Making Gil without crafting/gathering: Is it Possible?

Some of my current goals include buying the 16 HQ items needed from the MB for the final step in the Anima Weapon quest and buying the i180 crafted gear to look like Fray via glamours, though this may not happen as everyone has moved on to the i220 stuff now.

By the time I finished HW, I had a few million gil from all the IV materias you get towards the end (I was able to sell one of the crafting ones for 250K!!) as I quickly learned the MB was a waste of time for upgrades, they were so overpriced and just saved all my gil and dungeon'd upgrades. However, I blew all that on HQ i220 accessories and now am looking at having to farm MILLIONS of gil with no quests. Later Dungeons give almost no gil and the gear you get in them is unsellable.

Am I missing an avenue of making money? I'm trying to level my Retainers, but it is taking a long time. I just feel like right now if you don't craft/gather, the game is stacked against you and am hopeful for ideas.

Doing roulette as the needed job gives bonus gil.
You can also complete as many of the weekly Challenge Logs as you can.
Another means would be killing monsters for monster drops that sell well (and/or sending a leveled retainer to get some too. They should bring a mix of HQ and NQ, and a decently geared retainer can bring 10 in 40 minutes).
Farming dungeons for minion drops that you can sell on the Market Board is also an option.
Spiritbonding can probably still be somewhat good, to an extent, but this is out of my field of expertise, so I can't guide you, there.

Those are the few that pop to my mind. I'm sure people will tell you more though!

Spiritbinding crafting items can be really good money. You could buy the items off the mb and go kill mobs, i usually go to wineport just cause i like it there. Alot of people say do unsync castrum and just kill first set of mobs exit and repeat.

Gathering and crafting is bulk of income.

However gathering faded pages are probably profitable on your server, which drop from trials / dungeons. That would be your best bet.

Sadly on the few servers I've been on, all the stuff you get from killing monsters are near worthless... The exception used to being diremite web but not anymore on my server. Reason their worthless is cause everyone else has them too from killing and leveling. There's excess in every server I've seen.

Truthfully, say you found the golden goose of monster farming items, it'd probably take longer making money farming that then just leveling say miner. I sucked it up and leveled it and I make insane money. I make even more money with just my 50 armorer. Housing items are usually cheap to make and make insane money.

I'd go miner. It's almost fun and some ores make decent money depending on server.

Sorry for double post but editing doesn't work on my phone. Keep in mind I said 50 armorer. That's right, probably one of the least profitable crafters at a level that's meh. Even that will nab you money if you craft the right things. I don't have cross class skills or even decent gear.

Get your 2.0 Beast Tribes up and you can get 12 tier IV materia per day. I can't speak for Ultros but on Greg the prices have dropped quite a bit since they were originally added (about 50% down from a few weeks ago), but its still better then nothing. If I was still selling right now instead of saving for melds/possibly useful for 3.3 relic I'd probably have over 7 mil now. For refrence aboute a month ago I was under 2 mil, now I'm at 6 mil. You can also sell the Tier V materias that you can get from the Void Ark drop.

Its not nearly as fast as a good crafter/gatherer can make, but if you aren't going to be doing those anytime soon its my suggestion. If you do decide on gathering I also vouch for mining. Relaxing in my opinion.

The answer to this is: Certainly, but you'll certainly make far less unless you have music and minion drop luck the likes of which the world has never seen.

Go Grab-tastic on every piece of gear from every dungeon you run, need / greed the lot of it. Trade it in for GC seals and use them to obtain cordials, coke, animal fat, etc, whatever sells well on the market.
Hard Mode primals may potentially be a benefit for items from Ifrit, Garuda, Titan and Leviathan since they are needed to craft the minions.
Rank 3 ARR beast tribe quests give 1 T4 materia each. (Kobold, Sahagin, Sylph and Amal'jaa)

I didn't know that about the original Beast Tribes, and here I am focusing on the two new ones in HW (for unidentified items). I thought the music crafting components were un-tradeable? I swear I tried selling one before and it wouldn't go on the market.

I run a lot of dungeons, so need/greeding isntead of passing might be a way to go. I am always at or near the GC cap and had not investigated if any of those items were worth good gil.

Thanks guys!

I know sucking up and just gathering/crafting is sound advice but I just can't do it, I find it incredibly unfun. I want to attack monsters and use my abilities and gain gil through combat.

for relic items, the rank 3 ARR beast tribes also give tokens towards them, and it's typically faster as well since they only offer one item each rather than all 4 so it takes 13 of the ARR tokens for an unidentified item rather than the 18 from the Vanu / Gnath.

Yes it's probable to make gil outside of being a gatherer/crafter. I was originally making a how-to guide as a response. (Denied by character limit). Then later tried making a new thread topic (Denied again by character limit).

The simple answer is, "Yes, just play the market board." However, since I can't fully explain it (nor do I have the patience of making multiple sub-threads). You'll have to read a book on economic trends and analysis. Cheers!

Yeah its call RMT

Here is basic DoW Gil Guide.

Running quick ventures with retainers and selling what they bring back.

-roulette
-level
-retainer
-beast tribes
-buying from vendors and reselling at a higher price.
-sb
-etc

Plenty of ways to make gil without gathering or crafting.

Do DoW retainers return anything worth selling at max level? If so I'm thinking about buying the ability to add 2 more. It will take a long time to level them but the sooner I get started, the better. Right now my DoW retainers are 35/26 so I still have a long way to go for them to get to 60.

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Do DoW retainers return anything worth selling at max level? If so I'm thinking about buying the ability to add 2 more. It will take a long time to level them but the sooner I get started, the better. Right now my DoW retainers are 35/26 so I still have a long way to go for them to get to 60.

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Obviously depends on your server, but yes, they do.

How against crafting are you? I would recommend desynthesis. It's a great supplement for making gil through battle. You won't actually have to craft anything outside of unlocking and possibly leveling the skill. You'll need to invest some gil into it, but it should pay off fairly quickly.

you can try to farm diadem. you can buy grade 5 materia and some other stuff with the diadem tokens

Without crafting/gathering, it surely is possible but it is not nearly as fast nor as much as you would with crafting/gathering.

Daily roulette's give quite a nice chunk of money(With needed class)
I know farming certain items from mobs can give you quite a bit of money, I used to make so much money with Fleece,Alumen and stuff like that. But that was prior to 3.0
Still there are quite some crafting items that are worth quite a bit of money, But you'll have to look around in the MB since prices flux quite a bit + Different servers and all.

But all in all, It still is faster too level all your craft classes 0->60 and then make money imho.

Spend 4 minutes crafting yesterday made 1.2M, Its very unlikely you will be able to reproduce that with farming items unless you get a minion drop or something similar

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Obviously depends on your server, but yes, they do.

How against crafting are you? I would recommend desynthesis. It's a great supplement for making gil through battle. You won't actually have to craft anything outside of unlocking and possibly leveling the skill. You'll need to invest some gil into it, but it should pay off fairly quickly.

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I take zero enjoyment out of anything in the game that does not involve combat. I do have over 500 ventures, however. So far anything I can buy with GC seals sells for nothing on the MB, so I'm thinking if I get a bunch of retainers at high level maybe I can get them to provide something useful. Trouble is, my highest one is currently 36 so I'm not sure what they can bring in at 50+.

How about doing desynthesis for a while, then go farm coil turns 1-4 for gear? On my server allagan nuggets/wootz ingots go for over 100k each, and the silk and hides are not too far off. Thats what I used to do when I got bored of crafting

Diadem chest items; Items obtained per spoils may sell.
Dungeon item/minion farm.
Scroll farms...

I see a ton of possibilities...

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How about doing desynthesis for a while, then go farm coil turns 1-4 for gear? On my server allagan nuggets/wootz ingots go for over 100k each, and the silk and hides are not too far off. Thats what I used to do when I got bored of crafting

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For desynthesis you need given crafter on level 30... he wrote without crafting :o

daily roulettes as bonus. after as the in need which is usually tank.

choose 3 classes to desynth gear for and level them via dungeon drops. probs best to use wvr ltw and arm. this will take awhile but ultimatly you can get materials that sell quite well.

or alternatly you could drop arm desynth in favour of bsm and run moogles hm for mog materia as that sells well.

t9 this one turn has mats and a song sheet that sell for a reasonable amount and undersized takes 4mins to clear with a competent party. also items desynth if skill is higher enough.

merc runs, sell your services either by helping people clear primals / raids or just helping people beat ques as supplying the tank role.

retainers. if you have 4 use two battle one miner one botonist (miner + botonist will need levelling to 60 to make them worth while) if not use all battle class type. need / greed all dungeon drops trade for seals and buy ventures to fund the hourly send outs. check mb to fins the desired items to retrieve.

in downtime gather enemy drops like wyvern skins, dragon skins deepeye tears, dhamel skins /saliva, check your mb see which sells rather well and test which arent to bothersome to gather. hq will have a better value but are rarer drops.

with just alittle time and effort you can set yourself up to get a reasonable daily income with minimal effort. no you wont make gil like a gatherer or crafter but you can def make gil as a battle class.


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should of added it will take no crafting to raise your crafters as you can buy every item needed of mb for the daily gc turn ins, its slower than doing it yourself but it wont take long to get them to the required level to unlock desynth. although i would reccomend getting them to 50 this way as self repairs work out cheaper than vender repairs and so will help you save gil in the long run.

Some hints if you decide not to craft/gather:
1) If you decide to run the market you should always check selling history. Its really important to see how frequently an item sells and at what price.
2) A really rewarding strategy is to buy and sell at a higher price. There are plenty of people that can sell at even 50% less than normal price. They do that in order to sell quickly of course but with a much less profit so why not use this in your advantage? :)
3) Propably the most rewarding method is spiritbond. Materia will always sell like crazy no matter patch or demand. If you focus on making gil, a simple method would be to get your weekly tier5 materia (preferably det or crit rate) and sell them. Normal price could be 250-300k each.
4) Last, is people's boredom. It may sound stupid but it works! There are ton of items in the market that are purchasable that sell really good but crafters wont move an inch to get them so why not? (Do this, believe me it works ;))

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2) A really rewarding strategy is to buy and sell at a higher price. There are plenty of people that can sell at even 50% less than normal price. They do that in order to sell quickly of course but with a much less profit so why not use this in your advantage? :)

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because after they sold so fast i will craft another bunch of items and sell them for the same 50% less price than averge and then you are sitting on my items and can't sell them with profit while i have already made my money. if i sell for a much cheaper price i do this because i want to sell them quickly, yes, to get back the space on my retainer to sell even more items.

your method may work, sure, but it is a bit risky.

well the topic is about making gil w/o crafting and the items im talking about are based on that. I don't have any crafter to know all about craftwars... :)

Since you said you're still working on leveling your retainers, I'm curious as to what level they are at? Once you get them to 50 though and get them decent gear, quick explorations will usually turn out some decent items to sell (not always). Pending what class your retainers are, long explorations can turn out some very good items. I send my fishing retainer on water explorations in hopes of getting ghestal's or fat cats to sell.

But if you're looking for the route where you can fight things for your income, then I'd suggest trial farming for boss drops; levi barb, mog whisker, etc. They usually bring in a decent amount of gil when sold (at least on my world). Then as other's have said, need/greed for items in all dungeons you go in and turn in for GC seals, then buy sellable items. If you notice something on the MB that is selling well that drops from a monster kill, you can always go hunting some, but those usually end up fluctuating quickly and can be very hit or miss.

You can make a sufficient income for most things just regularly doing your roulettes as adventurer in need. The in need bonus is almost as big as the actual clear (including mob money, if applicable) + roulette bonus.

Doing ventures on retainers, well...you probably can't have a decently leveled gathering/crafting retainer and the battlecraft retainers are reaaally hit or miss, but it does help a little.
That aside, you have to get lucky with boss drops. Minions, mats etc can all be turned into profit. The aetherstones and orchestrion rolls from the coils also went over the table for some good coin recently, materia V prices unfortunately dropped quite a bit.
Also, battlecraft temple leves can reward items that (on Balmung) sell for up to 40k at times. It's not much, but it helps, especially if you'd otherwise just be sitting on your leves.

If you want to make even more, you can play the market board game of buy low, sell high. That requires quite a bit of insight and tracking, tho.


All of those work for making some coin to fuel your glamour/relic needs. It's typically not much on its own, but it compounds. If you want to make big money, I'm afraid there's no way around crafting and gathering. Just one example: Grade 1 alchemy prisms sell for 2000+ on the MB. Blue landtrap leaf costs 128, a clear prism 200, rock salt and quicksilver about 10gil each, all easily procurable from a vendor. Add 100gil for crystals, 40 more for shards and you're left at 488 gil production cost. That's 1500 gil profit for clicking "synthesize", then hitting "careful synthesis II". You just can't beat that as DoW/DoM.

This is kind of the point of them adding crafting mats to stuff like coil. So you can kill bosses and get things to sell.

You can try selling mats from Esoterics. Go for the NQ items as they are only 20 Esoterics and don't sell for much less than the HQ ones. Of course, it depends how much they sell on your server.

On mine, they go for about 40k a pop and with your dailies, you can get around 250 Esoterics a couple of roulettes. So possible up to 500k (minus the tax so maybe less) in mats if you can part with your tomes.

As a crafter, I buy these mats regularly to make 220 gear.

If you aren't levelling multiple jobs, stuff you can get with special currency can sell well if you do your research. For example, if you're drowning in GC seals borax sells pretty well.