Blood Weapon / other DRK suggestions:

This is old now. So I will just say this.

Remove or change Dark Arts and add the mechanics to the classes and give Dark Knight another mechanic unique to the class.

"Blood Weapon - Make it usable in Grit - Instead of Restoring MP, it Restores a little bit of HP.

Or, you know .. You can cross-class Bloodbath.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

"Blood Weapon - Make it usable in Grit - Instead of Restoring MP, it Restores a little bit of HP.

Or, you know .. You can cross-class Bloodbath.

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I know, or I could just play Warrior and have more Bloodbath.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

I know, or I could just play Warrior and have more Bloodbath.

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So basically you want DRK to be a magical WAR ?

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

So basically you want DRK to be a magical WAR ?

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Arn't they magical Warriors? No. With all these changes they would be nothing like Warriors play.

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

So basically you want DRK to be a magical WAR ?

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DRK right now is a magic paladin so...?

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

DRK right now is a magic paladin so...?

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Well that's kind of the problem, so making them magical WAR isn't better.

And no, your changes basically make Dark Arts less mandatory, a.k.a the unique feature of DRK.

Usually I like to post in your threads and tell you all the things that are just absolutely stupid or flat out wrong

But I'm not gonna bite your bait this time

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Originally Posted by Sekundessounet

Well that's kind of the problem, so making them magical WAR isn't better.

And no, your changes basically make Dark Arts less mandatory, a.k.a the unique feature of DRK.

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Getting on topic however though everyone needs to start ignoring OP. Crying about DRK once a day seems to be his forum mechanic.

DRK really needs to be it's own thing and not just a different version of PLD or WAR with fancy effects and a mish mash of jaded concepts from both tanks. And until that happens DRK will not know what the hell it wants to be.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Getting on topic however though everyone needs to start ignoring OP. Crying about DRK once a day seems to be his forum mechanic.

DRK really needs to be it's own thing and not just a different version of PLD or WAR with fancy effects and a mish mash of jaded concepts from both tanks. And until that happens DRK will not know what the hell it wants to be.

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Totally agree with you. The MP management with Dark Arts and other CDs are a good start I think.

I'm going to admit that I don't know what I want DRK to be, I know there are a lot of things about it that feel wrong, weird or out of place, but I can't think how I'd do it better. But everything in the OP makes me instinctively scream no.

Blood weapon, I think it's fine being only mp, but it does feel weird being restricted in grit. I get their thinking behind it but I wish it had been done differently, maybe even just making it a full time stance that swaps with grit kind of like shield oath and sword oath. Slightly reduce the effect to make up for the increased up time.

Sole survivor, not really necessary to change it to 15% hp especially when some adds can die from full health in like 2 seconds and not used on bosses just seems silly.

Everything you say remove dark arts from, no. Dark arts is an amazing mechanic on DRK and if anything I wish it was used more and introduced earlier.

I will agree abyssal drain should drain basely cause drain is in the name, it feels weird for it not to. The same with souleater. They should both have a weaker potency and drain and dark arts should enhance it.

Delerium reducing MND, there is basically one mob in the game so far that actually heals itself this would be stupidly niche and not fit drk's magical tank motif.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I'm going to admit that I don't know what I want DRK to be, I know there are a lot of things about it that feel wrong, weird or out of place, but I can't think how I'd do it better. But everything in the OP makes me instinctively scream no.

Blood weapon, I think it's fine being only mp, but it does feel weird being restricted in grit. I get their thinking behind it but I wish it had been done differently, maybe even just making it a full time stance that swaps with grit kind of like shield oath and sword oath. Slightly reduce the effect to make up for the increased up time.

Sole survivor, not really necessary to change it to 15% hp especially when some adds can die from full health in like 2 seconds and not used on bosses just seems silly.

Everything you say remove dark arts from, no. Dark arts is an amazing mechanic on DRK and if anything I wish it was used more and introduced earlier.

I will agree abyssal drain should drain basely cause drain is in the name, it feels weird for it not to. The same with souleater. They should both have a weaker potency and drain and dark arts should enhance it.

Delerium reducing MND, there is basically one mob in the game so far that actually heals itself this would be stupidly niche and not fit drk's magical tank motif.

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Why would you want to use it on a boss. So when it dies and you collect your loot your healed for 20% max life/power? You regenerate out of combat so fast. Also, under 15% is a very good mechanic because that is how Mercy Stroke is. It does nothing if they are alive.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Why would you want to use it on a boss. So when it dies and you collect your loot your healed for 20% max life/power? You regenerate out of combat so fast. Also, under 15% is a very good mechanic because that is how Mercy Stroke is. It does nothing if they are alive.

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Because what do you define as a boss? How would the game know? How would it restrict it? Is a dungeon mini boss a boss? Yes I'd want to use it on one of those as there's trash right after and I might be tapped out and it would get me to the next pull faster. Is a hunt a boss? Yes I want to use it on one of those as I might go right back into farming mobs around it after. Is zombie dragon in CT a boss? He dies 3 times yes I'd want to use it on him to get my mp back up. It's a stupid restriction. You just need to learn to use it properly and not expect the game to do it for you. The 15% on mercy stroke is a restriction not a benefit, it's there because it does damage, if it was unrestricted you could open with it and spam it throughout the fight for an extra 200 potency attack.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Because what do you define as a boss? How would the game know? How would it restrict it? Is a dungeon mini boss a boss? Yes I'd want to use it on one of those as there's trash right after and I might be tapped out and it would get me to the next pull faster. Is a hunt a boss? Yes I want to use it on one of those as I might go right back into farming mobs around it after. Is zombie dragon in CT a boss? He dies 3 times yes I'd want to use it on him to get my mp back up. It's a stupid restriction. You just need to learn to use it properly and not expect the game to do it for you. The 15% on mercy stroke is a restriction not a benefit, it's there because it does damage, if it was unrestricted you could open with it and spam it throughout the fight for an extra 200 potency attack.

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Bosses in this game, are usually surrounded by an area or arena. They also usually drop a chest afterwards. Usually are found in Dungeons and Raids. That fight "the dragon" also has a ton of adds you can use it on. Don't be a baby, this is a really good change and actually a good idea.

I've always kind of wanted Living Dead to act as a bomb that dealt damage equal to your max hp if you died from Walking Dead. I'm sure someone would form a hilarious strat involving using a drk as a suicide bomb.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Bosses in this game, are usually surrounded by an area or arena. They also usually drop a chest afterwards. Usually are found in Dungeons and Raids. That fight "the dragon" also has a ton of adds you can use it on. Don't be a baby, this is a really good change and actually a good idea.

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It's not a good change its stupid and unnecessary, clearly you have accidentally used it on a boss when you didn't need to and instead of thinking "maybe I should be more careful with when I use this" you've gone "duuuh, game is broke!"

Anyway you already have a sole survivor sucks thread where everyone widely disagrees with you so I'm not gonna turn this into another one.

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

I've always kind of wanted Living Dead to act as a bomb that dealt damage equal to your max hp if you died from Walking Dead. I'm sure someone would form a hilarious strat involving using a drk as a suicide bomb.

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It's funny. In Bravely Default if the DRK dies they blow up and deal big damage to all enemies.

Aptly named "See you in Hell". Passive trait.

Delirium damaging the target's Mind stat as an addition to what it does now would be enough to make DRK desirable in Feast pvp. But I suppose they don't really want to encourage players to use healer focus strat.

Living Dead is the only "uber cooldown" that doesn't do anything if it doesn't work in the game.

Go away, Nek.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

It's funny. In Bravely Default if the DRK dies they blow up and deal big damage to all enemies.

Aptly named "See you in Hell". Passive trait.

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That's an awesome name lol

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Originally Posted by Slappah

Usually I like to post in your threads and tell you all the things that are just absolutely stupid or flat out wrong

But I'm not gonna bite your bait this time

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But you did by replying and that first sentence.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Bosses in this game, are usually surrounded by an area or arena. They also usually drop a chest afterwards. Usually are found in Dungeons and Raids. That fight "the dragon" also has a ton of adds you can use it on. Don't be a baby, this is a really good change and actually a good idea.

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Then, consider the last boss of Lost City of Amdapor (hard): it dies thrice and Sole Survivor works on these deaths. I do not see why you would need to wait for the last phase's add to use Sole Survivor. I do not know what to think about the 15% change but I sure cannot see how not letting it works on boss is a "good change".
What about A6, are the four robots bosses in your definition or is it only the last one? If you want to rush, you sure want to use Sole Survivor on them...

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Blood Weapon - Make it usable in Grit - Instead of Restoring MP, it Restores a little bit of HP. Or.. just make it usable in Grit.
n't for Dark Arts then there be no real MP management for him.


Sole Survivor - Add (Cannot be used on enemies unless they are under 15% health, cannot be used on bosses. [after all, if the boss is dead you wouldn't need HP or mana anyways. Its good on Adds/Trash/Fight Mechanic things.])

The problem with this is when adds that die really quickly might not leave you enough time to add the effect one by the time 15% hits. I don't see the reason why you would want to add a condition to this anyway as the trade off is that it is timed. If you use too early and the add didn't die in time.
Example: Sep Ex small adds, they will die instantly almost.

Dark Dance - Remove Dark Arts Effect and add 5% Damage Reduction base. Evasion is cool but it doesn't really fit his kit. Hes a hulking armored man with a Greatsword.

Yeah I rarely use DA for Dark Dance so I wouldn't mind a change to this but I think I'll like to wait till they change parry.

Scourge - Make it Physical Damage.

It is physical damage?

Dark Mind - Remove Dark Arts Effect, make it 30% base. Its a defensive cooldown and the Dark Mind macro before it makes it delayed. Which kind of stinks anyways since its for one type of damage.
Removing Dark arts from Dark is like removing Jump from Dragoon, Fire III for BLM,
raise for WHM. It what makes the Job fun and what it is.
Living Dead - If nothing happens, heal the Dark Knight for 25% of his life.
Yeah this one defo need a re-work. I'd say add 50%+ healing received while active.
Shadow Wall - Decrease cooldown to 120s from 180s.
Na this is pretty Big Deffence CD so 180's is fair.
Dark Passenger - Remove Dark Arts effect; give it 200 potency base and a 6 second blind.
same as before.
Abyssal Drain - Remove Dark Arts effect and make it heal basely.
Same as before that
Delirium - Reduces MND and cast speed of the target by 10%.
The Cast Speed reduce is ok.

Currently switched to main to Warrior. Don't really see a reason to play a Dark Knight at the moment. Kind of dislike playing a 3.0 Samurai hybrid class. I do kind of like Dark Arts upgrading effects of stuff myself. I thought it was a really cool mechanic. However, it just doesn't work in this game. Its too flingy and works best using on certain abilities over others.

If Dark Arts was a buff you used instead of it just giving one ability the effect and lasted longer it would be actually a really fun mechanic. Like when it started it made multiple abilities go with it and was actually really fun.

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Dark Arts is fun, it just takes a good DRk play to fully use Dart Arts and still keep Darkside on, if it we didn't have Dark arts then DRK would have no real MP management.

As for not seeing a reason to go DRK, it depends on the fight. I main PLD and DRK, for Sep Ex, A5 and A7 I go PLD as I think he is the best to use in those fights as for A6 and A8 I use DRK.

And who knows when the next Ex primal comes along most of it's attacks or even it's auto attacks could be all magical so then I would op to use my DRk over my PLD.

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

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I assume your responses are in red but I just want to clarify. The Scourge DoT does magical damage and the Salted Earth DoT does physical damage. Yeah I don't get it.

As someone who plays DRK religously and exclusively... I find most of these class ideas overwhelmingly terrible :\

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Dark Arts is fun, it just takes a good DRk play to fully use Dart Arts and still keep Darkside on, if it we didn't have Dark arts then DRK would have no real MP management.

As for not seeing a reason to go DRK, it depends on the fight. I main PLD and DRK, for Sep Ex, A5 and A7 I go PLD as I think he is the best to use in those fights as for A6 and A8 I use DRK.

And who knows when the next Ex primal comes along most of it's attacks or even it's auto attacks could be all magical so then I would op to use my DRk over my PLD.

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I can agree with what you say. However for example of your CD that was powerful. Warriors Vengeance is the same 30%, plus a damage effect and only 120s cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Currently switched to main to Warrior. Don't really see a reason to play a Dark Knight at the moment.

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So basically what you're saying is that you run Expert Roulette on a different tank class now.

I'm glad you don't have any control or effect on the game's abilities or balance.

main DRK here, sup:

Martin up there made a good point. Removing Dark Arts would make this class utterly boring. casting 30% magic reduction and using full potency souleater in one sec? Kill it with fire. And never mention again.

One more thing, someone said dark dance doesn't match heavy armored guy with greatsword. Like what? DRK was SLIGHTLY based on Artorias of the Abyss. Did you see his crazy moves? Plunge, in example, is almost a plagiarism.
Not to mention lack of shield- isn't that obvious, you concentrate on parries and feints?
DRK is not WAR blind to pain, getting his guts out while screaming "Berzerk on, esuna soon pls"- armor is last line of defence for a knight. regardless holy or not.

And about 20% evasion- it's OP on trash pulls + 100% mitigation for 1 per 5 attacks.

Parry needs a fix, rite, but not dark dance.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Don't really see a reason to play a Dark Knight at the moment.

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I am having fun with DRK. Trials, dungeons, raids- still better love story than tanking red mage i read somewhere here already.

Ain't switching to WAR, cuz burst dmg and easy.

DRK at least has MP struggle.

Nothing is wrong with Dark Dance. Parry however right now is just complete ass. Plus Dark Arts is really DRK's main gimmick. However even that's a ripoff of Warrior's Infuriate. A MP costing 5 second recast Infuriate at that. Gives no buffs like WAR outside of the action and just enhances existing actions much like getting access to IB or FC as a WAR.

Not to mention all the carbon copy slightly altered PLD skills.

In retrospect a mish mash of ideas.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Nothing is wrong with Dark Dance. Parry however right now is just complete ass. Plus Dark Arts is really DRK's main gimmick. However even that's a ripoff of Warrior's Infuriate. A MP costing 5 second recast Infuriate at that. Gives no buffs like WAR outside of the action and just enhances existing actions much like getting access to IB or FC as a WAR.

Not to mention all the carbon copy slightly altered PLD skills.

In retrospect a mish mash of ideas.

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It sounds like War + Pal + Sam = No real identity.

I have often thought Shadow Wall should get SOMETHING to make it anything but an inferior version of Sentinel.

Whether that was a 15s duration, or a lowering of its cooldown to 150s, or some sort of combination.

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Originally Posted by Falar

I have often thought Shadow Wall should get SOMETHING to make it anything but an inferior version of Sentinel.

Whether that was a 15s duration, or a lowering of its cooldown to 150s, or some sort of combination.

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Indeed, feels kind of silly its just worse in every way.

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Originally Posted by Falar

I have often thought Shadow Wall should get SOMETHING to make it anything but an inferior version of Sentinel.

Whether that was a 15s duration, or a lowering of its cooldown to 150s, or some sort of combination.

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I had this thought a while ago, it sucks that sentinel has the same recast but is 10% stronger and vengeance has a shorter recast with the same effect + an extra effect. I'd love shadow wall to get an add effect personally, maybe something like converts all damage mitigated into mp when the effect ends and a little longer duration.

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

I had this thought a while ago, it sucks that sentinel has the same recast but is 10% stronger and vengeance has a shorter recast with the same effect + an extra effect. I'd love shadow wall to get an add effect personally, maybe something like converts all damage mitigated into mp when the effect ends and a little longer duration.

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Make it return some of the damage blocked at end of effect. Kinda like vengeance but all at once.

How about a 15 to 20% parry buff when grit is up?

I like that.

DRKs should just deal as much damage as Artorias... I love this class so much but in my opinion its lacking burst =/
Loved the suicidal Walking Dead xD