The Fold > Lv.60

I would like to see "Wolves' Den - The Fold" be bumped up to Lv60.

Why?

• To return the option of a 4v4 arena with only one rule: kill the other team. No gimmicks.
• Recent job and casting adjustments address certain old issues with the Fold and are more welcoming to non-AST comps.
• It should be an easy switch and should not take much, if any, development time.
• For fun.

But will it be popular?
Probably not. It would probably only be as popular as it was before. That is, mostly kept to solo queue night every Friday and the team scrims every now and then.

Won't it take away from Feast queues?
Possibly, but not by a lot. People will play what they want to play, and shouldn't be restricted to only one option.

Damages from jobs across the board are high, as is burst in general...
Yes it is, but metas are quite different in Fold and you won't know how it plays out until it's attempted. Job balances made in Feast should have all forms of 4v4 in mind.

Do you just not like Feast?
It's plenty of fun! Just not what I had in mind when they advertised a "competitive format."


Kindly discuss your thoughts, desires, and reservations on this matter!

Maybe make Fold matches best 2 out of 3 or something too. It's short duration was the only thing off putting to me.

I like the Bo3 suggestion - The Fold suffers from really bad queue:gameplay ratios, especially for newer players.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Maybe make Fold matches best 2 out of 3 or something too. It's short duration was the only thing off putting to me.

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Maybe. 4v4 with just kills is far too quick and very focused on killing the healer. There's not much reason to focus anyone but the healer when the healer is the biggest threat with raises and keeping others from dying.

I can definitely stand behind Bo3. My thoughts were to simply have it as an option if teams wanted to scrim on it.

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Originally Posted by Cynric

Maybe. 4v4 with just kills is far too quick and very focused on killing the healer. There's not much reason to focus anyone but the healer when the healer is the biggest threat with raises and keeping others from dying.

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Disagree. Before Feast came out, it was a common strat to drop the rest of the team first. Fold being so cutthroat will put healers back to using VIT as they used to, so it would still be favorable at times to drop the rest of the team.

+1. While they're at it, I wouldn't mind if they raised the level cap of Secure and Slaughter as well and put in a "PvP Roulette" which slotted players into the first available match in any game mode (excluding 4v4 restricted modes).

I love the Feast. It's great fun. I even enjoy the medal drops and mechanics of Heavy Medal stacks, more so since the most recent patch. It's a solid mode that requires more thought and awareness than the previous PvP modes we've had, but it's nice to have some variety. This kind of change should have been done a long time ago.

That said, there are a few things I'd like to know. Firstly, queue options:

One of the biggest reasons for the solo queue in Feast was because of match fixing and an unfair/unfriendly queue environment to solo players. Even Friday Night Fights were marred by the occasional group that would run as a party and ruin the fun for everyone else. So, would we want SE to change the solo queue option to be strictly solo (like Feast)? Personally, I like solo queues as an option, but I know some people really get irked that they can't queue with friends or carry a pocket healer with them.

Secondly: Rankings. Out of curiosity, would you guys like to see rankings applied to the Fold? If so, in what form would you like rankings to apply? Would Feast and Fold share rankings or no? Would only solo queues apply to your rank, or would the party matches apply as well? Should party and solo queues have distinct rankings from one another (I'm pretty sure we'll all agree on this one, but might as well ask)?

Personally, IF SE raised the lvl cap of Fold to 60, what I'd like to see is solo Fold and solo Feast matches both apply to the same ranking. I would also like to see party Fold and party Feast be given their own seasonal ranking. This one's a little out there, but (again there's a big hypothetical "IF" here) IF SE did this and applied a "PVP Roulette" (which would have to be for solo-queues only) I would also like to see daily Roulette provide a PvP Rank point bonus to your solo ranking, provided you win the match. That might help with some of the current concerns over the current ranking system being too strict.

Yes please..

I agree 100% with you, Atreus. I'd love to bring The Fold up to level 60 as more of a fun thing, no rewards or anything (seasonal). It would be good 4v4 practice too to help people get used to light party PvP before entering The Feast - Ranked. 4v4 is very different than 8v8 feast.

The Fold - Ranked.

That is what people wanted since Wolves Den came out :/. It would be nice if they just made a map queue for the PVP games. Just put them all in a roulette when you load up you will get a different map :/.

Giving this a bump. From recent chats on Discord and the latest Feast releases, it would be nice, once again, to have a straight, unranked deathmatch mode.

Placing additional emphasis on best out of 3 or 5 bouts, possibly 3-minute rounds, though a good start would simply keeping the Fold up to date with whatever the current level cap is at the time.

Raise disabled would be a nice cherry on top for said bouts.

Give us some kind of updated Fold where you can still earn all of the existing Fold achievements. Add a new Fold achievement with something people want, like glamor or mount. Add a Wolves' Den roulette which can place you in either Fold or unrated Feast, has bonus tomes and marks like the Frontlines roulette does.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

Giving this a bump. From recent chats on Discord and the latest Feast releases, it would be nice, once again, to have a straight, unranked deathmatch mode.

Placing additional emphasis on best out of 3 or 5 bouts, possibly 3-minute rounds, though a good start would simply keeping the Fold up to date with whatever the current level cap is at the time.

Raise disabled would be a nice cherry on top for said bouts.

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This sounds great!

Finally someone mentions it. Please can we have lvl 60 fold.

i prefer to see a raise in igear cap and enable of pvp materia. i235 and cap i150, ridicolous.

I'd like it to remain lvl50 but to have better rewards (matched with lvl60 unranked Feast). The reason for this is because it'd be nice to fight using the old abilities only.

Got in few folds last week, all new ppl there basically 2min wins if I'm the healer

But if the opposite healer is not new... well that's a mp race then
Fold is not fun at all now, either their healer can't heal or my dps can't do damage

Lv60 fold sounds good btw

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Originally Posted by Headhunters

i prefer to see a raise in igear cap and enable of pvp materia. i235 and cap i150, ridicolous.

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This would be bad. Numbers are out of proportion at high gear levels so damage would be absurd.

Give 130% Hp pool to all players so it won't rely only on burst and end up in 30 sec, and it will be fine XD