form? :P

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Haha! I don't mean like about Vasjh'ir. I mean only for "normal" like we can little swim in deep.

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

Much in the same way that we can fly but don't fight in mid air, we could have swimming while only fighting on the bottom of the water. I would be happy just being able to paddle around in Costa Del Sol though, seems such a shame not to be able to enjoy that lovely water.

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Yeah, But FFXIV's old world (1-50lvl) still not flying. It's why I wanted run over water.

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Originally Posted by Cinno

that im assuming are completely flat/textureless.

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There are a lot of texture-less things. Though i am no programmer, just a humble network admin that hates programming in all areas, i would think this would not be a small undertaking. Pretty much if the world boundry or your line of sight makes it impossible to see behind something, it most likely will not have a texture. As far as the boundaries near costa and such like beach areas, those could be moved back a medium amount to allow swimming and the textures would be fine. They don't start the textureless areas until well past the boundaries. Even those ships well out at sea in costa are fully textured.

Going forward if I was part of the development team, i would say all areas should be fully able to be traversed and implement something like fatigue. That way you can explorer every nook and cranny to your hearts content (i love exploring edges of maps) and not feel bound by those solid areas on the maps.

I'd like swimming. I really like it in GW2. I don't expect new abilities (at least not many), but it would be a nice change of pace and would (hopefully) lead to a new way of designing dungeons.

mmh id like to be able to swim , though im not sure about underwater combat , imo it would look a bit unnatural with the current animations , unles we get some new skills for underwater , like shooting with a harpoon XD , oh underwater harpoon fishing XD

Because everyone will sink to the bottom like a rock in full equips.

Swimming would be nice. I think it'd be a nice feature, and doable as well. Perhaps not underwater, but one could easily implement a swimming animation whenever a player entered a certain amount of water, and I think this would work across all of the zones.

I'd be all for swimming on the surface, and sailing as new features, but nothing underwater.

Wow doesn't have invisible walls/loading screens everywhere, Thats the main reason why are not going to have it (soon)

If you only allow it at places where there's a slow entrance to the water (no jumping off cliffs) i think it should be possible, that doesn't leave too many places, it doesn't feel weird not to be able to just swim over some rivers in the arr zones because most of them look like you couldn't even get out there, and we could still swim in costa de sol. I'd be completely fine with no diving being available though.

I'm for water mounts (from a raft to dolphin)

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Originally Posted by Felis

I'm for water mounts (from a raft to dolphin)

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The thing about that is that you'd have a bunch of people saying that X mount needs to be able to swim not too

Surface swimming might be nice. I think if they tried adding underwater swimming, though, it would take over too much of the game. They'd need to add enough underwater content to justify the feature, and I'm afraid we'd end up with a whole expansion that takes place mostly underwater. My main is a cat-man, not a merman. I don't want to spend a whole expansion cycle underwater. Swimming is only good if it can remain a minor feature that doesn't become a focal point, and I think if it's limited to the surface only, they have a better chance of getting that balance right.

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Originally Posted by Cinno

Flying is simple enough, they just need to patch up the out-of-bounds areas and put a back to some things on the edge that im assuming are completely flat/textureless.

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It would be a lot of work to go back and add flying. Since everything is seen from a ground perspective there was no need to complete artwork to have things like roofs on buildings, backs of buildings or tops on mountains. You also have to make those areas are solid in the event someone wants to land on it. Even now I find outcrop tops where SE missed making them solid so my character ends up clipping and can't land there. I think SE's efforts are better applied to adding features to newer areas and content than trying to retrofit new mechanics to the older areas.

As to the subject of swimming I am on the fence. Even if they don't provide 3 dimensional swimming I would at least like to be able to cross water where I want so maybe swimming and boat mounts.