Exactly what the title states. How do you feel about the walls being removed? Personally, it bothers me that they were removed. I feel like LoS (and lack thereof) is a huge thing in PvP, and I enjoyed that the extra walls forced players to be a bit more strategic when meeting up in the middle, chasing players down, or CC-locking someone. Now that it's super open, you would have to be silly to hang out in the middle (unless you feel like just being an open target for ranged classes). I quite enjoyed binding healers behind a wall in an effort to burst down someone they could not see, for example.
Note: not all walls were removed, just the surrounding walls in the very middle of the arena (the area that surrounded the adrenaline buff).
How do you feel about the walls being removed in The Feast?
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03-30-2016, 01:02 PMRyukoHow do you feel about the walls being removed in The Feast?
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03-30-2016, 03:05 PMDimitrii
They should not have been removed. Players need to learn how not to LoS their healers when they are being focused so if that's a reason why they were removed it was a dumb reason to. I agree it did provide an element of strategy to the fights and has only watered down gameplay from that perspective. BLMs should be ecstatic though I guess in a sense. I do not like these extra offense crates either. These changes combined with the heavy medal mechanics changes from the patch before this makes it feel like they are trying to steer the mode away from actual player skill in dictating which team wins the matches.
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03-30-2016, 03:54 PMShurrikhan
I feel like it gives further advantage to ranged and especially casters after they just got a slight overkill of a buff by way of 15% HP and up only interrupts... Dodging about walls while attacking was one of the really fun things about being a hunted melee/tank, but it was far from being something any good enemy couldn't compensate for, as long as they were willing to move and take risks of proximity that are inherent, still to a greater degree, to playing a non-ranged.
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03-30-2016, 04:29 PMShaluaLie
there are still the outer walls. now u jus need to learn now when to pull out and dash behind the outer walls hnnng!
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03-30-2016, 06:31 PMPetiteIt feels like I've walked in a house as their owners are preparing to move away. Things are missing and it feels empty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryuko
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03-30-2016, 06:50 PMShaluaLie
they coulda brought the outer walls in a bit closer if anything.
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03-30-2016, 08:16 PMAlereRaeder
I don't like it, the layout is basically wolves den, so it's stale
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03-30-2016, 09:02 PMCynric
They should have kept them in.
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03-30-2016, 09:48 PMJazzofEtro
Love it... Love it, lovit loveeetttt! :P
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03-30-2016, 10:53 PMJubez187
It's very boring. I don't know why every single patch so far has been "HEALERS AND CASTERS NEED PERFECT CONDITIONS ALWAYS. NOTHING BAD MUST NOT EVER HAPPEN TO THEM!" I don't know, I'm probably in the minority but I just want the vanilla version back. This version is just absolute chaos with the nonstop LB, no more def buff, heavy medal stacks are awarded way too easily and give way too much vuln.
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03-30-2016, 11:35 PMKoltik
Don't like it. Feels empty. Can't strategically LoS the BLM or SMN who is trying to push your face in as a melee.
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03-31-2016, 12:09 AMCynricI don't think they know how to encourage competitive PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koltik
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03-31-2016, 12:25 AMIsalaLet's go with that instead, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cynric
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03-31-2016, 12:27 AMCynricHaha that's terrible. Can't say it doesn't feel true though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isala
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03-31-2016, 02:52 AMElfidan
I like the walls, because they add an element of skill and strategy. If anything i would like to see more cool environmental change in feast. how about some raising and lowering platform action yeah?
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03-31-2016, 02:54 AMVaeria
Is like..WD after an earthquake now..same setup..da walls just have cracks in em now. Happy day for bursty brds and blms. Makes it easier to chase (or run from). Keep in mind new maps inc..so we get the dummied version now.
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03-31-2016, 03:59 AMMillen1
I am mixed on the walls, playing whm there are less LoS issues with healing. Though with the walls up I got slept far less. Will try it some more on whm or sch when the eso farming in feast slows down.
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03-31-2016, 08:11 AMRyuko
I'm glad many of you agree... but I wanted to point out... Although taking away the walls makes it more 'open' for casters and ranged to attack you (without being interrupted from lack of LoS), it also makes it easier for healers to heal people as they are running around in mid. Unless you really put a lot of focus on forcing a healer to pop all of their cooldowns (as well as CC-locking them), it's now harder to burst someone down against a good healer. Previously, you could just chase someone around a bend and lock them down before unloading a lot of damage, forcing the healer to chase.
I kind of liked how everyone was forced to be more strategic and intentional about their movements prior to the walls being removed.
I hope SE will consider putting the walls back in... but maybe not. =/ -
03-31-2016, 11:33 PMExira
Absolutely took away strategy from the game mode to cater to lazy healers who now just get destroyed by range. Who even asked for this change......
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03-31-2016, 11:49 PMIagainsti
He who wants the world to remain as it is doesn't want it to remain at all
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04-01-2016, 01:28 AMCynric
After trying it out in 8v8 and 4v4 more I'd like to say separate things about each.
4v4 - Battlefield feels empty, less strategy available using LoS, Ranged have a much easier time turreting, healers have an easier time healing, adrenaline box feels too accessible without the walls ex. before going after adrenaline without being near your healer could be risky and open up counter play where as now it's very simplified =/, the lack of walls makes the matches feel less exciting and the map feels too open for 8 players.
8v8- As there are more players on the battlefield and all crate buffs are randomized, the wall removal actually makes the topside of the battlefield more open, and gives more freedom of mobility for 16 players. Random crates encourages checking the lower level now, and with said lower level there's still multiple options for LoS and strategy. This feels more fun and balanced with the wall removal and the middle crate being accessible doesn't mean as much since Adrenaline can spawn in crates on the lower level and top level opening up counter-play if you break away to go down and check or get them.
If possible I'd prefer they make this separate, 4v4 = old map, 8v8 = new map with less walls. -
04-01-2016, 02:47 AMJubez187Wait, let's go one step further...WHO ASKED FOR ANY OF THESE CHANGES? Maybe bad players asked for the casting cancelling change..but they didn't ask for 15%, but who asked for the medals to be 15% per stack, who asked to make it easier to get stacks? Who asked for the walls to get taken away? Who asked for only 1 defensive buff per game? Who asked for crazy amounts of LB spawning? Who asked for 2 minutes (20%) shaved off the timer? Who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exira
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04-01-2016, 03:47 AMExiraMust be the JP forums. Too bad I don't speak/read japanese :^ )Quote:
Originally Posted by Jubez187
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04-01-2016, 07:08 AMChl
Well, I think it's rea- zzzzz....
{Purify}
Oh, sorry, I got slept because there's even less places to hide :D -
04-02-2016, 10:22 AMRufalus
I think it's about right, still got some walls, but not so many. The arena geometry is one of the things that bothers me the least.