The Goddess

Now the sephy is done. Any speculation of the next triad I am positive that she will be next. Any ideas on who summoned her

Hard to tell at the moment. However, I have a theory. The Warring triads statues at first looked cleaned or rather without overgrown plants covering them. When we were nearing the upcoming patch to fight the Fiend, they then began to get covered by said plants or moss. Considering that Sephirot is a bit "plant like" then perhaps this may have had connection when the story states that he was beginning to get free from his shackles. If the statues change from being covered in moss to something else then perhaps there may be some foreshadowing to what her nature is and possibly who summoned her. All but a theory at the moment.

She seems to be the most prominent of the three statues so I suspect that she'll be the final member of the trio that we face.

I'm more interested in what special properties she has that the Allagan are using to create in their experiments. We know Sephirot has the ability for extreme growth and we see that on how many of their chimerical creation (and the Xande, Amon, Phlegethon, etc) are so large.

Since Sophia means "wisdom" then perhaps her special abilities could be more magic-based like summoning meteor and those other magics we encounter Xande et al using.

Otherwise, other than the slash on Sephirot's chest, there hasn't been any noticeable change in the statues, yet.

Why you guys saing now is godess? I mean I couldnt be demon next?

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Why are you guys saying next is the Goddess? I mean, couldn't it be the Demon next?

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I agree, Demon seems to fit better next, then the Goddess. Like a wind up to the big fight: Fiend, Demon, then the Goddess. Seems more climactic to me, anyway.

Yeah, Demon next, I agree. Having the Goddess as last would fit well thematically with the patch cycle considering we're finally slowly getting answers regarding the light/dark meta and Hydaelyn. The rest of those answers won't come in 3.3.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

Why you guys saing now is godess? I mean I couldnt be demon next?

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Because in Final Fantasy VI you fight them in the order Fiend, Goddess, Demon. I'm glad for this personally, because otherwise it would seem way too similar to World of Darkness with CoD at the end.

(and also, since they used Fiend's FFVI concept name, Sephirot, Goddess should end up being called Sophia, and Demon Zurvan)

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Originally Posted by cyborgmermaid

Because in Final Fantasy VI you fight them in the order Fiend, Goddess, Demon. I'm glad for this personally, because otherwise it would seem way too similar to World of Darkness with CoD at the end.

(and also, since they used Fiend's FFVI concept name, Sephirot, Goddess should end up being called Sophia, and Demon Zurvan)

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ohh that was the order? ohh thanks for saing it then.

Was there an order in VI? I thought you could face them in any order at that point?

The very final boss also seems to embody them somewhat, and you go Fiend > Demon > Goddess > Kekfa there.

Sephi isn't done.

My 1,232,402,390 fail clear party joins can attest to that lol

Yeah, I thought you could fight them in any order? The final dungeon wasn't linear in VI, you switched parties at will.

Maybe I'm misremembering though, it's been a while.

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Originally Posted by myahele

We know Sephirot has the ability for extreme growth

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eyyy much to the surprise and desire of catboys everywhere ;)

...I need to get my mind out of the gutter.

I think Zurvan might be saved for 3.4 to complement the finale to Alexander.

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Originally Posted by cyborgmermaid

Because in Final Fantasy VI you fight them in the order Fiend, Goddess, Demon. I'm glad for this personally, because otherwise it would seem way too similar to World of Darkness with CoD at the end.

(and also, since they used Fiend's FFVI concept name, Sephirot, Goddess should end up being called Sophia, and Demon Zurvan)

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Pretty sure you could fight the Triad in any order in Kefka's Tower. Each team just had to reach one and defeat it.

The final Statue of Gods that you fight/climb to engage Kefka is supposedly a representation of the Triad. Apparently, according to the Official Nintendo Strategy Guide, the order of of the tiers is Demon, Goddess and then Fiend. However, visually that seems way off and I doubt that's correct.

I agree with this:

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Originally Posted by Nalien

The very final boss also seems to embody them somewhat, and you go Fiend > Demon > Goddess > Kekfa there.

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But it's hard to say for sure.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

Sephi isn't done.

My 1,232,402,390 fail clear party joins can attest to that lol

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I know you weren't being serious, but being the party pooper I am, I just want to remind you that Sephirot is done. You defeated the real Sephirot in the "hard" mode of the encounter. The "extreme" mode is Allagan technology that manifests an artificial incarnation of Sephirot for "combat simulation".

We'll probably face Sophia last in the Warring Triad story.

I actually went scouring through all of Unukalhai's dialogue to see if he mentions the three in any particular order, but nope. Not once. It's always "Warring Triad" and "eikon" in every mention, with no informal use of their titles until "Fiend" was used in his own quest.

You're clever, SE, catching that before I can even look for it.

The Godess Eikon could also be benevolent but destructive like Ramuh. The aether sucking aspect would make us fight, but she would give us advice or negotiate with us. It could also be she is enemies to the Demon as well, giving way to the final fight.

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Originally Posted by Magis

The Godess Eikon could also be benevolent but destructive like Ramuh. The aether sucking aspect would make us fight, but she would give us advice or negotiate with us. It could also be she is enemies to the Demon as well, giving way to the final fight.

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Nah she would go SICKNESS MUST BE PURGED and blast everyone with Cloudy Heaven/Overcast

I had a discussion with my sister regarding this same topic. Bottom line, we agreed Sophia/Goddess would be the last UNLESS Zurvan/Demon brought with it some meaning full addition to this side story.

All in all I expect the order to be

• Sephirot
• Zurvan
• Sophia
• And last, but not Least, Regula deus Hydrus.

On the other hand, Zurvan would be thematically more appropriate as a contemporary to Alexander, but regardless of Order that fight eill wind up being adjacent to the last part of Alexander in terms of progression anyway.

A tower at the center of the triad and 2 golden wings. That rings Kefka. The question is who will be? The little kid or Regula?

If we do fight Regula again - for the third time - then it's possible he might not be defeated and may, instead, become one of the main antagonists for the next expansion. Though he'd likely be everybody's enemy if he performs a similar stunt to Kefka which seems likely given the heavy references to FF6. Which in itself would be interesting because once again we'd be facing a Garlean that...isn't really aligned with Garlemald as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

A tower at the center of the triad and 2 golden wings. That rings Kefka. The question is who will be? The little kid or Regula?

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It could potentially be Varis too. Or even a completely new character entirely - I recall there being a statement from Gaius' voice actor implying that he had been hired to do some additional voice work for an upcoming antagonist...but I can't find the source. I also don't remember the name of the antagonist but I don't believe the guy has appeared in-game as of yet. Perhaps someone else can elaborate?

If I had to guess, all three of the Triad would be summoned by Meracydians, which we know almost nothing about other than: Tiamat & Bahamut + wow mi'qotes came from here + oh yeah tree people. I am hoping in 3.25 they might sneak in some clues regarding the next Triad (and I like the idea of it being Zurvan for, well, no real reason other than I think of Sophia as very light/holy and hoping the third tier of Alexander will do the same).

However while myahele thinks Sophia's power might've been to bestow magic upon Allagan chimerical creations, I would like to retort with the possibility of using her to give them sentience/intelligence! Hence, things like the Iksalion which have become so advanced to the point that their "origin" isn't even a common question. (Some Eorzeans still get huffed and confused about voidsent and chimeras, but Ixali, who we know are descendants of Allag chimera? When do you ever hear anyone in-game wonder aloud if the beast tribes are chimera? Sure, here and in various out of game places--but I can't think of a single line of ingame text off the top of my head!)

My biggest fear is that we don't get a 3.5 (I believe Yoshida has said that the 3.X series should be shorter than 2.X?) and in cutting that patch we lose things like tying the Triad back into the MSQ and/or fighting Regula. In my ideal world the Triad quests would either run concurrent to the MSQ and meet back up in 3.5 (similar to how 2.5 required you do the Hard mode Primals) or every patch would require the previous Triad clear. Then 3.5 brings us into fighting Regula who, acting without Varis' consent, has attempted to use the Triad's aether to restore his genetic inability to use magic a la Kefka (let's say Varis is off in the Eastern theatre now because there's a more serious rebellion in Orthard than Doma) and we must put him down. Bonus points if this was actually Elidibus' plan the entire time, deceiving both the Scions and Unulhakai in an attempt to destabilize the Garlean Empire in a bid for MORE CHAOS MORE ZODIARK FUEL. We can go ahead and say Zodiark coming into being on a cosmic scale is an okay/necessary thing but on a mortal level it just means the deaths of thousands/millions/etc and we have to come up with a way to balance Light and Dark without actually having to make huge sacrifices because Alphinaud doesn't want to because of Estinien who we either failed to save or actually saved who knows. Also Alisaie shows up on a hoverboard and ends up being a total badass with more to fight for than the "Future of Eorzea!"

Once again I have shown I cannot keep a straight train of thought whatsoever, my apologies.

If we're talking about her theme, let's revisit previous FFs and think.

Each member of the Warring Triad had a unique element and combat style. For Sephirot, he had the most HP while Sophia had the least. Each member also changed their style at 50%. Sephirot specialized in Ice magic, while Sophia specialized in Thunder, however this difference was discarded. What happened for Sephirot was he annulled 1 random element periodically and cast Haste, Reflect, and Image, effectively making him hard to hit physically, and only vulnerable to non-reflective magic, while increasing his attack speed. In XIV, he's given Wood element magic, and his 50% support buffs are replaced with becoming a giant.

On the other hand, Sophia was a huge inspiration for Yunalesca. Both are based on giant heads, and specialize in Zombie magic. More than likely, Sophia's battle will start with her top half which will float (it may even be a reskinned Shiva skeleton to save time), and at the half way point, she will affix to the giant head, and become immobile in the middle of the field. At this point, there will be some mechanic that either involves instant death, or a new zombie status.

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Originally Posted by Magis

The Godess Eikon could also be benevolent but destructive like Ramuh. The aether sucking aspect would make us fight, but she would give us advice or negotiate with us. It could also be she is enemies to the Demon as well, giving way to the final fight.

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I wouldn't be so quick to assume Goddess is benevolent. Ted Woosley originally opted to call Demon Poltergeist (German for Noisy Ghost) because it had the least connotation of evil. The Japanese name of Demon, きしん (Kishin) is a very violent and destructive spirit, but is morally neutral. It is neither good nor evil. Especially since in FFVI Goddess specialized in Death and Zombie magic, she might not be as kind as she looks. She was the major inspiration for Yunalesca's battle in X. Plus Zombies are putrid and impure, and Yunalesca giant head represented this as an unsent. Goddess will likely be similar.

When the goddess is released after the demon, I think she'll be poison themed. If I remember correct in ff x lady yunalessca was based of the goddess and she used like super dark spells so maybe something on those lines

Wonder if they are going to make the Omega weapon absorb the Warring Triad and we get a battle against Omega weapon with the abilities of all three, just like the Ultima weapon.

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Originally Posted by SecretCrowds

Wonder if they are going to make the Omega weapon absorb the Warring Triad and we get a battle against Omega weapon with the abilities of all three, just like the Ultima weapon.

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Or we could actually fight the Proto Ultima Weapon, who flies around Azys Lla during the Hyperconductivity weather pattern.

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Originally Posted by SecretCrowds

Wonder if they are going to make the Omega weapon absorb the Warring Triad and we get a battle against Omega weapon with the abilities of all three, just like the Ultima weapon.

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Would be interesting if the Tower in the center of the Triad statues is the control center/ tower of Omega weapon.

I do wonder where the next entrance for the other Warring Triad will be though? Will it be the same place where we faced Sephirot, although it may have been decimated due to Sephirot's transformation. Or could it be in other locations we've yet discovered? Maybe That tower holds one of the Triad?

Anyways, on the subject of Sophia, I wonder if she'll follow the trend of multi-elemental primals in Heavensward? Despite being thematically a Tree, Sephirot uses Wind, Earth and Water attacks as well.

I thought Sephirot was Earth and Wind only?

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Originally Posted by Cherub

I thought Sephirot was Earth and Wind only?

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In fairness, those were the same elements WHM uses as actual magic besides Light (Note that WHM do not get Water spells, their only water attack is a CD and that The Winged Lion at Amdapor oesn;t use Water Spells)

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

In fairness, those were the same elements WHM uses as actual magic besides Light (Note that WHM do not get Water spells, their only water attack is a CD and that The Winged Lion at Amdapor oesn;t use Water Spells)

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Yes yes, but it was directed towards myahele, for his post above mine, saying that Sephirot is also water aspected and uses attacks which include water. But all his attacks are wind and earth themed, not water themed. (Beside the growth themed attacks, the assumingly non aspected attacks (purple and green aoes in phase 1, the aoe that keeps growing) and sheer physical power)

I was mostly talking about the Ratzon attack that he uses as it seems (to me) that it explodes into water aoe.

http://i.imgur.com/7gK6XwV.png

Then again, it could be blue flames.

I thought that one was non aspected but... it really does look like water eh.
It would also make more sense to me if he'd be aspected to 3, rather than 2 elements. That for one would make more sense with him originating from a tree and trees being connected to WHM/Conjury and the three elements they use.
Also 3 elements as a sign of being superior to a mere primal. Bahamut was considered Eikon at some point(I thinkkkk, correct me if I'm wrong) and for the most part I thought he's non aspected but looking back at the fight you could say he was fire, wind and earth aspected. (Flares, Tempest Wings, Earth Shakers)
So that would fit too...

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Originally Posted by Cherub

I thought that one was non aspected but... it really does look like water eh.
It would also make more sense to me if he'd be aspected to 3, rather than 2 elementals. That for one would make more sense with him originating from a tree and trees being connected to WHM/Conjury and the three elementals they use.
Also 3 elementals as a sign of being superior to a mere primal. Bahamut was considered Eikon at some point(I thinkkkk, correct me if I'm wrong) and for the most part I thought he's non aspected but looking back at the fight you could say he was fire, wind and earth aspected. (Flares, Tornados, Earth Shakers)
So that would fit too...

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What about the dark Divinity. The only element I could make out was Lightning, and that was more due to Namesake, maybe Earth for the petrification attacks.

Bahamut was considered an Elder Primal rather than an eikon, if I'm correct... also, on Sephi being 3-elemental rather than dual as we've seen in HW so far it'd make a lot of sense then if Zurvan used the remaining 3 elements (Fire, Ice and Lightning) while Sophia would end up using both Light and Darkness, even if they didn't use those elements in FF6.

...I dunno, having a Primal/Eikon/Baddie use BOTH Light and Darkness sounds pretty cool and maybe could give us a clue to the whole Hydaelin/Zodiark thing...

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

Bahamut was considered an Elder Primal rather than an eikon, if I'm correct... also, on Sephi being 3-elemental rather than dual as we've seen in HW so far it'd make a lot of sense then if Zurvan used the remaining 3 elements (Fire, Ice and Lightning) while Sophia would end up using both Light and Darkness, even if they didn't use those elements in FF6.

...I dunno, having a Primal/Eikon/Baddie use BOTH Light and Darkness sounds pretty cool and maybe could give us a clue to the whole Hydaelin/Zodiark thing...

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I don't know. I'm thinking "Unaespected" means they can draw from all six at once but none are particularly effecent.

Kinda like the "Jack of all trades, Master of None" paradox.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

What about the dark Divinity. The only element I could make out was Lightning, and that was more due to Namesake, maybe Earth for the petrification attacks.

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You got me there. Guess you don't really have to be aspected to three elementals to be considered eikon or elder primal. Well worth a shot.