Verminion queue lockout

What causes a lockout from queueing from the LoV tournament match? My friend and I have been playing against each other, but he suddenly wasn't able to register for the next match and we can't figure out why. Nor does it specify how long he's locked out for. He can still access the regular duty finder.

Let me guess. You're win trading and he didn't summon any minions against you for a certain period of time, causing the lockout.

<sigh>...this is so depressing to me. Yeah, you're locked out by calling it quits...but honestly, and I normally don't attempt to call out people like this, but if you are indeed win-trading, I find it incredibly pathetic. It's a huge part of why LoVM (and TT) died on release. We're still waiting for SE to actually fix this problem, but for those who want the easy "win", instead of actually playing the game, I just...I can't stand it anymore. What happened to real gaming? Why do these people even play video games? I'm not trying to troll, I really want to know...what's the point in undermining something, and in turn making it unapproachable, when it could be fun? I just don't get it...

We're just trying to get the penguin minion. Not enough people on my server play the tournaments to even fill up the ranking board, you'd probably get in the top 20 with 1 point. So it's not like we're preventing anyone from getting a prize. Plus, if we did actually try, he would beat me in every match. I'm so much slower because I use controller on PS4 and he's on PC. If he doesn't let me win, I'll never get the minion. I can't even get through the AI battles for the Twintania minion.

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Originally Posted by BlatantPyre

if you are indeed win-trading, I find it incredibly pathetic.

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There is no other realistic option on my server. I did win-trading with a FC member for the first few tournaments to get the minion, and placed on the leader board in each of them with only 10 wins.

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Originally Posted by NaliaBrown

I'm so much slower because I use controller on PS4 and he's on PC. If he doesn't let me win, I'll never get the minion. I can't even get through the AI battles for the Twintania minion.

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Now there's something they need to fix. It looks like it could probably be a fun game, but it's virtually unplayable for many of us just by which platform we're on. :( SE did really well at designing the main FFXIV game to work well with console controllers, but then came up with this broken system for the mini-game within it.

I agree that SE really needed/needs to pay due diligence to the unapproachable factor of the PS controls, I can't knock anyone on that, it is definitely a huge part of why win-trading is considered essential. I apologize for my previous statement since you fall into that bracket, Nalia (though I have heard some people prefer the console controls, but they might be crazy). That being said, the majority of win-traders don't have that excuse: they're just lazy, or not willing to work on improving or playing. On top of that, the reason win-trading is all but required at this point is because people do it so extensively in the first place.


Now, I've been going back and forth on blaming the players who do it just 'cause they can and SE for not fixing such a broken system as quickly as possible, but in the end I really have to wonder at these people who are okay with it while it's available. Sure, Nalia's having to deal with horrible controls, that I understand, but what about everyone who doesn't? I'm sorry, I think the word "pathetic" fits here, not to raise anyone's guff, but just because that's what it is...

I actually beat the Tutorials on my controller with no problem. I play every week the Extreme Battle against NPC for the Bonus weekly winning 10/10 every time on my controller without fail. What's the big issue about the controller?

It's a combination of my own lack of skill, the awkward clunky controls, and the fact that the only other person I ever see playing Verminion is my boyfriend. And he's quite good at it, compared to me. He also has a few minions that I don't have, like the Lesser Panda, that help him even more. (I am very unlucky getting minions from dungeons and refuse to pay inflated market board prices for them.)

I don't mind win trading in vermillion, as it was basically dead on arrival and there is no NPC equivalent to play for points.

You literally win trade, or you don't play at all.

Out of the top 8 (there are only 8 on the board) from the last tourney, only 3 had more than a single win.

It's a completely different issue than TT, which you can gain points from the various NPCs around the game to be able to earn MGP if you can't find players to participate.


I still have yet to see anyone ever do chocobo racing as well.

CR and LoV need duty finder options that don't involving sitting in a location you can't even do gates in hoping someone shows up.

I DO have a problem with win-trading (obviously), but your point Hanmer is valid: this system needs to be fixed ASAP, or win-trading will always be all but expected. It's ridiculous when you take into account the dev time that was spent on this content for it to be such a joke upon release, then have the devs seemingly ignore the huge problem of said content pretty much being unapproachable. Once I get into a match with someone (which hasn't happened in a while), I thoroughly enjoy the mechanics of the mini-game itself, I think it's a great little MOBA, I want to get into it so very badly (hence why I'm so adamant about all this), but right now no one can, not honestly.

All that being said...SE has stated that they are looking into bringing CR and LoVM to duty finder status, it sounds like they're working on it for next patch. If they come through, the popularity of both may increase substantially. So, as much as I've been whining, I'm excited. I'm just having trouble keeping my patience until then.

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Originally Posted by BlatantPyre

If they come through, the popularity of both may increase substantially.

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I wouldn't count on it. CR has way too many track grades and 3 variations of each, so you'll likely not get paired anyway unless it's top tier where you'll have a hard time winning anything against rank 50 chocos with 20 stars and full 3 star food plan. And LoVM is simply not fun so people don't like it and don't play it, they've never asked for this content, and DF will not fix it.

Chocobo racing was quite popular when it first came out. Eventually, interest in it waned, and it's rare to see many players there now, but the racing area was quite a busy place for a while. Lords of Verminion, on the other hand, was pretty much dead on arrival. People stopped by the first day or two to see what it was, and hardly anyone's been back to it since. The mini-games there, Out on a Limb and the Finer Miner, seem to be bigger hits than the Gold Saucer's showcase game from 3.1.

Personally, I have had a ton of fun with LoVM when people were playing (which as has been said didn't last long at all, sadly), so I don't know why anyone would say otherwise (unless they simply didn't have the skill required to play the kind of game it is). Trust me, there's plenty of people I've met and heard who want to get into LoVM, so if anyone personally doesn't enjoy the game, thinking everyone is the same way is quite sophomoric and depressingly fanciful. Besides, popularity does not mean everyone and their dog is going to play, but there will be many who will play once the game finally opens up.

There's really no excuse for win-trading. Its cheating, it cuts out everybody that actually wants to play. There ARE people who will play if you start a Linkshell or pf for it. I hope Square fixes this, of course, and I wouldn't mind it if they barred traders from participating.

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Originally Posted by finalmattasy

There's really no excuse for win-trading. Its cheating, it cuts out everybody that actually wants to play.

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It really doesn't.
Stand around in queue and you'll get a win trader before they can get their partner.
Win traders, while not always, are usually the type that aren't quite practiced at the game proper. So your victories come easy.

Sorry Canadane, but I have to disagree with you - win-trading does cut out everyone who actually wants to play, because it creates an unnecessary barrier (dealing with people who don't want to honestly play [they tend to be hostile {yes, I've experienced it}]) that has caused most, if not all people to stop even trying to play, thus reducing the player base, thus making it nigh impossible to play the game at all unless you bring along a friend, which is essentially impossible due to the disenfranchisement of most people towards the mini-game.

By the way, most win-traders who "queued" up while I was waiting (forever...) and realized I was their opponent rather than their intended partner just quit the game. Sure, it gave me points (though not many due to the fact they intentionally have the "loser", who typically has lower rank points, join queue first to "punish" anyone waiting for messing with their exploit), but I would also like to enjoy actually playing the game, not get roped into involuntarily win-trading myself, which is essentially what happens when they quit. They don't care about the penalty, they'll just come back once I've given up on playing, which most people have done at this point permanently...

So, yeah, it does cut out everyone who wants to enjoy the mini-game, being that everyone has given up on it ever being something we can enjoy without picking and scratching for matches. Win-trading has essentially killed LoVM.