Its pre season please stop

Its only pre season queuing solo 4v4 (made it to bronze league) and im allready running into the childish abusive league of legends attitude it doesn't help the the team work together to stop this bs before the season proper.

Hasn't happened to me yet, but had a couple of friends who are new to pvp being told to go die over being 'bad' apparently, kinda crap tbh ><

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Originally Posted by Dumbledoremd

Its only pre season queuing solo 4v4 (made it to bronze league) and im allready running into the childish abusive league of legends attitude it doesn't help the the team work together to stop this bs before the season proper.

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You play a black mage. Get used to it, is all I can say.

Ill just tab when i que why should i just put up with it

I'd try a different job for now Dumbledoremd. Black Mage seems a bit lacking for solo queing 4v4 Feast. I've only seen one do decent damage and CC in 8v8 only because there are more people for you to hide behind.

If you really want to do Black Mage, maybe create a 4v4 Team and do the premade ques. The job works much better with teamspeak communication.

I Could go smn i guess i will have too maybe square will do something about blm soon doesn't change the bad attitudes of people in solo 4's

Im on JP server and everyone is really respectful even in loss... would suck if people got salty

Im on na goblin and its league of legends mode not all but alot of it was from balmung and gilga players

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Originally Posted by AbandonHopeTD

Im on JP server and everyone is really respectful even in loss... would suck if people got salty

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Salty? SALTY? My Dear, they're already mummified on Primal with the amount of salt being piled on everyone. It's more corrosive than when Hunts were vital to gearing up. It's putting even experienced PVP players off.

Every game you have, no matter how bad it is, no matter how much people complain, just say "thanks, gg guys" after each one. Even if the other team just took you to the cleaners, there's literally no reason to say anything else. I used to try to give advice to newer people after matches, but some take offense to it so I only do so if specifically asked now.

There's a lot of things people don't realize...

1. There will always be new people, and the only way for those guys to improve is keep queuing and get experience. Everyone does this and you can't get upset at them for it.
2. The more people queuing, the faster your queues will be and the more pvp stuff we will get in the future
3. If you rage at people, you discourage them from queuing and are hurting PvP in the long term
4. There is often more going on than you see in the match (ex: You could be a dps and wonder why it seems like you're the only one attacking the healer. You don't see that the tank is peeling to help your healer, that your ranged is killing their melee, and that the only reason you were able to "solo" the healer was because their healer had to blow cooldowns to heal his melee).

Everyone is going to have frustrating matches, good thing you can just re-queue and get a new match, try not to let these guys get to you as in the long run they're just making themselves look bad.

If you like quick ques cut the bs out you are doing nothing but turn people off pvp like blubbers said

Now the reason why people get salty:

1-Is a RANK match so you hope that will be players that know how to play. If you wanna learn do have no rank.(8vs8 is not a good place to learn)

2- Pre season is for players improve yours skill not learn play the game.

3- I don't wanna be salty but have no idea about pvp skill and join a rank match is a big joke.

4- They give up to easy on the match, and for the people that is rank they not give up.

5- They have no idea how the game work, so in the end that usually you need to hit someone to win they are doing other things.

6- Most of then don't really wanna learn they wanna get carry to win the mount or just wanna the minion or cap lore or wolf mark for glam or songs make who enjoy pvp salty.

Have more but that is why pvper don't like when a person is new, it is like the savage mode was only solo df for rewards and a person that never clear the history mode join and you hope for rng save you to get your clear or learn the fight.

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Originally Posted by Blubbers

1. There will always be new people, and the only way for those guys to improve is keep queuing and get experience. Everyone does this and you can't get upset at them for it.

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I think it's both a missed opportunity and a huge mistake that 8v8 Feast isn't directly referred to as "Training" when you get the opportunity to queue for it. 4v4 is really not the place for a brand new player - having a second healer, second tank or more DPS is like adding training wheels to the learning process.

A brand new player going into 4v4 rather than 8v8 is making the game not only harder for their team, but less fun both for their team and themselves. It might honestly be better if people who have never PvPed before had to get to rank 10 or so before Ranked unlocked, to ensure they had at least gotten through a few games of Feast or Seal Rock and seen what their abilities do, because fighting a 3v4 is a hell of a lot more frustrating than fighting a 7v8.

There's no need for salt, I guess, but there are some people out there that are doing really dumb things, so dumb they have to be intentional. If you get a string of really stupid people, you tend to have little patience for any more mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Kyani

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Yeah I agree with this - They should have a "hall of novice" equivalent to train new people how to use their pvp skills and give some pvp experience and entry level pvp gear as a reward. Then directing these guys to 8v8 until they've done at least some minimum number of matches in a more laid back environment would be great. There's definitely a point where you can only learn so much 8v8 and you need the 4v4s to progress more but the first 10 ranks or so you're mainly just learning to hit your pvp moves anyway.

Look. I get it. I really do. Nobody likes to be yelled at. But when you come into a Ranked match, and play like an idiot, ignore kill orders and go "It's just a game", we're gonna have problems. Because you just dropped the rating of three other players because you wanted to walk in and go "WHEEEEEE PVP!" Would you pull that crap in a dungeon or raid? I think not. So why is it okay to do it in PvP?

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Originally Posted by Felien

1-Is a RANK match so you hope that will be players that know how to play. If you wanna learn do have no rank.(8vs8 is not a good place to learn)

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If you want to do some 4v4 solo queue, there's no "unranked" mode.

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Originally Posted by Felien

2- Pre season is for players improve yours skill not learn play the game.

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You know that, in FFXIV which isn't known for its PvP scene, each time a patch brings some new PvP elements, players who never went in PvP before are going to try it. It's expected.

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Originally Posted by Felien

3- I don't wanna be salty but have no idea about pvp skill and join a rank match is a big joke.

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You are repeating yourself. See #2.

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Originally Posted by Felien

4- They give up to easy on the match, and for the people that is rank they not give up.

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wat.

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Originally Posted by Felien

5- They have no idea how the game work, so in the end that usually you need to hit someone to win they are doing other things.

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See #2 and #3.

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Originally Posted by Felien

6- Most of then don't really wanna learn they wanna get carry to win the mount or just wanna the minion or cap lore or wolf mark for glam or songs make who enjoy pvp salty.

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That happens with every content.



The reason why people get salty is simple: they are jerks and idiots.
That said, after 20 or so matches, I saw only 1 dude who was like that.

People are making a mountain out of a molehill. Or maybe it's just NA.

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Originally Posted by Isala

Look. I get it. I really do. Nobody likes to be yelled at. But when you come into a Ranked match, and play like an idiot, ignore kill orders and go "It's just a game", we're gonna have problems. Because you just dropped the rating of three other players because you wanted to walk in and go "WHEEEEEE PVP!" Would you pull that crap in a dungeon or raid? I think not. So why is it okay to do it in PvP?

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Who cares? It's pre-season and if you reach a high enough rank, you're not gonna see these "WHEEEEEE PVP!" again.
So be patient and rank up. Also, don't forget that there's no unranked 4v4.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

So be patient and rank up. Also, don't forget that there's no unranked 4v4.

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There is no unranked 4v4 because 4v4 is a terrible environment to learn. No matter who you are, if you have no idea what you're doing you're putting your team at a enormous disadvantage - a completely unrecoverable one if you're playing the group's tank or healer. Three Actually Silver players are not going to beat four Actually Bronze players outside of a stroke of good luck - losing that fourth player is a nearly insurmountable hit, even if it's "only" your ranged DPS.

If you want to queue for 4v4, knowing that your inexperience means your team is losing because of you, then be my guest. But it's not as though the angry people you encounter are without grievance, and I will defend their right to be angry at you (and occasionally join them, if you're that dumb).

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Originally Posted by Fyce

So be patient and rank up.

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Can't reach a high enough rank when you're constantly thrown into matches with complete morons, now, can you? Not in solo queue. Not when you end up with players who just sit there attacking the tank the whole time, while ignoring the SMN with 9 stacks, and 350 medals. You're not going to win, when the healer runs right into the center of the arena and /sits because they got killed once, and blames everyone around them because they're the scrub who couldn't heal through the damage a single bard does. Just a bard. Not even a bard plus another player. They got soloed by a bard. These are the kinds of players who infest the PvP ranked queue, and if being toxic chases them out for good, I say good riddance. Maybe, once all the pants on head PvE heroes leave ranked, we'll actually get real matches that aren't so horribly onesided, you shouldn't have even bothered to queue at all.

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Originally Posted by Kyani

There is no unranked 4v4 because 4v4 is a terrible environment to learn. No matter who you are, if you have no idea what you're doing you're putting your team at a enormous disadvantage - a completely unrecoverable one if you're playing the group's tank or healer. Three Actually Silver players are not going to beat four Actually Bronze players outside of a stroke of good luck - losing that fourth player is a nearly insurmountable hit, even if it's "only" your ranged DPS.

If you want to queue for 4v4, knowing that your inexperience means your team is losing because of you, then be my guest. But it's not as though the angry people you encounter are without grievance, and I will defend their right to be angry at you (and occasionally join them, if you're that dumb).

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8v8 doesn't really prepare you for 4v4. They're not at all the same experience. And if there was training queue for 4v4, then people shouldn't be getting mad at others, because it's training.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

8v8 doesn't really prepare you for 4v4. They're not at all the same experience. And if there was training queue for 4v4, then people shouldn't be getting mad at others, because it's training.

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8v8 (and Frontlines) are a much better place to get a bearing on your PvP abilities. It's not even close. Having less impact on the game (or more downtime between fights, in Frontline's case) gives you better opportunities to read tooltips, observe, and ask questions.

If you have no idea what you're doing at all in a pvp context, throwing yourself right into the highest difficulty is an awful way to learn. It's like trying to learn a brand new class (at 50/60) by trying to do EX primals rather than EX roulette.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

If you want to do some 4v4 solo queue, there's no "unranked" mode.

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For learn how to use pvp skills you have the fold is a rank 50 but pvp skill are the same, plus you have front lines to work on it.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You know that, in FFXIV which isn't known for its PvP scene, each time a patch brings some new PvP elements, players who never went in PvP before are going to try it. It's expected.

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No but the same why that you have ppl going to looking for guides, videos or streamers when you wanna clear a pve content , guess what for pvp that have that to. Every one that play pvp wanna help other people to get into that to. If you put a pf up 100% chance that someone will help you. For e.x: Go to Wolves' Den Pier to training how to use your pvp skills before come to a match. You can ask for help in the forum to someone will help you improve your game

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Originally Posted by Fyce

You are repeating yourself. See #2.

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Look like the same but is not, if know how that you have pvp skills and you know how to use it. A match will help you to improve it adapt it, become a better player.

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Originally Posted by Fyce

wat.

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Yeah losing a match is losing points, for those that have rank. So we regroup and try something different, because if you don't wipe in the first round who is losing can take a small advantage from vulnerability stacks.

Can't you use party finder and avoid the bads in your team for the feast anyway?

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Originally Posted by Fyce

Who cares? It's pre-season and if you reach a high enough rank, you're not gonna see these "WHEEEEEE PVP!" again.
So be patient and rank up. Also, don't forget that there's no unranked 4v4.

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Nothing to say about it if you wanna pvp ask for help in the forum or for someone. Try to learn the game, most of the people that pvp was waiting almost 1 hour to play a pvp match that takes 20 min tops so they really like it and someone say "WHEEEE PVP!" is to annoying. And you come to the forum just to say that

Bottom line is SE should have made a practice 4v4 mode that is unranked and where new players can go and learn, It sucks when you have liabilities in your group when you want to see how far you can get in the rankings, yes it's preseason but you still want to see how far you can go and what works in these random comps for the time being.

One person can make everyone lose, worst part is the people with high rankings will get penalised the most and that's not fair preseason or not. The insults however aren't needed either but who can blame them when you keep losing because people don't want to work together and dont have the skill or knowledge to be a helpful member of the party, It's extremely frustrating.

Here's a game I just got out of. One of the DPS got his "first match guiz!" achievement, and the other ran directly into 4 people instead of waiting for buffs to go out. All 8 players were alive for the first 90 seconds of the match.

http://i.imgur.com/QKQ4D60.png

About half of my losses have the DPS (or a healer) look like this, comparatively. You are not best served playing 4v4 if this represents your best effort.

http://i.imgur.com/L6vB9Dd.png

4 stacks of Culling Time this time. After we lost the first fight, the MCH went off at us for "not protecting them enough", then ran in and died again.

Just gonna keep posting these until the guy who says that new players aren't causing anyone to lose games comes back:

http://i.imgur.com/Su9J6No.png

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Originally Posted by Kyani

Just gonna keep posting these until the guy who says that new players aren't causing anyone to lose games comes back:

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Two things I see and would like explained.

One why are Bronze ranks mixed with non ranked?

Two skilled or unskilled they both have the share of toxic. Except the percentage of jerks go up when you are taking from a smaller pool. So unskilled may have more jerks and skilled have higher percentage. So what does this prove either way.

Isn't there just as many new people on the other teams?

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Originally Posted by Isala

You're not going to win, when the healer runs right into the center of the arena and /sits because they got killed once, and blames everyone around them because they're the scrub who couldn't heal through the damage a single bard does. Just a bard. Not even a bard plus another player. They got soloed by a bard.

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I'm a bard and I solo others all the time. Granted, I'm one of the very few that are not shit.
Bards are heavily underestimated in pvp. I also eat summoners for breakfast without them being able to do anything at all against me.

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Originally Posted by Andriel

I'm a bard and I solo others all the time. Granted, I'm one of the very few that are not shit.
Bards are heavily underestimated in pvp. I also eat summoners for breakfast without them being able to do anything at all against me.

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Fyte me! Do you even lift Andriel?

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Originally Posted by Andriel

I'm a bard and I solo others all the time. Granted, I'm one of the very few that are not shit.
Bards are heavily underestimated in pvp. I also eat summoners for breakfast without them being able to do anything at all against me.

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Honest truth, I actually alternate between doing the Feast as a Bard and a Warrior. I've blown up several people quite well as a Bard, and damn do I love the sounds a Misery's End makes, followed by the ding of a kill. Had one 8v8 match where I went 13/1/15. Sounded like a pinball machine. But in this case, it wasn't a good bard killing them, they really were just an absolute garbage healer. The specific scenario in question, we were all fighting in the middle, as you do, and the healer decided to split off, away from everyone else, and sprint back to our base, with no support, and got soloed.

I main a Bard as well in solo. It's tiring hearing the party whine about having me in their party, or just getting the "gg, no dps" in chat before the match begins...

...then at the end of the match I'm sitting at 7/0/8 with 200k+ plus damage and covered in smn or blm tears. I can just taste their salt as they immediately leave the instance before I get a chance to tell them to take their shoes off before they insert them into their mouths.

But in their defence, a majority of the Bards people come across in PvP have no idea that Warden's Paean is life, play foes for a party of drgs or spam Wide Volley like they're defending nodes. -_-

First team for the feast, less than 20 pvp matches played overall, first comment in the chat "you guys better be pvp'ers". Didn't bode well lol

I have not readed all the post in this thread, but my question is, how Im supposed to learn to PVP? I mean I have queued to frontlines but in my opinion thats a quite chaotic place to learn is there any option for me without hinder everybody?(also avoid unnecesary LoL attitude)

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Originally Posted by ardrej

I have not readed all the post in this thread, but my question is, how Im supposed to learn to PVP?

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Yeah, there is - there's an unranked mode near the top (the highlighted option). In that mode, there's redundancy for all players - no matter what role you're learning, you'll be with other players of your chosen type.

http://i.imgur.com/mNA0JUO.png

Learning through that mode will teach you the basics of your class, which everyone should have before entering 4v4.

Out of my 40 solo queues, I've only legitmately gotten angry at my party twice, and it's for something that's not exclusive to PvP ; Ignoring calls and lacking basic awareness. Like, bad enough to the point that a DRK thinks he can harass an AST, or everyone thinking it's a good idea to leave the BLM alone.

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

Isn't there just as many new people on the other teams?

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Yes, but as the percentage of unloseable/unwinnable games goes up, there are fewer fulfilling games and it becomes harder to increase your rank.

You have to win 51% of your games, straight up, to advance to the next rank. If a third of your games have a dud on one of the two teams (17% auto-win + 17% auto-loss), you're only able to affect two thirds (66%) of your matches. but you're still at an effective 0% win rate of the 50% needed. You need to win 5 out of 6.6 of your "real" matches (~75%) to steadily advance to tier, or simply get lucky once you grind up to 900.

Is it as high as 17% (one in five, or so)? Probably not. But even one-in-ten still means you have to win 5 out of 8 matches (62.55) rather than 50%.